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Post by baldrick on Jul 29, 2024 13:53:43 GMT
A bit more information:
A senior judge has issued an arrest warrant for far-right campaigner Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - better known by his alias Tommy Robinson - after learning he has left the country on the eve of a major legal case against him.
Yaxley-Lennon left the UK by a Eurotunnel train on Sunday night, despite having been arrested by Kent Police under counter-terrorism powers.
The 41-year-old had been due in court on Monday for allegedly breaching an order not to repeat lies about a Syrian refugee.
Mr Justice Johnson has ordered the warrant not to be carried out "until early October" to give Yaxley-Lennon time to confirm he would attend the next hearing voluntarily.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 29, 2024 14:27:42 GMT
I don't get people defending this Irish citizen with an Irish Passport who lives in Tenerife, with numerous convictions including for violence and football thuggery, and has spent approx £2million of donors money on living in comfort and declaring himself bankrupt but being unwilling to show the authorities what has happened to the £2million. Occasionally coming back to the UK to encourage people to take this country back, whilst not living in it.
A bit like the MP for Clacton, living in Brussels, occasionally popping over to present on GB News and do his second job of being an MP.
The film was proven in a court of law, where evidence was produced, to contains lies and the defendant, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, fined and told, by the court, not to show the film or repeat the lies. Those defending him saying that in spite of the evidence to the contrary and the decision of a court of law, he is 'telling the truth' and it is truth because he says so in the film. It reminds me of a quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels - 'A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth'
It is argued and agreed by many historians that since 2015/16 that the world has moved into the 'post truth era'. Defined as - Post-truth is a term that refers to the widespread documentation of, and concern about, disputes over public truth claims in the 21st century. The term's academic development refers to the theories and research that explain the specific causes historically, and the effects of the phenomenon. Oxford Dictionaries popularly defines it as "relating to and denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief."
While the term was used in phrases like "post-truth politics" academically and publicly before 2016, in 2016 the term was named Word of the Year by Oxford Dictionaries after the term's proliferation in the election of president Trump in the United States and the Brexit referendum in the United Kingdom; Donald Trump has been characterized as engaging in a "war on truth." Oxford Dictionaries further notes that post-truth was often used as an adjective to signal a distinctive kind of politics.
Some scholars argue that post-truth has similarities with past moral, epistemic, and political debates about relativism, postmodernity, and dishonesty in politics. Others insist that post-truth is specifically concerned with 21st century communication technologies and cultural practices.
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Post by oldie on Jul 29, 2024 14:36:46 GMT
Good post Cheshire
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Post by baselswh on Jul 29, 2024 15:18:49 GMT
Something that seems to of happened,almost 'unnoticed'.
A boat of queue jumping illegals in the Channel,were actually picked up and returned to France.A couple of weeks ago.
I hav'nt heard of any complaints about Maritime Law being broken or the French complaining we returned the illegals .
A sign of actual Anglo French co-operation?
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Post by baldrick on Jul 29, 2024 15:28:31 GMT
Something that seems to of happened,almost 'unnoticed'. A boat of queue jumping illegals in the Channel,were actually picked up and returned to France.A couple of weeks ago. I hav'nt heard of any complaints about Maritime Law being broken or the French complaining we returned the illegals . A sign of actual Anglo French co-operation? You mean my previous comments are happening?
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 29, 2024 15:52:18 GMT
Something that seems to of happened,almost 'unnoticed'. A boat of queue jumping illegals in the Channel,were actually picked up and returned to France.A couple of weeks ago. I hav'nt heard of any complaints about Maritime Law being broken or the French complaining we returned the illegals . A sign of actual Anglo French co-operation? I mentioned it Bas, not sure where. The French asked for the assistance of the UK Coastguard and RNLI and the migrants who were in French waters were returned to France. Also not mentioned on here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe388jy2n3o23 July 2024 Dozens of failed asylum seekers from Vietnam are to be sent back to the country on Wednesday, using resources the last government had earmarked for the Rwanda scheme. The Labour government scrapped the plan, which would have seen some asylum seekers sent to the east African country, within hours of taking power, describing it as a "gimmick" and a waste of money. But the government will now use a plane intended to remove people to Rwanda to send around 55 people to Vietnam instead, Labour sources said. They are being removed under a returns agreement, rather than deported to a third country. It will be the first time a flight has returned failed asylum seekers to the country since 2021, the sources said.
