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Post by basel on Jul 4, 2023 6:06:47 GMT
Farage has had his bank account closed and refused a new account at about half a dozen other banks.
No reason for his account closure has been given.
Bitter remainers bullying a man that to millions of Britons is a hero?Banks entering politics?Dangerous.
UK life must be difficult with no bank account.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2023 6:29:33 GMT
It's not just him. It's happening to others. Freedom of speech is taking a hammering and nobody at the top appear to be doing anything to defend it.
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Post by oldie on Jul 4, 2023 6:56:16 GMT
It's not just him. It's happening to others. Freedom of speech is taking a hammering and nobody at the top appear to be doing anything to defend it. As much as I loath chancers like Farage, I am, personally, deeply uncomfortable with commercial organisations making decisions like this predicated upon a political viewpoint, where that viewpoint does not contravene current law. Which Farage, as I understand it, has not. We should all be wary of decisions like this.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 4, 2023 8:27:05 GMT
It's not just him. It's happening to others. Freedom of speech is taking a hammering and nobody at the top appear to be doing anything to defend it. As much as I loath chancers like Farage, I am, personally, deeply uncomfortable with commercial organisations making decisions like this predicated upon a political viewpoint, where that viewpoint does not contravene current law. Which Farage, as I understand it, has not. We should all be wary of decisions like this. With all due respect to those varying views, this is nothing to do with Remainers Bas, as much as Farage is making out and you would like it to be. Nor is it a political decision per se to close the account although you could say that blacklisted countries are made so by political decisions. Because of his involvement in politics Farage is regarded as a Politically Exposed Person or PEP. These people include politicians, diplomats, etc and their families. Transactions through their accounts flag when they deal with countries on the UK and international blacklists. www.lexisnexis.com/en-gb/glossary/pepSee also Anti Money Laundering - insights.namescan.io/a-complete-guide-to-aml-regulations-around-the-world/#:~:text=A%20complete%20guide%20to%20AML%20regulations%20around%20the,Union%20%28E.U.%29%20...%208%20Russia%20...%20More%20items Countries such as Myanmar, Iran, North Korea, etc and now Russia [as a sanctioned country] are regarded as countries that if you have dealings with them, those transactions have to be approved by the Government of the day. There has to be a justifiable reason for those dealings or transactions. There is no reason for the Tories/Leavers to ban Farage for political reasons as he has been a massive vote winner especially amongst the anti-immigration voters. This is to do with his financial dealings and connections to AML listed countries. If one bank had closed his account I would say that they have taken a view, however when 9 or 11, depending on which tale Farage is giving and to whom, close or won't open accounts there will be a very sound reason for it. Most likely that he has connections with or has dealings with or received/sent funds from/to a country which is on the international risk list. As it is unlikely to be North Korea I leave others to guess which one it is.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 4, 2023 8:40:14 GMT
I recently had my bank account frozen here in the UK. The reason? I was trying to pay a bill in Germany of about 900 quid. It was the bill to have my car serviced. The Bank here refused to believe that I could drive my car away from the service dealer without paying then and there. I explained that that is not how it works with the service company. You drive away and they bill you through the post a few days later. Took me three days to get it unlocked. I also had to visit a branch to prove my identity before they would unlock it! While I am happy that the bank's keep an eye on possible fraud or money laundering, at times they can be overbearing. 900 quid is not exactly money laundering is it. Like most things these laws were introduced to go after the big guys, but in reality they are used against the small guys, as the big guys are more difficult to catch, whereas the small guy is easy prey. It's exactly the same with Tax.
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Post by oldie on Jul 4, 2023 8:50:49 GMT
As much as I loath chancers like Farage, I am, personally, deeply uncomfortable with commercial organisations making decisions like this predicated upon a political viewpoint, where that viewpoint does not contravene current law. Which Farage, as I understand it, has not. We should all be wary of decisions like this. With all due respect to those varying views, this is nothing to do with Remainers Bas, as much as Farage is making out and you would like it to be. Nor is it a political decision per se to close the account although you could say that blacklisted countries are made so by political decisions. Because of his involvement in politics Farage is regarded as a Politically Exposed Person or PEP. These people include politicians, diplomats, etc and their families. Transactions through their accounts flag when they deal with countries on the UK and international blacklists. www.lexisnexis.com/en-gb/glossary/pepSee also Anti Money Laundering - insights.namescan.io/a-complete-guide-to-aml-regulations-around-the-world/#:~:text=A%20complete%20guide%20to%20AML%20regulations%20around%20the,Union%20%28E.U.%29%20...%208%20Russia%20...%20More%20items Countries such as Myanmar, Iran, North Korea, etc and now Russia [as a sanctioned country] are regarded as countries that if you have dealings with them, those transactions have to be approved by the Government of the day. There has to be a justifiable reason for those dealings or transactions. There is no reason for the Tories/Leavers to ban Farage for political reasons as he has been a massive vote winner especially amongst the anti-immigration voters. This is to do with his financial dealings and connections to AML listed countries. If one bank had closed his account I would say that they have taken a view, however when 9 or 11, depending on which tale Farage is giving and to whom, close or won't open accounts there will be a very sound reason for it. Most likely that he has connections with or has dealings with or received/sent funds from/to a country which is on the international risk list. As it is unlikely to be North Korea I leave others to guess which one it is. Cheshire Thank you for the detailed explanation. That makes perfect sense.
