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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 10:03:18 GMT
Old stats I found from Gov.uk As at 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentence for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total). ..... Now the population of Muslims in the UK is around 4million,or 6% today in 2024, higher than 2014 in the above report. By 2030 it is thought to be up to 8%, an 2% increase in the next 6 years.. Thats not taking in to consideration of all the off the record illegals coming in,which will only increase under labour.. dramatically btw! The percentage of Muslim criminals convicted of rape in the UK justice system compared to the Muslim population in the UK is huge. That's a problem for now, and tomorrow. No looking away from it. Yeah, it sounds like we need to get 'our own house' in order. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 28, 2024 10:07:09 GMT
Old stats I found from Gov.uk As at 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentence for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total). ..... Now the population of Muslims in the UK is around 4million,or 6% today in 2024, higher than 2014 in the above report. By 2030 it is thought to be up to 8%, an 2% increase in the next 6 years.. Thats not taking in to consideration of all the off the record illegals coming in,which will only increase under labour.. dramatically btw! The percentage of Muslim criminals convicted of rape in the UK justice system compared to the Muslim population in the UK is huge. That's a problem for now, and tomorrow. No looking away from it. Yeah, it sounds like we need to get 'our own house' in order. I agree as that number..all of them, are our problem. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 10:17:40 GMT
I saw that too. It's upsetting how polarised everything is these days, most of the hate is clearly based on ignorance of Islam and quite likely no experience of relationships with people of other beliefs. I work in a City that has around 60 different languages, and it's all fairly harmonious. Probably 50% of my work is spent with Muslim colleagues or clients, I share a desk with a Muslim lady. Almost without exception all of my experiences as an NHS worker have been pleasant when interacting with Muslims, visiting at home, in hospital, community centres etc. In 30 years of NHS work I've been assaulted 4 or 5 times, always white males. The City I work in is most definitely a richer place for its diversity Can I ask which city is this? I want diversity to work,I truely do.Ive had great friends from from all around the world,I was going to marry a Spanish girl until a few years ago so I hate blind racism. But the hope for diversity,and the actual results of multiculturalism being just dumped on this generation are two different things and is why we have the problems we do today. I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I |
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Post by oldie on Jul 28, 2024 10:23:38 GMT
Can I ask which city is this? I want diversity to work,I truely do.Ive had great friends from from all around the world,I was going to marry a Spanish girl until a few years ago so I hate blind racism. But the hope for diversity,and the actual results of multiculturalism being just dumped on this generation are two different things and is why we have the problems we do today. I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I Mirrors my experience also. Well said. And you work in my area of NHS coverage!! |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 10:24:52 GMT
If a police officer was punched in the back of the head and a policewoman had her nose broken in a sustained violent assault, it would be discussed and condemned in very similar terms - do not be ridiculous. The grooming case in Rochdale was as much to do with the fact that the ethnicity of the perpetrators led to the police and other official bodies refusing to take the case seriously, as to do with the ethnicity of the perpetrators itself. If the ethnicity of the perpetrator and victim had been reversed, the whole affair would have been handled very differently by the authorities. Of course they are most commonly white, and this would be expected - because white people are substantially greater in number! |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 28, 2024 10:31:42 GMT
There was an article the other day about a man being sentenced for assaulting a girl and trying to kill her brother. Did that get mentioned on here? 🤔 I saw that too. It's upsetting how polarised everything is these days, most of the hate is clearly based on ignorance of Islam and quite likely no experience of relationships with people of other beliefs. I work in a City that has around 60 different languages, and it's all fairly harmonious. Probably 50% of my work is spent with Muslim colleagues or clients, I share a desk with a Muslim lady. Almost without exception all of my experiences as an NHS worker have been pleasant when interacting with Muslims, visiting at home, in hospital, community centres etc. In 30 years of NHS work I've been assaulted 4 or 5 times, always white males.