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Post by oldie on Jul 29, 2024 15:55:10 GMT
Something that seems to of happened,almost 'unnoticed'. A boat of queue jumping illegals in the Channel,were actually picked up and returned to France.A couple of weeks ago. I hav'nt heard of any complaints about Maritime Law being broken or the French complaining we returned the illegals . A sign of actual Anglo French co-operation? I mentioned it Bas, not sure where. The French asked for the assistance of the UK Coastguard and RNLI and the migrants who were in French waters were returned to France. Also not mentioned on here - www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpe388jy2n3o23 July 2024 Dozens of failed asylum seekers from Vietnam are to be sent back to the country on Wednesday, using resources the last government had earmarked for the Rwanda scheme. The Labour government scrapped the plan, which would have seen some asylum seekers sent to the east African country, within hours of taking power, describing it as a "gimmick" and a waste of money. But the government will now use a plane intended to remove people to Rwanda to send around 55 people to Vietnam instead, Labour sources said. They are being removed under a returns agreement, rather than deported to a third country. It will be the first time a flight has returned failed asylum seekers to the country since 2021, the sources said. Boom
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Post by baselswh on Jul 29, 2024 16:05:21 GMT
Then let's see all boats/people taken back straight away.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 29, 2024 16:45:25 GMT
Then let's see all boats/people taken back straight away. That can only be done if the boats are in French waters and in consultation with the French which does happen. We cannot overrule maritime law.
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Post by oldie on Jul 29, 2024 16:49:11 GMT
Then let's see all boats/people taken back straight away. That can only be done if the boats are in French waters and in consultation with the French which does happen. We cannot overrule maritime law. Not according to the ultras Cheshire...rule of law? Only if they agree
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Post by Icegas on Jul 29, 2024 23:17:34 GMT
Very interesting conversation about what's going on in the UK today.
I'm not a Talk TV lover, but this is a very balanced piece and is exactly how I feel,and millions others feel about this country.
No one knows what being a racist is anymore.You can't be racist just for wanting to be proud of being from this country, and wanting to defend our culture from mass immigration.
It seems anything the other side of the "extreme woke left" is deemed as "far right" which is ridiculous.
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 29, 2024 23:41:59 GMT
Ok, thanks. I will try to find the time to see the film. Before watching it though, and having now caught up a bit on the case, I do wonder what he was doing getting involved in the first place. He must regret it now I'd have thought; made bankrupt due to the costs, unable to talk about it openly, the refugee awarded compensation etc. You can't really say any good has come of his involvement, it's just stirred up more tension. Not to mention the impact on the kids and school involved. Nice one..👍 Watch it and if you think Tommy is a) lying, or B) a twat or whatever else you feel then fair play ,at least you watched. Judge him on what you see or you research on him, and not just what the Media tells you he is.. That's what I did. Ok so I've watched the film, all one hour 45 minutes of it. I'll need some time to mull it over, but it was made more difficult by him keep referring to himself as a 'journalist'. That's dishonest for a start. I'd also researched a bit further into the events, and it just gets more difficult to know who or what to believe. There's reports out there about the refugee contacting his MP weeks before the event, that he's being bullied. Stuff about the family of the boy accused of the assault; Mum prosecuted for racist behaviour, then suspected of further racial abuse. Brother prisoned for British First rally violence, then football hooliganism. The suspect himself had shared posts from Robinson, Britain First etc prior to the assault. What isn't in the film is Robinsons initial reaction to the event, where he made a claim about Muslim gangs beating up white English kids in that very school. A photo from a 2017 news article on a teenage cancer patient from Surrey was used. Like I said, I'll give it some thought, but the interviews didn't strike me as conclusive of anything really. I've said before that nothing good from his involvement has come from this. He lives in Spain and travels to the UK to tell us what's wrong with the country, then travels back again when he's found to have breached more laws. He's been done for stalking, harassment, assault, fraud etc etc. Probably above all of that I'm left feeling that videos of children shared online need restricting somehow, but I know it's probably too far down the line for that. I agree with what he says about the video being weaponised for political gain, but he's as guilty as anyone else involved of that too. Must have cost a fair few bob to make that too, high production values (except during the supposed smoking gun interviews) and it bothers me how he might be funded, bearing in mind he's supposedly bankrupt. But I will let it sink in for a few days and see how I feel about it then
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Post by baldrick on Jul 29, 2024 23:53:27 GMT
