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Post by Icegas on Sept 27, 2024 9:23:18 GMT
Thought he had property that he made his money. Why would he need donations? Another example of a right wing grifter. Trump, Farage and this "guy"... Slander. Proof please? |
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Post by aghast on Sept 28, 2024 23:12:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg56zlge8g5oI'm not sure how to react or where to begin with this, but it's interesting. 'Tory leadership contender Kemi Badenoch has said "not all cultures are equally valid" when it comes to deciding who should be allowed into the UK.'
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Post by ltdgas on Sept 29, 2024 7:18:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg56zlge8g5oI'm not sure how to react or where to begin with this, but it's interesting. 'Tory leadership contender Kemi Badenoch has said "not all cultures are equally valid" when it comes to deciding who should be allowed into the UK.' not. "I am struck for example, by the number of recent immigrants to the UK who hate Israel. That sentiment has no place here.” Part of what she said , do you disagree ? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 29, 2024 7:24:32 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg56zlge8g5oI'm not sure how to react or where to begin with this, but it's interesting. 'Tory leadership contender Kemi Badenoch has said "not all cultures are equally valid" when it comes to deciding who should be allowed into the UK.' I'm not sure what she is trying to suggest in your above quote from her.. Do you? She is correct in this part though - "Patriotism isn’t a dirty word".. ..... I forgot that the Tory leadership was still up for the running given I have zero interest in them as now being called any kind of opposition. Their party is not that now,just like the Labour party are not really the governing party. The sad facts are both are our only two options...and that's the scary situation of the political state of the UK today. Both absolutely useless. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 29, 2024 16:11:31 GMT
I think that the next Leader of the Tories will make or break them. And the choice doesn't look good.
If they go any further right, then voters will have a straight choice between them and The Reform Party Ltd, as they will be on the same ground.
And why vote for a tested and failed party that looks after its mates when you can try an unknown quantity that says all the right things to appeal but just as likely will be exactly the same, given they have cancelled their 'contract' with the voters so we don't know where they stand other than on immigration, and the NHS [abolish].
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Post by Icegas on Sept 30, 2024 2:20:01 GMT
Austra have just voted in a far - right party into power.
I personally know nothing about them, so won't pass judgement either way until I have researched them further.
But the genuine question is why are all these right wing, or in some cases like - here in Austra, "far - right" parties getting into power, or coming very close like in France?
Same is why did Brexit happen? ( Which was nothing to do with far -right politics)
And why is Trump so popular ( also, he is miles away from being "far - Right" btw ) but still the question needs to be asked.
See I expressed my opinions many times on here, and other Rovers forums about my political stance over the years.
I honestly dislike the far right,as much as I dislike the radical Left.
But why are the people in the middle, be them on the ..right side, or left side.. now being pushed towards more radical political party's? Or views?
No one represents me, my values or beliefs's in UK politics today.
Closest are Reform, but that's only based on immigration, nothing else.
I can only believe that this is happening around the Europe due to mass immigration,and people having enough.
You can't just force change on societies and not expect there to be a reaction.
The answer to this can't be that there has been a resurgence of the Nazis in European countries to explain this - as that is not true.
The answer is uncontrolled...and forced multi culturalism does not work.
I wish it could..or even that it did., but it doesn't.
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 6:08:22 GMT
Austra have just voted in a far - right party into power. I personally know nothing about them, so won't pass judgement either way until I have researched them further. But the genuine question is why are all these right wing, or in some cases like - here in Austra, "far - right" parties getting into power, or coming very close like in France? Same is why did Brexit happen? ( Which was nothing to do with far -right politics) And why is Trump so popular ( also, he is miles away from being "far - Right" btw ) but still the question needs to be asked. See I expressed my opinions many times on here, and other Rovers forums about my political stance over the years. I honestly dislike the far right,as much as I dislike the radical Left. But why are the people in the middle, be them on the ..right side, or left side.. now being pushed towards more radical political party's? Or views? No one represents me, my values or beliefs's in UK politics today. Closest are Reform, but that's only based on immigration, nothing else. I can only believe that this is happening around the Europe due to mass immigration,and people having enough. You can't just force change on societies and not expect there to be a reaction. The answer to this can't be that there has been a resurgence of the Nazis in European countries to explain this - as that is not true. The answer is uncontrolled...and forced multi culturalism does not work. I wish it could..or even that it did., but it doesn't. I believe it is symptomatic of a wider malaise in society. I think there is a disconnect between people on average incomes and those that have gained, truly gained, from globalisation of the economy and become the owners of the majority of assets. Blaming immigrants is the easiest target and one perpetuated by the asset owners as it deflects from the real issue. They maintain this myth through control of the media and the message you read and hear |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 30, 2024 7:33:53 GMT
A lot of immigration is to our universities with family members joining them. I see that UK universities are hoping we could rejoin the Erasmus scheme. Presumably European students would come alone.
