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Post by oldie on Aug 18, 2024 9:11:01 GMT
Is he the 100% shareholder in the company that he uses to bill for his services? If so he has full control of the cash flow and dividend distribution I suspect it's semantics, trying to soften the headlines. 100% that's what it is. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 13:22:07 GMT
It is a mystery to many including political scientists as to why poor so called 'working class people' vote for people like Johnson, Rees Mogg, Farage, Tice, and others who have been shafting them for centuries and do not give a toss about them. Bizarre! Just as they are happy for a billionaire who lives in subsidised palaces to escape £700million IHT and will reap £millions of benefits from the UK building windfarms on land he 'owns' by privilege of birth. For years it amazed me that working class people voted for obvious BS merchants like Dennis Healey, a painter once told me that Tony Blair was 'a good working class bloke' gradually many working class people seem to have realised that Labour doesnt represent them and that people like Emily Thornberry loathe the working class,and that Sir Keir does "not give a toss about them". Maybe Labour was started to represent the working class but that is no longer true,the politicians are furthering their own careers and the activists look like a rabble of lost people and nutjobs. The MPs expenses scandal shone a light on the type of people who are MPs, the aftermath of the Brexit vote showed their contempt for democracy, this should be remembered in the dark years ahead. I agree with the principal behind your comments and the Conservatives over the last 14 years took expense claiming and mates support to a new level, bird houses, heating for stables, jobs for donors, Lordships for Russians, etc. Interested to know however what proof you have for 'Sir Keir does "not give a toss about them". |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 18, 2024 13:23:59 GMT
Man forced to make statement about earnings panics after realising how bad it makes him look..... and starts to backtrack. Bit like his changing views on the NHS. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 9:04:59 GMT
For years it amazed me that working class people voted for obvious BS merchants like Dennis Healey, a painter once told me that Tony Blair was 'a good working class bloke' gradually many working class people seem to have realised that Labour doesnt represent them and that people like Emily Thornberry loathe the working class,and that Sir Keir does "not give a toss about them". Maybe Labour was started to represent the working class but that is no longer true,the politicians are furthering their own careers and the activists look like a rabble of lost people and nutjobs. The MPs expenses scandal shone a light on the type of people who are MPs, the aftermath of the Brexit vote showed their contempt for democracy, this should be remembered in the dark years ahead. I agree with the principal behind your comments and the Conservatives over the last 14 years took expense claiming and mates support to a new level, bird houses, heating for stables, jobs for donors, Lordships for Russians, etc. Interested to know however what proof you have for 'Sir Keir does "not give a toss about them".Cheshire, you are aware that more Labour MP's were sent to prison over the expenses scandal than Tories. Jobs for donors? Haven't you been watching things in the last couple of weeks? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 9:22:50 GMT
Man forced to make statement about earnings panics after realising how bad it makes him look..... and starts to backtrack. Bit like his changing views on the NHS. Nope. It's the BBC who are now backtracking as they now admit the 1m a year salary is indeed false. They took the amount he received for three months work and then extrapolated that over 12 months. Tsk, I can't believe some people who fall for these internet rumours. Isn't that the sort of thing extreme right wingers do 😂😂😂 In the meantime, Farage is paid for his work by a private company. The BBC, who are taxpayer funded, pay Lineker 2m a year and even paid the nonce Edwards half a million even when they knew he was a nonce! Who would have thought that the BBC were responsible for spreading false information. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 19, 2024 10:03:09 GMT
Man forced to make statement about earnings panics after realising how bad it makes him look..... and starts to backtrack. Bit like his changing views on the NHS. Nope. It's the BBC who are now backtracking as they now admit the 1m a year salary is indeed false. They took the amount he received for three months work and then extrapolated that over 12 months. Tsk, I can't believe some people who fall for these internet rumours. Isn't that the sort of thing extreme right wingers do 😂😂😂 In the meantime, Farage is paid for his work by a private company. The BBC, who are taxpayer funded, pay Lineker 2m a year and even paid the nonce Edwards half a million even when they knew he was a nonce! Who would have thought that the BBC were responsible for spreading false information. Haha! The liberal Lefty wokers,obsessed with Farage and scared of Reform. 😄 |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 10:08:58 GMT