Nice one..👍 Watch it and if you think Tommy is a) lying, or B) a twat or whatever else you feel then fair play ,at least you watched. Judge him on what you see or you research on him, and not just what the Media tells you he is.. That's what I did. Ok so I've watched the film, all one hour 45 minutes of it. I'll need some time to mull it over, but it was made more difficult by him keep referring to himself as a 'journalist'. That's dishonest for a start. I'd also researched a bit further into the events, and it just gets more difficult to know who or what to believe. There's reports out there about the refugee contacting his MP weeks before the event, that he's being bullied. Stuff about the family of the boy accused of the assault; Mum prosecuted for racist behaviour, then suspected of further racial abuse. Brother prisoned for British First rally violence, then football hooliganism. The suspect himself had shared posts from Robinson, Britain First etc prior to the assault. What isn't in the film is Robinsons initial reaction to the event, where he made a claim about Muslim gangs beating up white English kids in that very school. A photo from a 2017 news article on a teenage cancer patient from Surrey was used. Like I said, I'll give it some thought, but the interviews didn't strike me as conclusive of anything really. I've said before that nothing good from his involvement has come from this. He lives in Spain and travels to the UK to tell us what's wrong with the country, then travels back again when he's found to have breached more laws. He's been done for stalking, harassment, assault, fraud etc etc. Probably above all of that I'm left feeling that videos of children shared online need restricting somehow, but I know it's probably too far down the line for that. I agree with what he says about the video being weaponised for political gain, but he's as guilty as anyone else involved of that too. Must have cost a fair few bob to make that too, high production values (except during the supposed smoking gun interviews) and it bothers me how he might be funded, bearing in mind he's supposedly bankrupt. But I will let it sink in for a few days and see how I feel about it then Thank you for that, be interested in your thoughts once you've had chance to digest.
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 0:04:43 GMT
Very interesting conversation about what's going on in the UK today. I'm not a Talk TV lover, but this is a very balanced piece and is exactly how I feel,and millions others feel about this country. No one knows what being a racist is anymore.You can't be racist just for wanting to be proud of being from this country, and wanting to defend our culture from mass immigration. It seems anything the other side of the "extreme woke left" is deemed as "far right" which is ridiculous. Reasonable, although she said "everything is labelled far right if it isn't extreme left", did you add "woke" or did I mishear?
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 6:11:55 GMT
A bit more information: A senior judge has issued an arrest warrant for far-right campaigner Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - better known by his alias Tommy Robinson - after learning he has left the country on the eve of a major legal case against him. Yaxley-Lennon left the UK by a Eurotunnel train on Sunday night, despite having been arrested by Kent Police under counter-terrorism powers. The 41-year-old had been due in court on Monday for allegedly breaching an order not to repeat lies about a Syrian refugee. Mr Justice Johnson has ordered the warrant not to be carried out "until early October" to give Yaxley-Lennon time to confirm he would attend the next hearing voluntarily. He is not far right. You lose any argument there.
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 6:17:36 GMT
I don't get people defending this Irish citizen with an Irish Passport who lives in Tenerife, with numerous convictions including for violence and football thuggery, and has spent approx £2million of donors money on living in comfort and declaring himself bankrupt but being unwilling to show the authorities what has happened to the £2million. Occasionally coming back to the UK to encourage people to take this country back, whilst not living in it. A bit like the MP for Clacton, living in Brussels, occasionally popping over to present on GB News and do his second job of being an MP. The film was proven in a court of law, where evidence was produced, to contains lies and the defendant, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, fined and told, by the court, not to show the film or repeat the lies. Those defending him saying that in spite of the evidence to the contrary and the decision of a court of law, he is 'telling the truth' and it is truth because he says so in the film. It reminds me of a quote attributed to Joseph Goebbels - ' A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth'
It is argued and agreed by many historians that since 2015/16 that the world has moved into the 'post truth era'. Defined as - Post-truth is a term that refers to the widespread documentation of, and concern about, disputes over public truth claims in the 21st century. The term's academic development refers to the theories and research that explain the specific causes historically, and the effects of the phenomenon. Oxford Dictionaries popularly defines it as "relating to and denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief."
While the term was used in phrases like "post-truth politics" academically and publicly before 2016, in 2016 the term was named Word of the Year by Oxford Dictionaries after the term's proliferation in the election of president Trump in the United States and the Brexit referendum in the United Kingdom; Donald Trump has been characterized as engaging in a "war on truth." Oxford Dictionaries further notes that post-truth was often used as an adjective to signal a distinctive kind of politics.