The City I work in is most definitely a richer place for its diversity My wife works as a front line medic in and around the Crewe area and North West sometimes being sent into Liverpool or Manchester. There is a high percentage of asylum seekers in hotels where she has had to go. The number that have come from warzones and simply want to work while they wait for clearance is high. Some of them are highly skilled from good backgrounds and could afford to escape. She has had few issues other than on the odd occasion, language barriers or frustration with the system often waiting 2-3 years. She has been attacked quite a number of times. The main culprits are usually white drunks or people smacked off their face on drugs. She gets verbally abused, mostly by white people often self entitled middle class people demanding to be taken to hospital even if they don't need it. She has been escorted on quite a number of times by armed police into drug dens to deal with beaten up drug dealers as a result of turf wars. Nearly all white. Her ironic favourite is going into the homes of people on benefits who verbally abuse her, make demands and tell her 'they' pay her wages! Mostly white. Yes we have a rich and diverse white entitlement culture which needs sorting. Perhaps we can adopt the work ethic of Indian and Pakistani corner shop owners, open all hours. |
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Post by Icegas on Jul 28, 2024 10:34:43 GMT
Can I ask which city is this? I want diversity to work,I truely do.Ive had great friends from from all around the world,I was going to marry a Spanish girl until a few years ago so I hate blind racism. But the hope for diversity,and the actual results of multiculturalism being just dumped on this generation are two different things and is why we have the problems we do today. I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I I have, what makes you think I haven't? I've pointed out on here before that I had a dear Pakistan friend that was a Muslim called Faruk, that sadly got killed in an assination "car crash" while on holiday over there due his brother being a high up politician there at the time. Faruk was a great man,as are his Family.He embraced the UK culture and our laws.He was a Muslim, prayed daily etc, but he also drank and wasn't apart of an Islamic cult. When my father committed suicide in 2009 he helped me a lot. But he also spoke about the bad in the Islamic faith and feared for its future. I don't hate Muslims...I dislike radical Islam and wreckless mass immigration thats changed the dynamics of this country and the West forever by our corrupt politicians and the extreme left. Ive had wonderful experiences with people from all over the world,from all faiths and religions. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 10:44:12 GMT
If a police officer was punched in the back of the head and a policewoman had her nose broken in a sustained violent assault, it would be discussed and condemned in very similar terms - do not be ridiculous. The grooming case in Rochdale was as much to do with the fact that the ethnicity of the perpetrators led to the police and other official bodies refusing to take the case seriously, as to do with the ethnicity of the perpetrators itself. If the ethnicity of the perpetrator and victim had been reversed, the whole affair would have been handled very differently by the authorities. Of course they are most commonly white, and this would be expected - because white people are substantially greater in number! It's not ridiculous to observe that this forum (current affairs at least) only tends to post reports of, comment on and debate, criminal activity by Asians/Muslims/Immigrants. These are usually followed by a comment about what should be done with them. As for cover ups related to systematic abuse, see also Catholicism, The Mormon Church etc |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 10:47:56 GMT
Can I ask which city is this? I want diversity to work,I truely do.Ive had great friends from from all around the world,I was going to marry a Spanish girl until a few years ago so I hate blind racism. But the hope for diversity,and the actual results of multiculturalism being just dumped on this generation are two different things and is why we have the problems we do today. I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I In response to 'icegas', I would ask why so much of our national debate is concerned with just 4 percent of the population. An entirely disproportionate amount of our national debate and focus is on issues and matters that are of absolutely no interest to the other 96 percent. Why do you think this is? The answer is simple - it is because of the collapse of the national identity has resulted in a 'war of all against all', in which competing minority groups pursue their own interests and priorities. This is the deeply unfortunate situation in which we now find ourselves, and this is the actual reality of 'multiculturalism' that many of us experience on a day-to-day basis. 'They dislike terrorism as much as you and I.' So did your acquaintances clearly and unconditionally condemn attacks on Israeli civilians, including the October 7 attacks? And did they also condemn the fact that the attacks were celebrated on British streets? Did they also unconditionally condemn the 9/11 attacks on the US? Going on my own experience, I would be extremely surprised if the answer to all three questions is 'yes'. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 10:50:01 GMT
