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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 28, 2023 7:09:29 GMT
I assure you it is not a tactic to speed things up. The greens are amazed at the support for the application and putting a spook in our wheel which is part of the process to ensure further delay and scrutiny by a large committee. Each local council has its own established protocols for how their planning committee operates. This could be on a geographical basis or with a single planning committee covering their whole area. Smaller or less controversial planning applications are often determined under delegated powers and can be signed off at an officer level. Planning committee is generally used to determine larger and/or more sensitive planning applications. There are several ways that an application could go to committee. This normally includes if the local councillor/ward member requests that the application is heard at committee. Larger or more complex applications and the number of objections received, can also trigger the need for the proposal to be considered at committee. Planning committees often meet monthly and agendas and timetables should be available on the council’s website. Whilst the number of people that can speak at planning committee is often limited, there is normally the opportunity for the applicant and an objector(s) to be present. This is often for a limited slot (typically 3-5 minutes) and there is generally no opportunity for questions. The planning committee will then discuss the application before making a recommendation and determining the proposal. I have taken Emma Edward’s to task on Twitter pressing her on some of her reasons for sending it to a committee. Some of her objections are, quite frankly, laughable and amount to nothing more than nimby, nosey neighbour syndrome. She sites major breaches in HS, which included not enclosing the site, which has only one major entry point which is from Filton avenue as well as not securing plant machinery and them being on show. Some of the additional supporting documents she says is missing are not applicable to a football stand and the public consultation she said is missing is only required should the council decides it needs one once the PA has been given. She isn’t being helpful at all, quite the opposite in fact and I’m not sure how a local ward councillor who’s chosen speciality for occupation is a therapist and yoga teacher is any more qualified to move the application forward than BNPP. All in all it is the GP being utter lady gardens. All I will say in her defence is she a definite upgrade Radice. Seriously though and also given the previous we have had with them , plus other resident groups then surely someone should have seen this coming and redoubled the efforts to get things as close to perfect as possible BEFORE they started their very predictable efforts to stop anything that moves the club forward. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 28, 2023 8:22:53 GMT
Make of it what you will... On balance I'd probably agree with harrybuckle that this is a delaying tactic. Sounds like there wasn't enough consultation with local politicians and local residents regarding the planned South Stand. (Let alone understanding the lengthy delays inevitable in the planning process). If Cllr Edwards is speaking to BRFC and is supportive of the development (in theory), probably better to try and build bridges with these people than name-calling and blaming. A point that the club should have learned IF it had any idea of the clubs history when dealing with things like this. Was TG here when we went through the clusterxxxx with Sainsbury’s? Serious question btw as I have no idea. I seriously doubt it though as I can’t see Nick Higgs being a guy who would hire someone such as him. This is one area, of many, where having people around who do have knowledge of that history and had learned from it. In my view much of this was hugely avoidable and it even seems like we, as a club, have encouraged an us or them mentality instead of trying to build bridges and to get locals onside. I am , very much aware, it’s is much easier to comment after the fact but, surely, much is just common sense, no ? Avoiding confrontation should have been a priority from day one. Many will question my sincerity in what I will say next but the person I feel.for the most in this is Wael. As swissgas has laboured, he puts his trust in others around him and, in this case he has been let down and very badly. I imagine he must have times where he thinks what the hell did I get myself into here, who could blame him. Just by some fag packet numbers, he is close to FORTY MILLIONS out of pocket. For someone like Lansdown, that is hobby money. For WAQ part of that was family inheritance. It really was time his trusted group never let him down and got this right. |
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Post by The Concept on Aug 28, 2023 8:41:13 GMT
Am I being a bit thick? (No laughing at the back). I thought Rovers were waiting for planning permission to be given? Has it been, 1. Granted, no problems. 2. Rovers have been led to believe it will be granted, no problems. 3. F*ck it, we'll just build it and see what happens. Problems. From T Gorringe in cider message, it's not clear. Perhaps it's like Cheddar Valley. It seems like 3 to me. 1. Nope. 2. Perhaps, they may have some idea how it will go, but they would have had to canvas all the councillors involved to have some certainty. The talking I've heard, so no ITK and purely speculation, is that it will be cheaper to start building now. That contractor fees are guaranteed at the moment and any delays might force the build cost up. This plus the fact that the build time post planning permission is granted will be greatly reduced and we can start using the stand, and making money, that much sooner. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 28, 2023 8:48:02 GMT
