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Post by swissgas on Oct 23, 2023 12:36:22 GMT
I think 4.5 million is on the low side. And that’s without the cost of the training ground or back room and medical staff which together will be well over a million. We are probably spending more on our football operation than some of our rivals entire budget. But the way JB operates was well known before he was appointed so it shouldn’t come as a surprise. No discipline either financial or otherwise. Frightening, for those of us that saw the carnage of Flook and Bradshaw and watched the club teetering on the edge of extinction in the early days at Bath these kinds of speculative dealings don’t bode well at all. Thank goodness the JCH idiocy fell through, after all he couldn’t do it for Peterborough in far more favourable circumstances than we have here. ‘Pep’ Barton reminds me of Mark McGhee inasmuch as he doesn’t understand this league nor what is required to stabilise let alone get promoted from it. s**t or bust is no way to run any business but that seems to be what we are witnessing here. Another similarity with Mark McGee is that when the frustrations of managing a club in the lower leagues boils over the two of them react by taking the p*ss out of Rovers. We all know how McGhee did this but I’ve just been reading that JB gave the players time off to go on holiday during the fixture break and Finley was reported as saying how much he enjoyed it and how he’s looking forward to the next one. If this is true, and with Finley being so close to JB, it sounds very much like orchestrated p*ss taking. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2023 13:14:09 GMT
Frightening, for those of us that saw the carnage of Flook and Bradshaw and watched the club teetering on the edge of extinction in the early days at Bath these kinds of speculative dealings don’t bode well at all. Thank goodness the JCH idiocy fell through, after all he couldn’t do it for Peterborough in far more favourable circumstances than we have here. ‘Pep’ Barton reminds me of Mark McGhee inasmuch as he doesn’t understand this league nor what is required to stabilise let alone get promoted from it. s**t or bust is no way to run any business but that seems to be what we are witnessing here. Another similarity with Mark McGee is that when the frustrations of managing a club in the lower leagues boils over the two of them react by taking the p*ss out of Rovers. We all know how McGhee did this but I’ve just been reading that JB gave the players time off to go on holiday during the fixture break and Finley was reported as saying how much he enjoyed it and how he’s looking forward to the next one. If this is true, and with Finley being so close to JB, it sounds very much like orchestrated p*ss taking. How did McGhee take the piss Swiss? Can’t remember much from his time other than he wasn’t very good and signed some absolute duds |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 23, 2023 13:57:36 GMT
Another similarity with Mark McGee is that when the frustrations of managing a club in the lower leagues boils over the two of them react by taking the p*ss out of Rovers. We all know how McGhee did this but I’ve just been reading that JB gave the players time off to go on holiday during the fixture break and Finley was reported as saying how much he enjoyed it and how he’s looking forward to the next one. If this is true, and with Finley being so close to JB, it sounds very much like orchestrated p*ss taking. How did McGhee take the piss Swiss? Can’t remember much from his time other than he wasn’t very good and signed some absolute duds Remember the picture of Nick Higgs staring into McGhee’s eyes as if he was starstruck by a football legend ? I think that set the tone for his tenure and McGhee thought he was better than Rovers so could do whatever he liked such as bringing in suspect players like Riordan, Kenneth and Paterson and letting his mate dupe him with the Baldvinnson fiasco. He fooled us all when after signing Bolger and Parkes he said with such authority “Bristol Rovers will make a lot of money in the future from these young players”. And I think by carrying on with Buckle’s old assistant Shaun North ( now kitman at Portsmouth) he was showing he didn’t want to risk having anyone good in that position who might ever challenge what he was doing. His lack of real commitment to the club was also typified by his living in Brighton and having his car chauffeured around when Rovers were playing away. If you’ve played and managed at a higher level but are forced to drop to the lower leagues then I think Rovers are more attractive than many clubs because of the size of our fan base. But if, once inside the door, you discover the infrastructure is not what you thought it would be and you are not allowed the financial muscle you thought would be available then things can turn sour. After stabilizing Rovers when he first arrived I think McGhee expected more support for what was to be his first full season in charge and when that didn’t materialize he basically sulked and took the attitude “ if that’s the best you can do then stuff it “. Just my opinion  |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Oct 23, 2023 14:26:31 GMT
Not to dissimilar to Wael with Barton then…….