I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I I have, what makes you think I haven't? I've pointed out on here before that I had a dear Pakistan friend that was a Muslim called Faruk, that sadly got killed in an assination "car crash" while on holiday over there due his brother being a high up politician there at the time. Faruk was a great man,as are his Family.He embraced the UK culture and our laws.He was a Muslim, prayed daily etc, but he also drank and wasn't apart of an Islamic cult. When my father committed suicide in 2009 he helped me a lot. But he also spoke about the bad in the Islamic faith and feared for its future. I don't hate Muslims...I dislike radical Islam and wreckless mass immigration thats changed the dynamics of this country and the West forever by our corrupt politicians and the extreme left. Ive had wonderful experiences with people from all over the world,from all faiths and religions. Sorry to hear about your Father. I'm glad you've had some good experiences too then, we've got differences of opinion on some core issues but discussing reasonably is always a good thing |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
I work in Gloucester, live elsewhere but worked in Bristol for 15 or so years too. It's not perfect of course, nowhere is, but the biggest issues I come across are poverty and ill health. We're all gas here, which is the only reason I contribute to these discussions here instead of other platforms. At least we have that in common, and that's a good starting point. I genuinely wish you'd have had some of my experiences of Muslims and the opportunity to get to be involved in their lives. It really is a different perspective. Decent, genuine and kind; they dislike terrorism as much as you and I In response to 'icegas', I would ask why so much of our national debate is concerned with just 4 percent of the population. An entirely disproportionate amount of our national debate and focus is on issues and matters that are of absolutely no interest to the other 96 percent. Why do you this is? The answer is simple - it is because of the collapse of the national identity has resulted in a 'war of all against all', in which competing minority groups pursue their own interests and priorities. This is the deeply unfortunate situation in which we now find ourselves. 'They dislike terrorism as much as you and I.' So did your acquaintances clearly and unconditionally condemn attacks on Israeli civilians, including the October 7 attacks? And did they also condemn the fact that the attacks were celebrated on British streets? Did they also unconditionally condemn the 9/11 attacks on the US? Going on my own experience, I would be extremely surprised if the answer to all three questions was 'yes'. I won't answer your question directly, the answer is too nuanced/complex to discuss in this format. The discussion would erupt around the definition of terrorism, global politics, long standing historical conflicts etc etc. I'm not going to change your perspective from a few words on here. My perspective is we need to find a way to exist peacefully, globally and locally, not look to divide and fight |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 11:01:06 GMT
I saw that too. It's upsetting how polarised everything is these days, most of the hate is clearly based on ignorance of Islam and quite likely no experience of relationships with people of other beliefs. I work in a City that has around 60 different languages, and it's all fairly harmonious. Probably 50% of my work is spent with Muslim colleagues or clients, I share a desk with a Muslim lady. Almost without exception all of my experiences as an NHS worker have been pleasant when interacting with Muslims, visiting at home, in hospital, community centres etc. In 30 years of NHS work I've been assaulted 4 or 5 times, always white males.
The City I work in is most definitely a richer place for its diversity My wife works as a front line medic in and around the Crewe area and North West sometimes being sent into Liverpool or Manchester. There is a high percentage of asylum seekers in hotels where she has had to go. The number that have come from warzones and simply want to work while they wait for clearance is high. Some of them are highly skilled from good backgrounds and could afford to escape. She has had few issues other than on the odd occasion, language barriers or frustration with the system often waiting 2-3 years. She has been attacked quite a number of times. The main culprits are usually white drunks or people smacked off their face on drugs. She gets verbally abused, mostly by white people often self entitled middle class people demanding to be taken to hospital even if they don't need it. She has been escorted on quite a number of times by armed police into drug dens to deal with beaten up drug dealers as a result of turf wars. Nearly all white. Her ironic favourite is going into the homes of people on benefits who verbally abuse her, make demands and tell her 'they' pay her wages! Mostly white. Yes we have a rich and diverse white entitlement culture which needs sorting. Perhaps we can adopt the work ethic of Indian and Pakistani corner shop owners, open all hours. You're neglecting to mention that this whole affair did not become so blown up because of white people and their hypocrisy. It was blown up by somebody filming a highly edited video (strangely omitting the preceding incident), and by an ambulance-chasing lawyer trying to use the whole affair for personal gain. It was then politicised by so-called BLM protestors who sought to use the incident for political purposes. If you want to talk about 'white entitlement', then at least acknowledge the extent to which racism is pervasive in both communities. In addition, as a white person, I actually find it slightly offensive how the British Muslim community has hitched its wagon onto the BLM train. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 11:10:49 GMT