"...Apart from being a ridiculous way to run a business it’s simply not fair to put Tom under this level of stress." Kind words, Swiss, but under his tenure as CEO it hasn't bothered him one iota to put some of the ex staff that were with club employees for years through similar. But, I digress. As you were.... Absolutely nailed it o2. What’s good for the Goose is good for the gander. Far too kind but , I am sure meant as we both view it |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 28, 2023 9:26:12 GMT
Am I being a bit thick? (No laughing at the back). I thought Rovers were waiting for planning permission to be given? Has it been, 1. Granted, no problems. 2. Rovers have been led to believe it will be granted, no problems. 3. F*ck it, we'll just build it and see what happens. Problems. From T Gorringe in cider message, it's not clear. Perhaps it's like Cheddar Valley. It seems like 3 to me. 1. Nope. 2. Perhaps, they may have some idea how it will go, but they would have had to canvas all the councillors involved to have some certainty. The talking I've heard, so no ITK and purely speculation, is that it will be cheaper to start building now. That contractor fees are guaranteed at the moment and any delays might force the build cost up. This plus the fact that the build time post planning permission is granted will be greatly reduced and we can start using the stand, and making money, that much sooner. I get called out for being negative about the Club. But seriously - if BRFC are going ahead without planning permission - then they are riding roughshod over the whole planning process - pissing off all parties involved. This is surely foolish, at very best. When swissgas said: "By thoughtlessly provoking a completely unnecessary confrontation with local residents, politicians and the BCC planning department we may have done more damage to our long term prospects than could ever be imagined". I thought that was over the top and melodramatic. Now I don't. What a mess. Hey, I might be wrong. The South Stand could be up and running in a month or so and no harm done. We shall see. #wingandaprayer |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 28, 2023 9:46:00 GMT
It seems like 3 to me. 1. Nope. 2. Perhaps, they may have some idea how it will go, but they would have had to canvas all the councillors involved to have some certainty. The talking I've heard, so no ITK and purely speculation, is that it will be cheaper to start building now. That contractor fees are guaranteed at the moment and any delays might force the build cost up. This plus the fact that the build time post planning permission is granted will be greatly reduced and we can start using the stand, and making money, that much sooner. I get called out for being negative about the Club. But seriously - if BRFC are going ahead without planning permission - then they are riding roughshod over the whole planning process - pissing off all parties involved. This is surely foolish, at very best. When swissgas said: "By thoughtlessly provoking a completely unnecessary confrontation with local residents, politicians and the BCC planning department we may have done more damage to our long term prospects than could ever be imagined". I thought that was over the top and melodramatic. Now I don't. What a mess. Hey, I might be wrong. The South Stand could be up and running in a month or so and no harm done. We shall see. #wingandaprayer #TheProfessionalRovers. To paraphrase a song by Sheryl Crow “ the more things change, the more they stay the same “. Maybe time for TG to read Huxley or Mailer. May just change his doors on perception as he has certainly exhausted his executioners song I’ll get me coat 🧥 |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 28, 2023 10:17:29 GMT
It seems like 3 to me. 1. Nope. 2. Perhaps, they may have some idea how it will go, but they would have had to canvas all the councillors involved to have some certainty. The talking I've heard, so no ITK and purely speculation, is that it will be cheaper to start building now. That contractor fees are guaranteed at the moment and any delays might force the build cost up. This plus the fact that the build time post planning permission is granted will be greatly reduced and we can start using the stand, and making money, that much sooner. I get called out for being negative about the Club. But seriously - if BRFC are going ahead without planning permission - then they are riding roughshod over the whole planning process - pissing off all parties involved. This is surely foolish, at very best. When swissgas said: "By thoughtlessly provoking a completely unnecessary confrontation with local residents, politicians and the BCC planning department we may have done more damage to our long term prospects than could ever be imagined". I thought that was over the top and melodramatic. Now I don't. What a mess. Hey, I might be wrong. The South Stand could be up and running in a month or so and no harm done. We shall see. #wingandaprayer I think the club are just going for it if we are to believe what Tom has posted in last Saturday’s Match Day Programme. Have probably weighed up the costs of waiting/possibility of a legal battle and the delayed cost for the build and thought, let’s build. Having been shocked personally by the scale of this so say temporary stand, I think the biggest issue will be getting the Stand signed off by Health & Safety as fit for the purpose, I do hope we have not paid up front and that we only pay after everything is signed off…ummmm. |
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Post by bondigas on Aug 28, 2023 10:34:18 GMT
I can't see the Kuwaities allowing the club to continue to be run as it is, they surely will appoint their own management team that they can rely on, after all its their money now keeping the club going. To many mistakes are being made by nothing else but inexperience, that inexperience is costing money, even the last two years of year end accounts have been wrongly signed off and filed.
