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Post by The Concept on Jul 28, 2023 15:20:40 GMT
Having only got 6 subscribers to the new service (all from gaschatters) I've decided to go free to hot air again. Is now the time to be proactive and seek a compromise on the South Stand project instead of getting embroiled in a Sainsburys style confrontational situation which could end up being disastrous for Rovers ? To sit down with Arena Solutions and the BCC planners and try to come up with a workable solution to the problem we are facing. A revised lower profile structure along similar sight lines to the previous South/South West stands which will not impact on our neighbours, will still have room for a concourse type area to service spectators and which by stretching to the whole width of the pitch will allow a small increase over the previous capacity from say 1400 to 2000. I would be very surprised if we didn't get planning permission - unless you've heard otherwise? The main concern to me is when we get the green light between 02/08/2023 and 24/08/2023, and how soon after it will be ready. Yesterday I saw that Barrow have installed 2 new stands that look the same as in our plans. It appears they were up in under 2 weeks. I'll try to dig out some details... |
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Post by The Concept on Jul 28, 2023 15:34:03 GMT
Hopefully this link works. To the Barrow AFC Instagram site, with photos to click through of 2 new stands they've put up either side of the original main stand. Each side is similar to the other, but not completely identical. Looks the same as we plan to put up. I read somewhere else last night that the constructions were previously used at the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games. http://instagram.com/p/Cut2JipsSUo |
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Post by The Concept on Jul 28, 2023 15:53:29 GMT
This thread 'Expansion', on the Barrow AFC Forum, talks about the new stands: www.barrowafc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32198&start=75p.6 ... onwards you start to get pictures of the build. 31/05/2023 they have diggers on site doing the groundwork. p.7 ... then new retaining walls go up by 15/06/2023 and start concreting the base. p.8 ... 26/06/2023 - "response letters to the council from "Highways" & the "Local Lead Flood Authority" have recommended the Refusal of our new temp. grandstands." p.9 ... 29/06/2023 - stands start to be erected, with first photo. p.10, p.11, p.14, p.19, Shows the gradual build, and parts on the ground ready to be used (looks similar to a photo of the sections ready at The Mem). p.20 ... 06/07/2023 - Photo of both new stands up either side of the original main stand. Therefore, once the groundworks had been completed, it took 8 days to put the stands up. If they are the same construction as ours will be then we should expect the same time-frame. |
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Post by swissgas on Jul 28, 2023 16:06:11 GMT
Having only got 6 subscribers to the new service (all from gaschatters) I've decided to go free to hot air again. Is now the time to be proactive and seek a compromise on the South Stand project instead of getting embroiled in a Sainsburys style confrontational situation which could end up being disastrous for Rovers ? To sit down with Arena Solutions and the BCC planners and try to come up with a workable solution to the problem we are facing. A revised lower profile structure along similar sight lines to the previous South/South West stands which will not impact on our neighbours, will still have room for a concourse type area to service spectators and which by stretching to the whole width of the pitch will allow a small increase over the previous capacity from say 1400 to 2000. I would be very surprised if we didn't get planning permission - unless you've heard otherwise? The main concern to me is when we get the green light between 02/08/2023 and 24/08/2023, and how soon after it will be ready. Yesterday I saw that Barrow have installed 2 new stands that look the same as in our plans. It appears they were up in under 2 weeks. I'll try to dig out some details... Thanks for highlighting the Barrow development and a quick google search shows that their planning application was for the installation of two new temporary covered grandstands. Also, looking at the pictures, there are no neighbours being affected by these new stands. The application made by Rovers is for the replacement of the current South & South West stands and the design and access statement says the plan is to provide a new structure with a traditional/permanent aesthetic thus moving away from the use of temporary demountable structures in this area of the stadium. I think if we were replacing a temporary structure with a more permanent one of a similar profile and with no increase in capacity then an application would sail through. But what we are attempting is something quite