If a police officer was punched in the back of the head and a policewoman had her nose broken in a sustained violent assault, it would be discussed and condemned in very similar terms - do not be ridiculous. The grooming case in Rochdale was as much to do with the fact that the ethnicity of the perpetrators led to the police and other official bodies refusing to take the case seriously, as to do with the ethnicity of the perpetrators itself. If the ethnicity of the perpetrator and victim had been reversed, the whole affair would have been handled very differently by the authorities. Of course they are most commonly white, and this would be expected - because white people are substantially greater in number! It's not ridiculous to observe that this forum (current affairs at least) only tends to post reports of, comment on and debate, criminal activity by Asians/Muslims/Immigrants. These are usually followed by a comment about what should be done with them. As for cover ups related to systematic abuse, see also Catholicism, The Mormon Church etc This issue became a matter of concern for this forum because the ambulance-chasing lawyer, the family, and protestors chose to make it one. I don't think we would be discussing this, or at least not to the same extent, if they hadn't. The British public regards crimes committed by indigenous people and recent arrivals differently. This isn't particularly shocking for me - if this country has provided you, your parents and your grandparents with the opportunity for a better life, then you should show some degree of respect and gratitude to the society around you. Speaking in non-legal terms, a piece of paper in your hand doesn't change this. To sit in front of a camera and present yourself as a victim after you have just physically assaulted a policewoman and punched her colleague in the back of the head is grotesque, and shows a quite staggering lack of self-awareness and entitlement. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 11:12:12 GMT
In response to 'icegas', I would ask why so much of our national debate is concerned with just 4 percent of the population. An entirely disproportionate amount of our national debate and focus is on issues and matters that are of absolutely no interest to the other 96 percent. Why do you this is? The answer is simple - it is because of the collapse of the national identity has resulted in a 'war of all against all', in which competing minority groups pursue their own interests and priorities. This is the deeply unfortunate situation in which we now find ourselves. 'They dislike terrorism as much as you and I.' So did your acquaintances clearly and unconditionally condemn attacks on Israeli civilians, including the October 7 attacks? And did they also condemn the fact that the attacks were celebrated on British streets? Did they also unconditionally condemn the 9/11 attacks on the US? Going on my own experience, I would be extremely surprised if the answer to all three questions was 'yes'. I won't answer your question directly, the answer is too nuanced/complex to discuss in this format. The discussion would erupt around the definition of terrorism, global politics, long standing historical conflicts etc etc. I'm not going to change your perspective from a few words on here. My perspective is we need to find a way to exist peacefully, globally and locally, not look to divide and fight Happily, you don't need to go into great detail, as 'yes' or 'no' will suffice. |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 11:25:49 GMT
It's not ridiculous to observe that this forum (current affairs at least) only tends to post reports of, comment on and debate, criminal activity by Asians/Muslims/Immigrants. These are usually followed by a comment about what should be done with them. As for cover ups related to systematic abuse, see also Catholicism, The Mormon Church etc This issue became a matter of concern for this forum because the ambulance-chasing lawyer, the family, and protestors chose to make it one. I don't think we would be discussing this, or at least not to the same extent, if they hadn't. The British public regards crimes committed by indigenous people and recent arrivals differently. This isn't particularly shocking for me - if this country has provided you, your parents and your grandparents with the opportunity for a better life, then you should show some degree of respect and gratitude to the society around you. Speaking in non-legal terms, a piece of paper in your hand doesn't change this. To sit in front of a camera and present yourself as a victim after you have just physically assaulted a policewoman and punched her colleague in the back of the head is grotesque, and shows a quite staggering lack of self-awareness and entitlement. Well we agree on some of that then, good. I've said before that I'd have been equally appalled by an Officer delivering retribution to a white man, that should go without saying. The assault on the Officers is of course appalling too, from the 'evidence' I've watched the 2 or 3 men will be looking at custodial sentences. No complaints from me. The difference in the tone of condemnation regarding the ethnicity of the men though seems to be the contentious issue. Both 'sides' have used it for political leverage and it's not going to be helpful for any of us. It's violent assault, followed by an unprofessional act by a firearms officer (at least it's how it appears). The whole event is one of the most unfortunate things that could have happened in these polarised times |
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Post by oldie on Jul 28, 2024 11:26:18 GMT