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Post by basel on Jul 8, 2023 19:39:26 GMT
An EU law/regulation on banking,that ought to of been scrapped on Leaving the EU ,has allowed our banks to do the dirty on eg Nigel Farage,closing his account and denying his requests for a new account at other banks.PEP.Politically Exposed People. People with political views the EU don't agree with can have their bank account closed.
With abit of luck the Government will fix this by actually scrapping/changing this EU rule.A rule that may suit the EU,but its nonsense in our UK.
The Conservative Party may be concerned about losing donations from wealthy people with right wing views. That may get them moving!
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Post by oldie on Jul 8, 2023 20:16:23 GMT
An EU law/regulation on banking,that ought to of been scrapped on Leaving the EU ,has allowed our banks to do the dirty on eg Nigel Farage,closing his account and denying his requests for a new account at other banks.PEP.Politically Exposed People. People with political views the EU don't agree with can have their bank account closed. With abit of luck the Government will fix this by actually scrapping/changing this EU rule.A rule that may suit the EU,but its nonsense in our UK. The Conservative Party may be concerned about losing donations from wealthy people with right wing views. That may get them moving! 😂😂😂 You what? Cheshire has already explained, explained with links and in English
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 19, 2023 10:25:50 GMT
This is now quite scary. The truth behind Farage having his accounts cancelled has come out. Freedom of speech and even Freedom of Thought is under attack pretty much everywhere. Coutts investigation
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Post by oldie on Jul 19, 2023 10:46:00 GMT
This is now quite scary. The truth behind Farage having his accounts cancelled has come out. Freedom of speech and even Freedom of Thought is under attack pretty much everywhere. Coutts investigationOnly issue with that story is that it is in the Daily Mail. Have other banks turned him away? HSBC appear to have no problems having banking relationships with morons, (Hong Kong etc). I am sure he could get an account with them
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 19, 2023 10:53:26 GMT
The real scary thing is that the new Digital Currency is actively being worked on by all governments. In the near future Oldie, what if someone like Tesco's decide your views don't match theirs. Will they stop you shopping there? What about Water or Electric companies? Will they be able to turn you away if your views don't align with theirs? And of course, with a Digital Currency the government itself can control where and when you spend your money. What if the government decide to restrict the amount of alcohol you can buy in any given period, because some twat has decided the Nation drinks too much! Put your personal views of Nigel Farage aside for a moment and have a look at the bigger picture. It really is quite scary.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 19, 2023 10:58:12 GMT
Andrew Neil is very interested in this......
"Andrew Neil
@afneil
Some questions for
@couttsandco
Who compiled and agreed the political tests that you used to decide who can be your customers (and resulted in Nigel Farage being banned from banking with you)?
Does it have the approval of your CEO?
Does it have the support of your parent bank,@natwestgroup?
What was the process by which the Farage decision was taken?
Was your Chairman involved and did your board approve?
You write of Farage not aligning with your values. Who determined these values?
Do other banks in the NatWest Group have the same or different political tests.
Who compiled the report into Farage?
Who took the decision to terminate his account?
How many accounts have you terminated on political grounds?
Will you publish the political tests that must be passed so customers can judge if they fulfil them?
Do you hold accounts for any political figures or officials involved in undemocratic regimes or territories where human rights are not observed?
Do you have accounts of people with criminal records or tax evasion/avoidance prosecutions?
Do you accept that as a public company 40% owned by the taxpayer you have an obligation to answer these questions?
If you do not accept such accountability have you started preparing answers for your inevitable appearance before a Commons select committee?"
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Post by basel on Jul 19, 2023 11:53:32 GMT
This is now quite scary. The truth behind Farage having his accounts cancelled has come out. Freedom of speech and even Freedom of Thought is under attack pretty much everywhere. Coutts investigationAgreed,it's getting scary Nobby.It's getting out of hand.The Lefty woke thing,infiltrating groups all over the place. I can't stand the Labour Party.