Hadn’t heard about the chauffeuring bit but the signings are the ones I had in mind - Riordan in particular is the one that still makes me shudder
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Post by swissgas on Oct 23, 2023 17:47:33 GMT
Not to dissimilar to Wael with Barton then……. Hadn’t heard about the chauffeuring bit but the signings are the ones I had in mind - Riordan in particular is the one that still makes me shudder Very similar to Wael and Barton isn’t it. It makes me shudder when fans say they think Barton is deliberately building a team that plays a style of football which will enable it to compete in the Championship when it gets there ! There’s no doubting the sincerity of those holding this point of view but to me it’s a sign of the brainwashing power which the manager can exert. Haven’t they looked at the team sheet and seen the number of players in our starting eleven who are either on loan or who are at the end of their careers and have had to drop down from the Championship because they are no longer up to it ? Most of them won’t be here next season whatever happens. As Steptoe says, we are seeing a sh*t or bust attempt to get Rovers promoted this season and prove Barton can manage with no thought given to the consequences for the club if it fails. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 23, 2023 21:17:41 GMT
Frightening, for those of us that saw the carnage of Flook and Bradshaw and watched the club teetering on the edge of extinction in the early days at Bath these kinds of speculative dealings don’t bode well at all. Thank goodness the JCH idiocy fell through, after all he couldn’t do it for Peterborough in far more favourable circumstances than we have here. ‘Pep’ Barton reminds me of Mark McGhee inasmuch as he doesn’t understand this league nor what is required to stabilise let alone get promoted from it. s**t or bust is no way to run any business but that seems to be what we are witnessing here. Another similarity with Mark McGee is that when the frustrations of managing a club in the lower leagues boils over the two of them react by taking the p*ss out of Rovers. We all know how McGhee did this but I’ve just been reading that JB gave the players time off to go on holiday during the fixture break and Finley was reported as saying how much he enjoyed it and how he’s looking forward to the next one. If this is true, and with Finley being so close to JB, it sounds very much like orchestrated p*ss taking. What did you expect him to say "No I hated every second with the family and just wanted to get back on the football pitch?" What he did say was it was good to have a mid season break now as they don't get one over Christmas. It seems a good idea to give the players a weekend off, what's disappointing is they didn't repay the club with a decent performance. |
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Post by droitwichgas on Oct 23, 2023 21:20:06 GMT
Not to dissimilar to Wael with Barton then……. Hadn’t heard about the chauffeuring bit but the signings are the ones I had in mind - Riordan in particular is the one that still makes me shudder Very similar to Wael and Barton isn’t it. It makes me shudder when fans say they think Barton is deliberately building a team that plays a style of football which will enable it to compete in the Championship when it gets there ! There’s no doubting the sincerity of those holding this point of view but to me it’s a sign of the brainwashing power which the manager can exert. Haven’t they looked at the team sheet and seen the number of players in our starting eleven who are either on loan or who are at the end of their careers and have had to drop down from the Championship because they are no longer up to it ? Most of them won’t be here next season whatever happens. As Steptoe says, we are seeing a sh*t or bust attempt to get Rovers promoted this season and prove Barton can manage with no thought given to the consequences for the club if it fails. If it fails then the owners will have to deal with the losses, it's not like NH going for promotion or bust. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 23, 2023 22:01:22 GMT
Not to dissimilar to Wael with Barton then……. Hadn’t heard about the chauffeuring bit but the signings are the ones I had in mind - Riordan in particular is the one that still makes me shudder Very similar to Wael and Barton isn’t it. It makes me shudder when fans say they think Barton is deliberately building a team that plays a style of football which will enable it to compete in the Championship when it gets there ! There’s no doubting the sincerity of those holding this point of view but to me it’s a sign of the brainwashing power which the manager can exert. Haven’t they looked at the team sheet and seen the number of players in our starting eleven who are either on loan or who are at the end of their careers and have had to drop down from the Championship because they are no longer up to it ? Most of them won’t be here next season whatever happens. As Steptoe says, we are seeing a sh*t or bust attempt to get Rovers promoted this season and prove Barton can manage with no thought given to the consequences for the club if it fails. bcfc1982 or bust. Loanees + the elderly and/or injury prone (preferably from the north west). Rovers are now 20-1 to get promoted. Odds courtesy of BETVICTOR. Get in quick. A fool and his money are soon parted. |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 24, 2023 9:49:14 GMT