I won't answer your question directly, the answer is too nuanced/complex to discuss in this format. The discussion would erupt around the definition of terrorism, global politics, long standing historical conflicts etc etc. I'm not going to change your perspective from a few words on here. My perspective is we need to find a way to exist peacefully, globally and locally, not look to divide and fight Happily, you don't need to go into great detail, as 'yes' or 'no' will suffice. I think the use of the adjective "nuanced" gives you an answer to your "black or white" question. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 28, 2024 11:28:16 GMT
This issue became a matter of concern for this forum because the ambulance-chasing lawyer, the family, and protestors chose to make it one. I don't think we would be discussing this, or at least not to the same extent, if they hadn't. The British public regards crimes committed by indigenous people and recent arrivals differently. This isn't particularly shocking for me - if this country has provided you, your parents and your grandparents with the opportunity for a better life, then you should show some degree of respect and gratitude to the society around you. Speaking in non-legal terms, a piece of paper in your hand doesn't change this. To sit in front of a camera and present yourself as a victim after you have just physically assaulted a policewoman and punched her colleague in the back of the head is grotesque, and shows a quite staggering lack of self-awareness and entitlement. Well we agree on some of that then, good. I've said before that I'd have been equally appalled by an Officer delivering retribution to a white man, that should go without saying. The assault on the Officers is of course appalling too, from the 'evidence' I've watched the 2 or 3 men will be looking at custodial sentences. No complaints from me. The difference in the tone of condemnation regarding the ethnicity of the men though seems to be the contentious issue. Both 'sides' have used it for political leverage and it's not going to be helpful for any of us. It's violent assault, followed by an unprofessional act by a firearms officer (at least it's how it appears). The whole event is one of the most unfortunate things that could have happened in these polarised times This, absolutely |
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Post by pop up pirate on Jul 28, 2024 11:33:26 GMT
I won't answer your question directly, the answer is too nuanced/complex to discuss in this format. The discussion would erupt around the definition of terrorism, global politics, long standing historical conflicts etc etc. I'm not going to change your perspective from a few words on here. My perspective is we need to find a way to exist peacefully, globally and locally, not look to divide and fight Happily, you don't need to go into great detail, as 'yes' or 'no' will suffice. A yes or no won't suffice I'm afraid. My role is to be tactful, compassionate and understanding. It's not to illicit highly sensitive opinions from peaceful law abiding people who are trying to contribute positively to this society. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 11:37:00 GMT
Happily, you don't need to go into great detail, as 'yes' or 'no' will suffice. I think the use of the adjective "nuanced" gives you an answer to your "black or white" question. I would hope that there isn't any 'nuance' about if it is acceptable to target, murder and mutilate the bodies of Israeli civilians or if it is acceptable to deliberately crash a plane into a building full of civilians? Similarly, how is openly celebrating the October 7 attacks not supporting or promoting terrorism? |
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Post by rideintothesun on Jul 28, 2024 11:47:24 GMT
This issue became a matter of concern for this forum because the ambulance-chasing lawyer, the family, and protestors chose to make it one. I don't think we would be discussing this, or at least not to the same extent, if they hadn't. The British public regards crimes committed by indigenous people and recent arrivals differently. This isn't particularly shocking for me - if this country has provided you, your parents and your grandparents with the opportunity for a better life, then you should show some degree of respect and gratitude to the society around you. Speaking in non-legal terms, a piece of paper in your hand doesn't change this. To sit in front of a camera and present yourself as a victim after you have just physically assaulted a policewoman and punched her colleague in the back of the head is grotesque, and shows a quite staggering lack of self-awareness and entitlement. Well we agree on some of that then, good. I've said before that I'd have been equally appalled by an Officer delivering retribution to a white man, that should go without saying. The assault on the Officers is of course appalling too, from the 'evidence' I've watched the 2 or 3 men will be looking at custodial sentences. No complaints from me. The difference in the tone of condemnation regarding the ethnicity of the men though seems to be the contentious issue. Both 'sides' have used it for political leverage and it's not going to be helpful for any of us. It's violent assault, followed by an unprofessional act by a firearms officer (at least it's how it appears). The whole event is one of the most unfortunate things that could have happened in these polarised times I'm glad we meet on some, if not all, points. However, I would remind you that this happening at this time is not 'unfortunate'. It is not an isolated incident, and occurs in the aftermath of repeated challenges to state and social authority in the UK, including the ongoing 'hate marches' and the Leeds riot. It is the logical culmination of a sense of victimhood and entitlement that believes it 'trumps' all legal, social and moral considerations and obligations. You cannot co-exist with this kind of mentality - you either destroy it or it destroys you. |
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