Nope. It's the BBC who are now backtracking as they now admit the 1m a year salary is indeed false. They took the amount he received for three months work and then extrapolated that over 12 months. Tsk, I can't believe some people who fall for these internet rumours. Isn't that the sort of thing extreme right wingers do 😂😂😂 In the meantime, Farage is paid for his work by a private company. The BBC, who are taxpayer funded, pay Lineker 2m a year and even paid the nonce Edwards half a million even when they knew he was a nonce! Who would have thought that the BBC were responsible for spreading false information. Haha! The liberal Lefty wokers,obsessed with Farage and scared of Reform. 😄 You continually trying to make woke sound as an insult is sad Bas. I actually take being called woke as a compliment as its actual origin and use means I actually give a sh!t about my fellow man and see myself as part of the human race, caring about the world and those in it. Unlike some! I have no need to be scared of Reform, their National Front style policies and their hypocrisy is being exposed. The great Richard Tice, promoter of Brexit, stuffs his money into Jersey to avoid tax. But you keep thinking they love the UK and its poor working class  |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 19, 2024 10:16:13 GMT
Haha! The liberal Lefty wokers,obsessed with Farage and scared of Reform. 😄 You continually trying to make woke sound as an insult is sad Bas. I actually take being called woke as a compliment as its actual origin and use means I actually give a sh!t about my fellow man and see myself as part of the human race, caring about the world and those in it. Unlike some! I have no need to be scared of Reform, there National Front style policies and their hypocrisy is being exposed. The great Richard Tice, promoter of Brexit, stuffs his money into Jersey to avoid tax. But you keep thinking they love the UK and its poor working class :-) Good for you Chesh. I think you out of touch,the 80s long gone. Why so concerned about how much money Farage earns? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 10:27:15 GMT
Haha! The liberal Lefty wokers,obsessed with Farage and scared of Reform. 😄 You continually trying to make woke sound as an insult is sad Bas. I actually take being called woke as a compliment as its actual origin and use means I actually give a sh!t about my fellow man and see myself as part of the human race, caring about the world and those in it. Unlike some! I have no need to be scared of Reform, their National Front style policies and their hypocrisy is being exposed. The great Richard Tice, promoter of Brexit, stuffs his money into Jersey to avoid tax. But you keep thinking they love the UK and its poor working class To be perfectly honest, if I had a large amount of money/earnings I would also be looking to reduce my taxes. Tax Avoidance is legal. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 10:55:20 GMT
Man forced to make statement about earnings panics after realising how bad it makes him look..... and starts to backtrack. Bit like his changing views on the NHS. Nope. It's the BBC who are now backtracking as they now admit the 1m a year salary is indeed false. They took the amount he received for three months work and then extrapolated that over 12 months. Tsk, I can't believe some people who fall for these internet rumours. Isn't that the sort of thing extreme right wingers do 😂😂😂 In the meantime, Farage is paid for his work by a private company. The BBC, who are taxpayer funded, pay Lineker 2m a year and even paid the nonce Edwards half a million even when they knew he was a nonce! Who would have thought that the BBC were responsible for spreading false information. Which bills for his services and of which he is the 100% shareholder? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 10:56:47 GMT
You continually trying to make woke sound as an insult is sad Bas. I actually take being called woke as a compliment as its actual origin and use means I actually give a sh!t about my fellow man and see myself as part of the human race, caring about the world and those in it. Unlike some! I have no need to be scared of Reform, their National Front style policies and their hypocrisy is being exposed. The great Richard Tice, promoter of Brexit, stuffs his money into Jersey to avoid tax. But you keep thinking they love the UK and its poor working class To be perfectly honest, if I had a large amount of money/earnings I would also be looking to reduce my taxes. Tax Avoidance is legal. Of course. But you wouldn't be lecturing others would you, as a private citizen |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 11:22:49 GMT