different with a much more imposing structure that will definitely impact on neighbours and with a 20% increase in overall stadium capacity which will have safety and transportation repercussions. To rely on the fact that 15 years ago an application for a bigger structure with a much higher capacity was approved by the planners seems risky to say the least. I've got no inside information about whether or not planning permission will be granted but think it's fair to say that with the recent activity on the BCC planning portal there is now an organized group opposed to the project in it's current guise and that we have a fight on our hands. The question is (as it was with Sainsburys) whether it is in Rovers best interests to fight or to seek a compromise ? |
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Post by The Concept on Jul 28, 2023 16:14:10 GMT
Reading on and the stands are much smaller than ours: 552 one side and 371 the other. Plus although the stands were up they were still doing some work around up to 11/07/2023. Interesting... p.29 it talks about the planning portal still having the recommendations for refusal up, and then a copy of a letter from a Barrow Director on headed paper, which incudes the comments about them previously being used at the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games. www.barrowafc.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=32198&start=420p.33 ... 27/07/2023 - it finally appears the planning objections have been resolved. So looking at it again, the build was probably 29/06/2023 - 11/07/2023. Providing all the groundwork has been done, our construction should be around 2 weeks (if it is indeed the same type of construction), and then however long it takes to get a safety certificate stamped. |
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Post by swissgas on Jul 28, 2023 16:38:54 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that this type of structure can be put up very quickly. The design and access statement says "in order to achieve the best balance between time, cost and quality . . . it was decided to adopt a hybrid approach for the design and build.This involves the use of traditional foundations and a typical steel roof structure but incorporates a modified version of the Arena modular grandstand system meaning that valuable detailed component design time is reduced considerably and installation time on site is a fraction of that associated with the common or garden steel and pre-cast concrete seating structures."
The bigger question is whether planning permission will be granted and a safety certificate issued without a prolonged fight.
When you see a problem coming do you hide and hope it goes away or do you put your mind to work and find a solution before it hits you ?
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Post by basel on Jul 28, 2023 18:07:33 GMT
Once PP has been given,the new South Stand can go up as quickly as the Waltzer ride at the travelling mop fair.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jul 28, 2023 20:29:04 GMT
 I have found a stand we can borrow for the Barnsley game. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jul 29, 2023 0:50:45 GMT
I would have thought that obtaining PP before removing the old structure would be a given. Blimey, we do like to take our chances don’t we, if PP drags on due to increasing objections, a really big problem looms.
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Post by swissgas on Jul 29, 2023 15:48:54 GMT
 I couldn't resist Bas Amusement park riders said they were left traumatized and looking for answers after a ride malfunctioned and seemingly refused to stop.
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Post by basel on Jul 29, 2023 16:37:27 GMT
I couldn't resist Bas Amusement park riders said they were left traumatized and looking for answers after a ride malfunctioned and seemingly refused to stop. Well to carry on the metaphor Swiss,they got the equivalent of 2 games for the price of one.Charge em double! Talking of which,I see refs are to try and add on more extra time this season.Taking into account when the ball goes out of play,stopping the clock at the very point of a foul ( I think),anyway that sort of thing. So when Shrewsbury visit the Mem,bring your sandwiches for a late finish. |
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Post by bondigas on Jul 29, 2023 20:46:05 GMT
So Bas, forget Shrewsbury Town visiting, how high do you think the netting the club will be forced to errect behind the South Stand will be,20 meters ? How many ball boys will be needed.The two muppets have excelled themselves with this cock up and deserve everything that's coming their way,they have hacked off the council, local politicians and residents, can you imagine the fan reaction if Watola had done the same and ignored pp. He wouldn't be as arrogant and stupid as the bright sparks behind this disaster.
People believe this will be sorted by September, rock on Bas !