Another similarity with Mark McGee is that when the frustrations of managing a club in the lower leagues boils over the two of them react by taking the p*ss out of Rovers. We all know how McGhee did this but I’ve just been reading that JB gave the players time off to go on holiday during the fixture break and Finley was reported as saying how much he enjoyed it and how he’s looking forward to the next one. If this is true, and with Finley being so close to JB, it sounds very much like orchestrated p*ss taking. What did you expect him to say "No I hated every second with the family and just wanted to get back on the football pitch?" What he did say was it was good to have a mid season break now as they don't get one over Christmas. It seems a good idea to give the players a weekend off, what's disappointing is they didn't repay the club with a decent performance. I expect something different from a sportsman who is paid a lot of money to play a key role in a business which is failing on all fronts. But never mind there’s another international break coming up in November and the weather should be great for golfing in Marbella. |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 24, 2023 9:54:43 GMT
Very similar to Wael and Barton isn’t it. It makes me shudder when fans say they think Barton is deliberately building a team that plays a style of football which will enable it to compete in the Championship when it gets there ! There’s no doubting the sincerity of those holding this point of view but to me it’s a sign of the brainwashing power which the manager can exert. Haven’t they looked at the team sheet and seen the number of players in our starting eleven who are either on loan or who are at the end of their careers and have had to drop down from the Championship because they are no longer up to it ? Most of them won’t be here next season whatever happens. As Steptoe says, we are seeing a sh*t or bust attempt to get Rovers promoted this season and prove Barton can manage with no thought given to the consequences for the club if it fails. If it fails then the owners will have to deal with the losses, it's not like NH going for promotion or bust. The owners will have to deal with the losses but it’s how they decide to deal with them that matters to us. |
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Post by russiangas on Oct 24, 2023 21:30:06 GMT
If it fails then the owners will have to deal with the losses, it's not like NH going for promotion or bust. The owners will have to deal with the losses but it’s how they decide to deal with them that matters to us. Given we really know absolutely nothing about the new owners god knows what will happen. Be interesting to see if a decent amount of funds are made available in January. I don't see how anyone can call Barton a successful manager for us, seems it's just enough to keep him there, but surely that can't carry on much longer??? Oh yeah we need to be patient though apparently, but do they realise we've been waiting for 30 years already? |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 25, 2023 6:38:40 GMT
The owners will have to deal with the losses but it’s how they decide to deal with them that matters to us. Given we really know absolutely nothing about the new owners god knows what will happen. Be interesting to see if a decent amount of funds are made available in January. I don't see how anyone can call Barton a successful manager for us, seems it's just enough to keep him there, but surely that can't carry on much longer??? Oh yeah we need to be patient though apparently, but do they realise we've been waiting for 30 years already? If there are any funds available I’d suggest using them to bring in a company doctor tasked with devising a business rescue plan. Rovers problems run a lot deeper than being hammered by Burton and scraping a draw with Stevenage. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 25, 2023 8:55:03 GMT
Given we really know absolutely nothing about the new owners god knows what will happen. Be interesting to see if a decent amount of funds are made available in January. I don't see how anyone can call Barton a successful manager for us, seems it's just enough to keep him there, but surely that can't carry on much longer??? Oh yeah we need to be patient though apparently, but do they realise we've been waiting for 30 years already? If there are any funds available I’d suggest using them to bring in a company doctor tasked with devising a business rescue plan. Rovers problems run a lot deeper than being hammered by Burton and scraping a draw with Stevenage. I think it would be very odd if Barton was given yet more money to spend on players in January, as any thoughts of promotion should be long gone by then. Hopefully by 2024 Hussain Al-Saeed will have outlined his strategy for moving BRFC forward. Because since the take-over... supporters have been given next to nothing to go on. Almost 3 months in, and all Gasheads have is one wishy washy interview with Hussain & Wael. |
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Post by swissgas on Oct 25, 2023 10:16:41 GMT