You continually trying to make woke sound as an insult is sad Bas. I actually take being called woke as a compliment as its actual origin and use means I actually give a sh!t about my fellow man and see myself as part of the human race, caring about the world and those in it. Unlike some! I have no need to be scared of Reform, their National Front style policies and their hypocrisy is being exposed. The great Richard Tice, promoter of Brexit, stuffs his money into Jersey to avoid tax. But you keep thinking they love the UK and its poor working class To be perfectly honest, if I had a large amount of money/earnings I would also be looking to reduce my taxes. Tax Avoidance is legal. So you are happy for your UK taxes to go up because those who lauded Brexit and having faith in the UK can afford to send their money abroad. So who is going to pay for the NHS and other services or do you think we should all pay for our own and go private? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 11:31:12 GMT
To be perfectly honest, if I had a large amount of money/earnings I would also be looking to reduce my taxes. Tax Avoidance is legal. So you are happy for your UK taxes to go up because those who lauded Brexit and having faith in the UK can afford to send their money abroad. So who is going to pay for the NHS and other services or do you think we should all pay for our own and go private? A question that is never answered |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 11:44:29 GMT
To be perfectly honest, if I had a large amount of money/earnings I would also be looking to reduce my taxes. Tax Avoidance is legal. So you are happy for your UK taxes to go up because those who lauded Brexit and having faith in the UK can afford to send their money abroad. So who is going to pay for the NHS and other services or do you think we should all pay for our own and go private? Even if you go Private you still have to pay for the NHS! And yes, if I had the money I would do everything I can to reduce my tax bill. It's the politicians who make the laws. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 11:51:42 GMT
So you are happy for your UK taxes to go up because those who lauded Brexit and having faith in the UK can afford to send their money abroad. So who is going to pay for the NHS and other services or do you think we should all pay for our own and go private? A question that is never answered Well Oldie. You have mentioned on here that you have a good private pension. When you contribute to a Private Pension scheme you are indulging in Tax Avoidance. Also, do you know where your Pension Company invest? Cheshire, you said you worked for a Bank? I'll bet my bottom dollar that that Bank indulges in every form of Tax Avoidance it can. Pleased step down from that moral high ground. |
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Post by oldie on Aug 19, 2024 12:43:46 GMT
A question that is never answered Well Oldie. You have mentioned on here that you have a good private pension. When you contribute to a Private Pension scheme you are indulging in Tax Avoidance. Also, do you know where your Pension Company invest? Cheshire, you said you worked for a Bank? I'll bet my bottom dollar that that Bank indulges in every form of Tax Avoidance it can. Pleased step down from that moral high ground. Well, I didn't take the tax relief, I had that exact value redirected to the pension fund. I was not avoiding tax, I was adhering to the tax regulations at the time. And yes, I knew where the funds were invested, we set up the Pension Scheme with REA Brothers as our advisers and each eligible stakeholder had their investments predicated upon their risk profile (common practice) and for a few of us we could be more specific. But I accept your general point, most pension holders do not track their investments nor pension provider performance. Ill informed and lazy, people just expect their pensions to "just be there" |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:07:18 GMT
A question that is never answered Well Oldie. You have mentioned on here that you have a good private pension. When you contribute to a Private Pension scheme you are indulging in Tax Avoidance. Also, do you know where your Pension Company invest? Cheshire, you said you worked for a Bank? I'll bet my bottom dollar that that Bank indulges in every form of Tax Avoidance it can. Pleased step down from that moral high ground. Moral ground Nobby, you are the one that would happily pay as little tax as possible if he could. I have never been nor sought to be in any tax avoidance system as I believe we should all pay our fair amount into the tax system to support our country and those who need support. And although contributions to pensions are tax free, tax is paid when the pensions are drawn, aside from the tax free element. I have not drawn my full tax free allowance either as unlike you I believe we should all pay a fair share. How very woke of me, as Bas would say. If we all did as you wish to do then the state could no longer exist and the poor would die as we would have no money to support anyone, no health system, no justice system, no police....etc I am sure that the banks I have worked for have all at one time or another practiced tax avoidance. That doesn't make it right but they still paid a significant amount into the UK tax system and supported companies who paid tax into the system, whereas you would get away with anything you could, so please don't talk about your moral ground buddy. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 13:26:02 GMT