From a Guardian link:
“We really, really regret the fact that we have lost a flow of really good European students into the UK,” said the chief executive of Universities UK, Vivienne Stern. But she said she recognised the “toxic” domestic politics surrounding the prospect of EU citizens returns at scale to education in the UK.
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 9:12:33 GMT
A lot of immigration is to our universities with family members joining them. I see that UK universities are hoping we could rejoin the Erasmus scheme. Presumably European students would come alone. From a Guardian link: “We really, really regret the fact that we have lost a flow of really good European students into the UK,” said the chief executive of Universities UK, Vivienne Stern. But she said she recognised the “toxic” domestic politics surrounding the prospect of EU citizens returns at scale to education in the UK. It wouldn't be as toxic if the Tories had not dismantled the social support structures after 2010 in the name of debt reduction. Which they then proceeded to grow by 80% as a % of GDP by 2019. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 10:22:08 GMT
Talking of disconnect
"Deloitte UK partners received bumper payouts this year after high business confidence led to a robust company performance.
The professional services firm’s revenue hit £2.71bn in the 12 months ending 31 May, up 6.4 per cent on the year before, it said this morning. Consultancy revenues led the way with a rise of 10.5 per cent.
Profit distributable to partners increased by seven per cent to £593m while the average profit earned by each partner in the year was £822,000, a jump of 9.6 per cent."
Meanwhile, there are a 150,000 children in the UK classified as homeless.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 30, 2024 11:33:05 GMT
Austra have just voted in a far - right party into power. I personally know nothing about them, so won't pass judgement either way until I have researched them further. But the genuine question is why are all these right wing, or in some cases like - here in Austra, "far - right" parties getting into power, or coming very close like in France? Same is why did Brexit happen? ( Which was nothing to do with far -right politics) And why is Trump so popular ( also, he is miles away from being "far - Right" btw ) but still the question needs to be asked. See I expressed my opinions many times on here, and other Rovers forums about my political stance over the years. I honestly dislike the far right,as much as I dislike the radical Left. But why are the people in the middle, be them on the ..right side, or left side.. now being pushed towards more radical political party's? Or views? No one represents me, my values or beliefs's in UK politics today. Closest are Reform, but that's only based on immigration, nothing else. I can only believe that this is happening around the Europe due to mass immigration,and people having enough. You can't just force change on societies and not expect there to be a reaction. The answer to this can't be that there has been a resurgence of the Nazis in European countries to explain this - as that is not true. The answer is uncontrolled...and forced multi culturalism does not work. I wish it could..or even that it did., but it doesn't. I believe it is symptomatic of a wider malaise in society. I think there is a disconnect between people on average incomes and those that have gained, truly gained, from globalisation of the economy and become the owners of the majority of assets. Blaming immigrants is the easiest target and one perpetuated by the asset owners as it deflects from the real issue. They maintain this myth through control of the media and the message you read and hear Without doubt there is an element of truth to what you have written. Personally, Im not controlled by the media at all as I've explained on here before, that I don't watch or read any of it, apart from the bullet points of when something major happens like a terrorist attack. However "the myth" that you bring up is not a myth though as It's happening...I see it daily, and millions here in the UK and around Europe do also. I heard online that 1 in every 27 people in the UK has arrived into our country in the last 24 months, and 40% of all the foreign born people living in the UK have arrived here in the past 10 years. So 4 out of 10 have moved here in the past decade! That is a radical change. It's a huge culture change, and its a very noticeable change to our society and this is why my mindset has been changed over the last decade to this subject compared to say 2013. Our last three decades worth of government's have not filtered out the good from the bad of who is coming in, and we have just let any ..Tom...Dick or Harry in our shores, thats not been advantageous to British society. It's created division. We have imported large, and out of control numbers of people to this country that are not culturally compatible to the values of Britain. We have imported low value people, with little skills, that offer us very little and now we are seeing the consequences of this on our systems. This is being repeated all around Europe and people have had enough. People are also fed up with being labeled a racist bigot, for bringing this up. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 11:56:21 GMT