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 29, 2023 22:31:00 GMT
watched a vlog on YT earlier of todays game, and in the short passage that was there, the netting[blue] appeared to be approx 8 feet tall and the ball vanished around 5 times over it, not sure if the ball boys are still at the front door of whoever's garden the balls ended up in asking "can we have our ball back please" ?....just waiting for the songs to come from the away support
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Post by basel on Jul 30, 2023 7:44:51 GMT
So Bas, forget Shrewsbury Town visiting, how high do you think the netting the club will be forced to errect behind the South Stand will be,20 meters ? How many ball boys will be needed.The two muppets have excelled themselves with this cock up and deserve everything that's coming their way,they have hacked off the council, local politicians and residents, can you imagine the fan reaction if Watola had done the same and ignored pp. He wouldn't be as arrogant and stupid as the bright sparks behind this disaster. People believe this will be sorted by September, rock on Bas ! Much the same as the 'Tent Stand' I imagine. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 30, 2023 8:18:11 GMT
I would be very surprised if we didn't get planning permission - unless you've heard otherwise? I've got no inside information about whether or not planning permission will be granted but think it's fair to say that with the recent activity on the BCC planning portal there is now an organized group opposed to the project in it's current guise and that we have a fight on our hands. The question is (as it was with Sainsburys) whether it is in Rovers best interests to fight or to seek a compromise ? Swiss Have you forgotten Horfield ROSE ?We have had organised groups against Rovers planning before, and we also have a very good record with approvals from BCC. And comparison with Sainsbury is a bit far fetched. They had a track record of winning legal battles and some of the best lawyers in the land. That's why people were so animated when Higgs went up against them. A local action group will have nowhere near the money or experience nor the legal wit / grounds to stand on in my humble opinion. |
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Post by laughinggas on Jul 30, 2023 9:09:00 GMT
So Bas, forget Shrewsbury Town visiting, how high do you think the netting the club will be forced to errect behind the South Stand will be,20 meters ? How many ball boys will be needed.The two muppets have excelled themselves with this cock up and deserve everything that's coming their way,they have hacked off the council, local politicians and residents, can you imagine the fan reaction if Watola had done the same and ignored pp. He wouldn't be as arrogant and stupid as the bright sparks behind this disaster. People believe this will be sorted by September, rock on Bas ! Given this season all leagues allow "rolling balls", or whatever it is called, then this is a non issue. There again this may have been an attempt at humour. |
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Post by laughinggas on Jul 30, 2023 9:10:17 GMT
Thought there would be more comments about the moving of the pitch and possible impact on season tickets and boxes.
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Post by trymer on Jul 30, 2023 10:16:03 GMT
I cant help remembering what happened the last time Rovers lost a South stand during the close season.
Do the league rules stipulate a certain number of seats ? or an amount of seats for away supporters ?
A local action group could muddy the waters and cause delay, would it be possible to swap the home game with Barnsley to the away fixture if necessary ? if Barnsley agreed of course.
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Post by basel on Jul 30, 2023 12:01:46 GMT
A 'Northsidegas' on the other forum says the foundation work will be checked Wednesday ,if it is acceptable to the rules ,then building the stand will begin immediately.That won't take long ( think waltzer,travelling mop fair,nuts & bolts ).
The electric stuff takes longer.
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Post by Angas on Jul 30, 2023 12:03:43 GMT
35.3 Facilities for visiting supporters
35.3.1 Each Club must make provision for at least 2,000 visiting supporters at every home match or such number as represents 10% of the Club’s certified capacity, if less than 2,000. The League may, on the prior written application of a Club, suspend this Regulation or reduce the figure either for a particular League Match or for a period of time. Each Club shall, subject to any dispensations granted by the Board, make provision for at least 200 of the visiting supporters (of which not less than 100 must be seats) to be accommodated under cover. Any Club which fails to meet the requirement of 200 visiting supporters being accommodated under cover and which does not have a dispensation granted by the Board shall have such amounts as the Board shall determine (in its absolute discretion) withheld from that Club’s central distributions from the Pool Account until such time as the Club can meet the requirement.
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I couldn't resist Bas