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Post by trymer on Aug 28, 2023 15:36:08 GMT
Anyone remember the 'temporary' flyover down by St Mary Redcliffe ? that was there for 25 years ?
I have to say from the pictures of the new stand framework it will be bigger than I expected.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 28, 2023 15:49:29 GMT
Anyone remember the 'temporary' flyover down by St Mary Redcliffe ? that was there for 25 years ? I have to say from the pictures of the new stand framework it will be bigger than I expected. Sure do, passed it every day on the way to work, was like driving for real on a Scalextric Track. When the South West Stand is finally built it will be very impressive imo, it’s double the height I thought it would be. |
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Post by toteend3 on Aug 28, 2023 22:28:26 GMT
Anyone remember the 'temporary' flyover down by St Mary Redcliffe ? that was there for 25 years ? I have to say from the pictures of the new stand framework it will be bigger than I expected. Sure do, passed it every day on the way to work, was like driving for real on a Scalextric Track. When the South West Stand is finally built it will be very impressive imo, it’s double the height I thought it would be. And me, although we are only getting half a Guinness - Begs the question why not a pint? |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 29, 2023 8:38:30 GMT
T. Gorringe: "The process for the stand remains on going and although the timelines for a conclusion remains largely out of our hands, we are doing all we can to conclude things as soon as possible".
or: "We're going ahead and building without planning consent, and submitting a retrospective application. It will be a doddle".
And it might. And it might not.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 29, 2023 10:53:19 GMT
Speaking to someone who is actively involved in the disabled supporters club at the game on saturday and he mentioned a couple of interesting things regarding this. That planning officers have visited the ground a couple of occasions and advised what was needed for a speedy approval, which the club adhered to. As for the local councillor, well all these meetings she is meant to have been having with the club have never happened at all, not because the club wont meet with her, but because the club has requested meetings with her, but she has never returned the phone call.
I have asked her on X for supposed dates and times of these meetings and conveniently she hasnt replied.
No doubt there has been an awful balls up on lots of fronts with this, including an utter naievty on the part of the board that this would sail through without opposition or heavy discussion, but there are lots of people not playing with a straight bat.
Its like a game of "would I lie to you?"
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Post by rufustfirefly on Aug 29, 2023 11:56:20 GMT
Maybe Bob Mortimer could asked to explain the finer details of the South Stand proceedings - it would be more plausible than whats been issued to date!!