I believe it is symptomatic of a wider malaise in society. I think there is a disconnect between people on average incomes and those that have gained, truly gained, from globalisation of the economy and become the owners of the majority of assets. Blaming immigrants is the easiest target and one perpetuated by the asset owners as it deflects from the real issue. They maintain this myth through control of the media and the message you read and hear Without doubt there is an element of truth to what you have written. Personally, Im not controlled by the media at all as I've explained on here before, that I don't watch or read any of it, apart from the bullet points of when something major happens like a terrorist attack. However "the myth" that you bring up is not a myth though as It's happening...I see it daily, and millions here in the UK and around Europe do also. I heard online that 1 in every 27 people in the UK has arrived into our country in the last 24 months, and 40% of all the foreign born people living in the UK have arrived here in the past 10 years. So 4 out of 10 have moved here in the past decade! That is a radical change. It's a huge culture change, and its a very noticeable change to our society and this is why my mindset has been changed over the last decade to this subject compared to say 2013. Our last three decades worth of government's have not filtered out the good from the bad of who is coming in, and we have just let any ..Tom...Dick or Harry in our shores, thats not been advantageous to British society. It's created division. We have imported large, and out of control numbers of people to this country that are not culturally compatible to the values of Britain. We have imported low value people, with little skills, that offer us very little and now we are seeing the consequences of this on our systems. This is being repeated all around Europe and people have had enough. People are also fed up with being labeled a racist bigot, for bringing this up. "Personally, Im not controlled by the media at all as I've explained on here before, that I don't watch or read any of it, apart from the bullet points of when something major happens like a terrorist attack." Out of interest, where do you get your information from that informs the opinions you express on here? |
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Post by oldie on Sept 30, 2024 13:32:12 GMT
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Post by ltdgas on Oct 1, 2024 7:14:48 GMT
Horrific moment police rescue McDonald's slaves from family-run trafficking ring
Horrific footage shows the moment police rescued victims of a family-run trafficking ring who were forced to work at a McDonald's restaurant.
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London: Police save McDonald's slaves from home
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Newly released footage showed the harrowing moment officers entered the cramped, unheated home where the victims had been living in appalling conditions, left shivering in their beds.
The operation, which went unnoticed for years, involved brothers Ernest and Zdenek Drevenak, along with their accomplices, who exploited vulnerable men from the Czech Republic.
These men were lured to the UK with the promise of a better life but ended up working at a local McDonald’s and a bakery supplying major supermarkets, all while their wages were stolen by their traffickers.
In October 2019, police raided the Drevenaks’ Enfield property with Detective Inspector Melanie Lillywhite telling the BBC: “We knew that the house was housing a lot of victims. We weren’t clear exactly how many we might find.”
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Brothers Ernest and Zdenek Drevenak
The operation involved brothers Ernest and Zdenek Drevenak. (Image: Facebook)
Among the 16 victims, nine were working at the McDonald’s branch in Caxton, Cambridgeshire, while the others were employed by a bread supplier.
Many of the victims were forced to work long hours - often between 70 and 100 per week - for very low pay, with their earnings frequently funnelled into accounts controlled by the Drevenak gang.
The gang not only seized the victims' passports but also instilled fear and intimidation, as a deterrent from attempting an escape.
One of the victims opened up about his horrific experience. He told the BBC he was homeless in the Czech Republic when the gang approached him with the promise of a well-paying job in Britain.
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McDonald's branch in Caxton, Cambridgeshire
The victims ended up working at a local McDonald’s. (Image: Google )
He added: “You can’t undo the damage to my mental health - it will always live with me.