Some scholars argue that post-truth has similarities with past moral, epistemic, and political debates about relativism, postmodernity, and dishonesty in politics. Others insist that post-truth is specifically concerned with 21st century communication technologies and cultural practices.See why do people insist on lying about him. How is he a Irish citizen? Stephen Yaxley Lennon was born in Luton, his father is English and is mother is Irish, he holds two passports Why do people completely lie about this man to fit their narrative.
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 6:20:33 GMT
Very interesting conversation about what's going on in the UK today. I'm not a Talk TV lover, but this is a very balanced piece and is exactly how I feel,and millions others feel about this country. No one knows what being a racist is anymore.You can't be racist just for wanting to be proud of being from this country, and wanting to defend our culture from mass immigration. It seems anything the other side of the "extreme woke left" is deemed as "far right" which is ridiculous. Reasonable, although she said "everything is labelled far right if it isn't extreme left", did you add "woke" or did I mishear? Honesty I can't remember, I think I possibly did as its my opinion that most of the woke agendas today are being forced upon us from the extreme left.
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 6:25:41 GMT
A bit more information: A senior judge has issued an arrest warrant for far-right campaigner Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - better known by his alias Tommy Robinson - after learning he has left the country on the eve of a major legal case against him. Yaxley-Lennon left the UK by a Eurotunnel train on Sunday night, despite having been arrested by Kent Police under counter-terrorism powers. The 41-year-old had been due in court on Monday for allegedly breaching an order not to repeat lies about a Syrian refugee. Mr Justice Johnson has ordered the warrant not to be carried out "until early October" to give Yaxley-Lennon time to confirm he would attend the next hearing voluntarily. He is not far right. You lose any argument there. It was a direct quote from an article, I posted it as it added details of his arrest in Kent and that he'd gone back to Spain.
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Post by baldrick on Jul 30, 2024 6:26:53 GMT
Reasonable, although she said "everything is labelled far right if it isn't extreme left", did you add "woke" or did I mishear? Honesty I can't remember, I think I possibly did as its my opinion that most of the woke agendas today are being forced upon us from the extreme left. Then don't use "" as that indicates a direct quote from the speaker. To those who read your piece rather than listen it would mislead them.
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Post by Icegas on Jul 30, 2024 6:35:17 GMT
Nice one..👍 Watch it and if you think Tommy is a) lying, or B) a twat or whatever else you feel then fair play ,at least you watched. Judge him on what you see or you research on him, and not just what the Media tells you he is.. That's what I did. Ok so I've watched the film, all one hour 45 minutes of it. I'll need some time to mull it over, but it was made more difficult by him keep referring to himself as a 'journalist'. That's dishonest for a start. I'd also researched a bit further into the events, and it just gets more difficult to know who or what to believe. There's reports out there about the refugee contacting his MP weeks before the event, that he's being bullied. Stuff about the family of the boy accused of the assault; Mum prosecuted for racist behaviour, then suspected of further racial abuse. Brother prisoned for British First rally violence, then football hooliganism. The suspect himself had shared posts from Robinson, Britain First etc prior to the assault. What isn't in the film is Robinsons initial reaction to the event, where he made a claim about Muslim gangs beating up white English kids in that very school. A photo from a 2017 news article on a teenage cancer patient from Surrey was used. Like I said, I'll give it some thought, but the interviews didn't strike me as conclusive of anything really. I've said before that nothing good from his involvement has come from this. He lives in Spain and travels to the UK to tell us what's wrong with the country, then travels back again when he's found to have breached more laws. He's been done for stalking, harassment, assault, fraud etc etc. Probably above all of that I'm left feeling that videos of children shared online need restricting somehow, but I know it's probably too far down the line for that. I agree with what he says about the video being weaponised for political gain, but he's as guilty as anyone else involved of that too. Must have cost a fair few bob to make that too, high production values (except during the supposed smoking gun interviews) and it bothers me how he might be funded, bearing in mind he's supposedly bankrupt. But I will let it sink in for a few days and see how I feel about it then Fair play for watching it, I think its fair to say that you have the right to give you opinion freely as you bothered to watch.You may completely disagree with him after a few days, but at least you have made that decision out of your own judgement , rather than out of being biased and ignorant. One thing ,anyone can technically call themselves a journalist.But to represent big media companies of course you would require the qualifications in most cases.
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