Well Oldie. You have mentioned on here that you have a good private pension. When you contribute to a Private Pension scheme you are indulging in Tax Avoidance. Also, do you know where your Pension Company invest? Cheshire, you said you worked for a Bank? I'll bet my bottom dollar that that Bank indulges in every form of Tax Avoidance it can. Pleased step down from that moral high ground. Moral ground Nobby, you are the one that would happily pay as little tax as possible if he could. I have never been nor sought to be in any tax avoidance system as I believe we should all pay our fair amount into the tax system to support our country and those who need support. And although contributions to pensions are tax free, tax is paid when the pensions are drawn, aside from the tax free element. I have not drawn my full tax free allowance either as unlike you I believe we should all pay a fair share. How very woke of me, as Bas would say. If we all did as you wish to do then the state could no longer exist and the poor would die as we would have no money to support anyone, no health system, no justice system, no police....etc I am sure that the banks I have worked for have all at one time or another practiced tax avoidance. That doesn't make it right but they still paid a significant amount into the UK tax system and supported companies who paid tax into the system, whereas you would get away with anything you could, so please don't talk about your moral ground buddy. I am not sat on any high moral fence. When you pay contributions to your Pension, you may well be paying a higher rate of tax due to earnings, so someone avoids paying 40% tax on their contributions. When they withdrawl money from the pension they will pay tax at a far lower rate. No matter how you dress the window, it is Tax Avoidance! The poor will die! Yet you and Oldie support the scrapping of the Winter Fuel Allowance! |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 19, 2024 13:27:58 GMT
Well Oldie. You have mentioned on here that you have a good private pension. When you contribute to a Private Pension scheme you are indulging in Tax Avoidance. Also, do you know where your Pension Company invest? Cheshire, you said you worked for a Bank? I'll bet my bottom dollar that that Bank indulges in every form of Tax Avoidance it can. Pleased step down from that moral high ground. Well, I didn't take the tax relief, I had that exact value redirected to the pension fund. I was not avoiding tax, I was adhering to the tax regulations at the time. And yes, I knew where the funds were invested, we set up the Pension Scheme with REA Brothers as our advisers and each eligible stakeholder had their investments predicated upon their risk profile (common practice) and for a few of us we could be more specific. But I accept your general point, most pension holders do not track their investments nor pension provider performance. Ill informed and lazy, people just expect their pensions to "just be there" "I was adhering to the tax regulations at the time." , so no different to anyone who uses tax laws to reduce their taxes! |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 19, 2024 13:32:38 GMT
Moral ground Nobby, you are the one that would happily pay as little tax as possible if he could. I have never been nor sought to be in any tax avoidance system as I believe we should all pay our fair amount into the tax system to support our country and those who need support. And although contributions to pensions are tax free, tax is paid when the pensions are drawn, aside from the tax free element. I have not drawn my full tax free allowance either as unlike you I believe we should all pay a fair share. How very woke of me, as Bas would say. If we all did as you wish to do then the state could no longer exist and the poor would die as we would have no money to support anyone, no health system, no justice system, no police....etc I am sure that the banks I have worked for have all at one time or another practiced tax avoidance. That doesn't make it right but they still paid a significant amount into the UK tax system and supported companies who paid tax into the system, whereas you would get away with anything you could, so please don't talk about your moral ground buddy. When you pay contributions to your Pension, you may well be paying a higher rate of tax due to earnings, so someone avoids paying 40% tax on their contributions. When they withdrawl money from the pension they will pay tax at a far lower rate. No matter how you dress the window, it is Tax Avoidance! The poor will die! Yet you and Oldie support the scrapping of the Winter Fuel Allowance! But you are Nobby. You criticise us about the Winter Allowance but you would get away with paying No Tax if you could and if we all did that then there would be NO WA full stop..... |
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