If there are any funds available I’d suggest using them to bring in a company doctor tasked with devising a business rescue plan. Rovers problems run a lot deeper than being hammered by Burton and scraping a draw with Stevenage. I think it would be very odd if Barton was given yet more money to spend on players in January, as any thoughts of promotion should be long gone by then. Hopefully by 2024 Hussain Al-Saeed will have outlined his strategy for moving BRFC forward. Because since the take-over... supporters have been given next to nothing to go on. Almost 3 months in, and all Gasheads have is one wishy washy interview with Hussain & Wael. You’ve told us you are something of a connoisseur of betting odds and the calculation of risk epping so you’ll have noticed the subject of Barton’s ppg is now becoming popular. Even if we make an exception to his first half season, which no other club or business would do, his League 1 record according to Chewbacca is 1.17 points which over 46 games would put Rovers at 17th place looking at the last three seasons. I tried to bring this up earlier in the year but was told it was being negative and he needed more time. It may sound condescending to say so but one of the secrets of success is to be able to see trends before others do and to take appropriate action to exploit this information. I believe the achievements of Brighton & Brentford are mainly down to their owners ability to use scientific techniques in every aspects of the clubs management to spot trends and act accordingly so that the considerable financial resources they invest have the most positive impact. They minimize the potential downside and maximize the potential upside. Rovers don’t do this so over the past seven years we’ve continued with the “ luck & chemistry” approach albeit with much larger sums of money involved. And because of the large sums of money which have been thrown around without rhyme or reason we have managed the incredible achievement of actually maximizing our potential downside and minimizing our potential upside. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 25, 2023 15:39:29 GMT
I think it would be very odd if Barton was given yet more money to spend on players in January, as any thoughts of promotion should be long gone by then. Hopefully by 2024 Hussain Al-Saeed will have outlined his strategy for moving BRFC forward. Because since the take-over... supporters have been given next to nothing to go on. Almost 3 months in, and all Gasheads have is one wishy washy interview with Hussain & Wael. You’ve told us you are something of a connoisseur of betting odds and the calculation of risk epping so you’ll have noticed the subject of Barton’s ppg is now becoming popular. Even if we make an exception to his first half season, which no other club or business would do, his League 1 record according to Chewbacca is 1.17 points which over 46 games would put Rovers at 17th place looking at the last three seasons. I tried to bring this up earlier in the year but was told it was being negative and he needed more time. It may sound condescending to say so but one of the secrets of success is to be able to see trends before others do and to take appropriate action to exploit this information. I believe the achievements of Brighton & Brentford are mainly down to their owners ability to use scientific techniques in every aspects of the clubs management to spot trends and act accordingly so that the considerable financial resources they invest have the most positive impact. They minimize the potential downside and maximize the potential upside. Rovers don’t do this so over the past seven years we’ve continued with the “ luck & chemistry” approach albeit with much larger sums of money involved. And because of the large sums of money which have been thrown around without rhyme or reason we have managed the incredible achievement of actually maximizing our potential downside and minimizing our potential upside. Statistics and bookies odds... decent data interrogation may give you an edge on the latter PPG was discussed back in February. An update required. League one stats under Barton: 20/21 18 games, 11 points 20/23 46 games, 53 points 23/24 13 games, 16 points Therefore a total of 77 games, 80 points = 1.04 PPG Or 48 points a season if you prefer. A total almost certain to see BRFC relegated. See Thread "10 year relegation stats from League 1". Therefore Barton's record in League 1 is mediocre at best. Relegation threatening at worst. Based on a decent sample size. Quod Erat Demonstrandum (If I have any of the maths / stats wrong, then I'm sure someone will let me know). |
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Post by trymer on Oct 27, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
17th. More drama with the new temporary stand. Fruit Market stadium to join list of other stadium projects that never happened. Barton to go. 3 predictions correct so far.... |
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Post by bluetornados on Mar 21, 2024 17:35:19 GMT