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2024 and we’ve slaves / human trafficking, and yet the commies keep telling us immigration is a Benefit to this country 🙄🙄🙄, like I said before these immigrants are turning this country into a third world s**thole 🙄🙄
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 1, 2024 10:29:45 GMT
Horrific moment police rescue McDonald's slaves from family-run trafficking ring 2024 and we’ve slaves / human trafficking, and yet the commies keep telling us immigration is a Benefit to this country 🙄🙄🙄, like I said before these immigrants are turning this country into a third world s**thole 🙄🙄 I expect you missed it but its not the commies who allowed mass immigration which has rocketed since we left the EU. It's the people you support. Please catch up old chap. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 1, 2024 13:31:19 GMT
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Post by baldrick on Oct 1, 2024 13:45:08 GMT
It's paywalled, but I was able to catch a bit through another link. "She said: “It is that balancing act I think we will find pretty much everywhere around the world, particularly in the developed world. Population growth, if you ignore immigration, is close to zero, in some negative. Productivity growth has been subdued for years. “To drive productivity growth, you need investment to at least change the longer-term trajectory. And you will need immigration. That’s the way economic growth is set up. It’s a really difficult environment. You have an ageing population, so a lot of spend is required. “How you balance this against the backdrop of very little fiscal headroom is a formidable challenge.” " It's a difficult balancing act. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 1, 2024 14:10:00 GMT
It's paywalled, but I was able to catch a bit through another link. "She said: “It is that balancing act I think we will find pretty much everywhere around the world, particularly in the developed world. Population growth, if you ignore immigration, is close to zero, in some negative. Productivity growth has been subdued for years. “To drive productivity growth, you need investment to at least change the longer-term trajectory. And you will need immigration. That’s the way economic growth is set up. It’s a really difficult environment. You have an ageing population, so a lot of spend is required. “How you balance this against the backdrop of very little fiscal headroom is a formidable challenge.” " It's a difficult balancing act. I don't know if this is true, but someone at work last night told me that it was on the news yesterday that there are over 30,000 migrants in over 250 hotels costing 4.2 million a day ! 😡 Pensioners can’t get help with there heating this winter, yet we can pay for mostly fighting aged men to stay in hotels like this who have came here illegally. This generation has gotten things so ass backwards. |
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Post by baldrick on Oct 1, 2024 15:13:21 GMT
It's paywalled, but I was able to catch a bit through another link. "She said: “It is that balancing act I think we will find pretty much everywhere around the world, particularly in the developed world. Population growth, if you ignore immigration, is close to zero, in some negative. Productivity growth has been subdued for years. “To drive productivity growth, you need investment to at least change the longer-term trajectory. And you will need immigration. That’s the way economic growth is set up. It’s a really difficult environment. You have an ageing population, so a lot of spend is required. “How you balance this against the backdrop of very little fiscal headroom is a formidable challenge.” " It's a difficult balancing act. I don't know if this is true, but someone at work last night told me that it was on the news yesterday that there are over 30,000 migrants in over 250 hotels costing 4.2 million a day ! 😡 Pensioners can’t get help with there heating this winter, yet we can pay for mostly fighting aged men to stay in hotels like this who have came here illegally. This generation has gotten things so ass backwards. Don't know about that but possibly. I found this article which I thought interesting: In 2023, the UK had the fifth highest number of people claiming asylum in Europe. With 329,035 applicants, Germany received more than a quarter of all first-time asylum applicants within the EU. Spain had the second highest number (160,460) followed by France (145,095) and Italy (130,565). In 2023, the UK government made initial decisions on 93,303 asylum applications - including people attached to them such as children or other dependents - and granted more than two thirds of them (67%). In the same period, Germany made 217,430 asylum decisions, and granted 62%. France - a country with a similar-sized population to the UK - made 132,695 decisions, and granted 31% of them. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511.amp |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 1, 2024 15:30:19 GMT
It's paywalled, but I was able to catch a bit through another link. "She said: “It is that balancing act I think we will find pretty much everywhere around the world, particularly in the developed world. Population growth, if you ignore immigration, is close to zero, in some negative. Productivity growth has been subdued for years. “To drive productivity growth, you need investment to at least change the longer-term trajectory. And you will need immigration. That’s the way economic growth is set up. It’s a really difficult environment. You have an ageing population, so a lot of spend is required. “How you balance this against the backdrop of very little fiscal headroom is a formidable challenge.” " It's a difficult balancing act. I don't know if this is true, but someone at work last night told me that it was on the news yesterday that there are over 30,000 migrants in over 250 hotels costing 4.2 million a day ! 😡 Pensioners can’t get help with there heating this winter, yet we can pay for mostly fighting aged men to stay in hotels like this who have came here illegally. This generation has gotten things so ass backwards. Perhaps if the previous idiots hadn't hacked back the people checking applications, or had the balls to speak to our EU counterparts [rather than being afraid of Brexit voters] we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Get the applications done, get people out of hotels, get people out of the country who shouldn't be here, and we might save some money!! |
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