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 29, 2023 12:18:48 GMT
T. Gorringe: "The process for the stand remains on going and although the timelines for a conclusion remains largely out of our hands, we are doing all we can to conclude things as soon as possible". or: "We're going ahead and building without planning consent, and submitting a retrospective application. It will be a doddle". And it might. And it might not. The same piece, Tom informs holes were dug for this that and the other, but if you see the photo of the partially erect South Stand you can see the ‘holes’ that Tom is describing, they are huge, 4 or 5 in total and fenced off to prevent people falling in, they run parallel to the pitch and are not ‘holes’ but ‘Groundworks’ for the main supports. If these are not the ‘holes’ that Tom describes, it’s a mystery what they are!. |
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 29, 2023 12:29:11 GMT
Speaking to someone who is actively involved in the disabled supporters club at the game on saturday and he mentioned a couple of interesting things regarding this. That planning officers have visited the ground a couple of occasions and advised what was needed for a speedy approval, which the club adhered to. As for the local councillor, well all these meetings she is meant to have been having with the club have never happened at all, not because the club wont meet with her, but because the club has requested meetings with her, but she has never returned the phone call. I have asked her on X for supposed dates and times of these meetings and conveniently she hasnt replied. No doubt there has been an awful balls up on lots of fronts with this, including an utter naievty on the part of the board that this would sail through without opposition or heavy discussion, but there are lots of people not playing with a straight bat. Its like a game of "would I lie to you?" OK - sort of positive news ITB. But as this has been 'called in' then isn't this now outside of the Bristol CC Planners remit? This is now stuck with Councillors. Have they given BRFC a collective nod to start building as they think they can push it through? Or is Tom Gorringe just praying? The BristolLive article states it is a "a relatively modest stand". It is bigger than most supporters had thought it would be... As for the greens local Councillor who allegedly isn't responding - keep questioning her. The truth will out. Bon chance. |
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Post by simon1883 on Aug 29, 2023 13:28:11 GMT
Should the Fruit Market not bear fruit... then I guess going back to square one and redeveloping the Memorial would become an option. (Despite repeatedly being told that that staying in Horfiled was not an option). The South Stand could be the first part of that redevelopment. A welcome addition. Just in a typical Rovers type stylee - the timing of the planning application looks a bit odd. Because if that had gone in earlier, then Rovers wouldn't run the risk of starting the new season with a limited capacity. Personally i am positive this is stage one of that redevelopment Ian. I cannot see someone with Wael’s credentials taking out a loan to just waste that money. Even he has limits, i am sure When we first moved to the memorial ground is it true we asked to see of the planning could be changed for the, then under construction West Stand? So that it ran the length of the pitch |
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Post by keygas on Aug 29, 2023 13:42:30 GMT
Personally i am positive this is stage one of that redevelopment Ian. I cannot see someone with Wael’s credentials taking out a loan to just waste that money. Even he has limits, i am sure When we first moved to the memorial ground is it true we asked to see of the planning could be changed for the, then under construction West Stand? So that it ran the length of the pitch Not too sure about that, but do remember being told the dimensions of the new stand couldn’t be any greater than the structure that was being dismantled. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 29, 2023 14:06:40 GMT
Speaking to someone who is actively involved in the disabled supporters club at the game on saturday and he mentioned a couple of interesting things regarding this. That planning officers have visited the ground a couple of occasions and advised what was needed for a speedy approval, which the club adhered to. As for the local councillor, well all these meetings she is meant to have been having with the club have never happened at all, not because the club wont meet with her, but because the club has requested meetings with her, but she has never returned the phone call. I have asked her on X for supposed dates and times of these meetings and conveniently she hasnt replied. No doubt there has been an awful balls up on lots of fronts with this, including an utter naievty on the part of the board that this would sail through without opposition or heavy discussion, but there are lots of people not playing with a straight bat. Its like a game of "would I lie to you?" OK - sort of positive news ITB. But as this has been 'called in' then isn't this now outside of the Bristol CC Planners remit? This is now stuck with Councillors. Have they given BRFC a collective nod to start building as they think they can push it through? Or is Tom Gorringe just praying? The BristolLive article states it is a "a relatively modest stand". It is bigger than most supporters had thought it would be... As for the greens local Councillor who allegedly isn't responding - keep questioning her. The truth will out. Bon chance. I don’t think anyone has given any form of nod that they would stand by officially. I mean, if it didn’t get the nod and the command was to pull it down then the club would want to point a finger somewhere, wouldn’t they? I’d say they are going on a strong gut feeling given on what they were initially told that would guarantee approval and because they haven’t broken away from that framework, they are taking a bit of gamble. The councillor has gone from answering lots of questions to a wall of silence except for her minion Mr Danack who has taken to calling rovers fans dicks on gaschat. He also has no idea what he is talking about. |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 29, 2023 19:38:29 GMT
Talking of new stands,Luton playing at home tonight and I see all those greenhouses down the whole of one side of the pitch have all gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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