Supercomputer predicts where the likes of Bristol Rovers, Bolton and Derby will finish in League One..by Daniel Hargraves.i2-prod.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article9180827.ece/ALTERNATES/s1176b/0_JS326523061.jpgThe finish line is in clear sight which, for many Gasheads, is probably a relief with Rovers' inconsistency prolonging into the latter stages of the campaign which has ultimately held them back from a serious push for a top six finish. Contrastingly, sat in 13th on 50 points and 15 points clear of the relegation zone, Matt Taylor's side's spot in next year's League One seems all but secured. A clear improvement on last term's 17th place finish seems the bare minimum requirement from every supporter and, according to OLBG's new supercomputer, that's where Rovers are headed. Of course, it is worth making the point that there are never any guarantees with these models but the supercomputer has tipped the Gas to finish in 14th on 60 points, meaning that they're predicted to take 10 points from their remaining fixtures which are Port Vale, Cheltenham Town and Wigan Athletic away and Shrewsbury Town, Bolton Wanderers, Reading, Cambridge United and Peterborough United at home. That would make this season their best league finish since finishing 14th on points per game in the curtailed 2019/20 season. They finished 15th the year prior. In terms of what is still realistically achievable in way of league position for Taylor's men with the margin between them and the top six a hefty 13 points, the top 10 is still a possibility with 10th place Leyton Orient eight points ahead of Rovers with a game in hand while the Gas are level on points with 11th place Wigan Athletic and 12th place Wycombe Wanderers. The supercomputer hasn't predicted who will be victorious in the play-offs but, alongside the Rams, Barnsley, Peterborough and in-form Lincoln have been backed to make up the rest of the top six. Meanwhile, at the bottom end of the table it's good news for Rovers' West Country rivals Cheltenham Town who have been backed to secure survival by just one point at the expense of Cambridge United who have endured a torrid start to life under Garry Monk with a 6-0 defeat away to Lincoln and a 4-0 loss at Reading following a 1-1 home draw against Northampton. Alongside the U's, Fleetwood Town, Port Vale and Carlisle United are all expected to join them in League Two next season with the trio all currently in the bottom four. Interestingly, Rovers still have Port Vale, Cheltenham and Cambridge left to play this season as well as Bolton and Peterborough and could therefore have a significant say on how the top and bottom ends of the table actually end up looking. But, again, there are of course no guarantees. OLBG supercomputer predicted final League One table in full..1) Portsmouth: 95pts, GD: 36 2) Bolton Wanderers: 91pts, GD: 35 3) Derby County: 88pts, GD: 39 4) Barnsley: 82 pts, GD: 23 5) Peterborough United: 81 pts, GD: 27 6) Lincoln City: 77pts, GD: 27 7) Oxford United: 75 pts, GD: 12 8) Stevenage: 73 pts, GD: 13 9) Leyton Orient: 72 pts, GD: 5 10) Blackpool: 69 pts, GD: 13 11) Wigan Athletic: 62 pts, GD: 6 12) Wycombe Wanderers: 62 pts, GD: 3 13) Northampton Town: 60 pts, GD: -8 14) Bristol Rovers: 60 pts, GD: -9 15) Charlton Athletic: 53 pts, GD: -1 16) Exeter City: 51 pts, GD: -23 17) Reading: 50 pts, GD: -2 18) Burton Albion: 50 pts, GD: -17 19) Shrewsbury Town: 47 pts, GD: -33 20) Cheltenham Town: 45 pts, GD: -24 21) Cambridge United: 44 pts, GD: -28 22) Fleetwood Town: 43 pts, GD: -22 23) Port Vale: 43 pts, GD: -28 24) Carlisle United: 24 pts, GD: -44
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 31, 2024 9:52:36 GMT
Predictions as follows: Swiss 1st (Update available due to perceived sarcasm) Basel 5th Bluetornadoes 6th Richmace 6th Bamber Gashead 7th o2o2bo2ba 10th Warehamgas 11th Laughinggas 11th Cheltgas 12th (Suggested top half, edit available chelt_gas ) LIS 12th Oldie 12th Mrs V Smeg 12th Delsy 13th Taiwan 14th JeffNZ 15th Cheshire 15th KP 15th Foran for England 16th Trymer 17th Epping 17th Cabbage Patch Blues 18th Rowdenhill 25th. (Yes, I know. But this means that 22nd, 23rd or 24th would grasp victory). A predicted overall average finishing position of 12.3, or 12th, if you prefer. Current position 17th (though with a game in hand over those behemoths of League 1 Exeter, Shrewsbury, Port Vale and Orient). Current position 14th. Trajectory downwards. I would conclude Swiss (he was being silly), Basel (his ban might finish soon), Bluetornadoes, RichMace, and Bamber Gashead are out of the running. Cabbage Patch Blues looks to be the favourite. Just ahead of Trymer and errr that other one. |
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Post by rideintothesun on Mar 31, 2024 17:11:44 GMT
Not to dissimilar to Wael with B***** then……. Hadn’t heard about the chauffeuring bit but the signings are the ones I had in mind - Riordan in particular is the one that still makes me shudder Then Lord only knows what Gary Kenneth will make you do. Didn't quite a few of the Scottish signings allegedly have an alcohol problem (more than usual)? I remember McGhee saying that he wasn't proud to be managing a club in L2 and that he would have to consider an offer from a higher league if one came in. I didn't find this particularly offensive, as he had previously managed championship clubs on the edge of getting promoted to the PL. We'll however forgive him this, as he was goodness and light personified compared to the odious little p*ick Buckle. |
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Post by JeffNZ on Apr 14, 2024 23:27:04 GMT
So... with three games left. These are the punters still in the game (IMO): Swiss 1st
Basel 5th
Bluetornadoes 6th
richmace 6th
Bamber Gashead 7th
o2o2bo2ba 10thwarehamgas 11th laughinggas 11th chelt_gas 12th LIS 12th oldie 12th Mrs V Smeg 12th Delsy 13th Taiwan 14th JeffNZ 15th Cheshire 15th KP 15th Foran for England 16th trymer 17th Epping 17th Cabbage Patch Blues 18throwdenhill 25thLooks like the realists will win the day. |
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