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Post by basel on Jul 19, 2023 13:10:41 GMT
Andrew Neil is very interested in this...... "Andrew Neil @afneil Some questions for @couttsandco Who compiled and agreed the political tests that you used to decide who can be your customers (and resulted in Nigel Farage being banned from banking with you)? Does it have the approval of your CEO? Does it have the support of your parent bank,@natwestgroup? What was the process by which the Farage decision was taken? Was your Chairman involved and did your board approve? You write of Farage not aligning with your values. Who determined these values? Do other banks in the NatWest Group have the same or different political tests. Who compiled the report into Farage? Who took the decision to terminate his account? How many accounts have you terminated on political grounds? Will you publish the political tests that must be passed so customers can judge if they fulfil them? Do you hold accounts for any political figures or officials involved in undemocratic regimes or territories where human rights are not observed? Do you have accounts of people with criminal records or tax evasion/avoidance prosecutions? Do you accept that as a public company 40% owned by the taxpayer you have an obligation to answer these questions? If you do not accept such accountability have you started preparing answers for your inevitable appearance before a Commons select committee?" Another question could be 'care to comment on your banks links to slavery'? Not that I think it particularly important,but seeing as they've closed the door on NF.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 19, 2023 15:51:48 GMT
This is now quite scary. The truth behind Farage having his accounts cancelled has come out. Freedom of speech and even Freedom of Thought is under attack pretty much everywhere. Coutts investigationNobby, thanks for that even if it was a link to the Mail. It proves what NF is saying is bullsh*t. I am surprised you are getting so het up. I thought you were more than a bootie in the Army and would be used to intelligence reports. This is a strategy paper and as NF is a Politically Exposed Person, the report will be obliged to contain known instances of Political involvement which is in line with standards expected by HMG not just the bank. The banks are expected to produce such reports and these have to be available under the relevant laws to HMG and the relevant authorities. ALL PEPs would have such reports. So blame the Government not Coutts. Bottom line is that he doesn't meet the criteria for a customer and there is no commercial reason to step outside those criteria and to do so might in fact damage the bank's reputation. Having read through the report I refer you to the following - Page 1 - ' Recommendation is to retain NF for now'... [he is at this time below the criteria for a Coutts customer] ...However, it was noted that NF currently has a mortgage with Coutts, which is due to expire in July 2023, and which, on a commercial basis, we would not look to renew and so would suggest winding down the connection on that basis'Page 43 - 'I wanted to make you aware of a commercial exit decision we have made on the account of Nigel Farage. The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time and upon review of Nigel's past public profile and connections, the perceived risks for the future weighed against the benefit of retention, the decision was taken to exit upon repayment of an existing mortgage. In making the decision risk factors including accusations of links to Russia, controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank's purpose and the possibility, speculated upon in the press and not denied, or re-entry to politics were taken into account. There is however also clearly a risk of negative publicity in exiting which was accepted. The exit was expected to be in Q3 2023 however the mortgage has now been repaid early and the security released which is triggering an earlier notification of exit to the client.' [The latter indicating an automatic notification to the client of exit as he doesn't meet the settings limits for a client - that is 'computer says no'] The bank refers to political comments and discounts them themselves. The highlighting by the Daily Mail adds nothing to the decision which is purely commercial. Having been a poacher turned gamekeeper and worked with the FCA, senior accountancy and legal firms on customer complaints against the banks, there is nothing in this report that justifies his comments that this was purely a political decision. The only area where the bank mentions his views are where the Committee to which the report was presented state that 'The Committee did not think continuing to bank NF [which would be outside the criteria for a customer] was compatible with Coutts given his publicly-stated views which were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation. this was not a political decision but one centred around inclusivity and Purpose'I would also point out that no bank is obliged by law to either open or continue to operate PEP accounts and where they are held they are under the utmost scrutiny.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 19, 2023 16:03:22 GMT
Andrew Neil is very interested in this...... "Andrew Neil @afneil Some questions for @couttsandco Who compiled and agreed the political tests that you used to decide who can be your customers (and resulted in Nigel Farage being banned from banking with you)? Does it have the approval of your CEO? Does it have the support of your parent bank,@natwestgroup? What was the process by which the Farage decision was taken? Was your Chairman involved and did your board approve? You write of Farage not aligning with your values. Who determined these values? Do other banks in the NatWest Group have the same or different political tests. Who compiled the report into Farage? Who took the decision to terminate his account? How many accounts have you terminated on political grounds? Will you publish the political tests that must be passed so customers can judge if they fulfil them? Do you hold accounts for any political figures or officials involved in undemocratic regimes or territories where human rights are not observed? Do you have accounts of people with criminal records or tax evasion/avoidance prosecutions? Do you accept that as a public company 40% owned by the taxpayer you have an obligation to answer these questions? If you do not accept such accountability have you started preparing answers for your inevitable appearance before a Commons select committee?" I used to have time for Andrew Neil and he had a reasonable reputation for impartiality if right of centre. However since his very close involvement in the last 10 years with Johnson, Murdoch, and the far right MPs of the Tory party he has become a shadow of his former challenging self. Neil has no power to get anyone in front of a Commons Select Committee. His post is embarrassing and sounds like someone who thinks he is Billy Big Bollocks. Nearly all of the answers to his questions are in the report. What happened to investigative journalism. As historians say, we are now in the post truth era and Neil is one of those people who has exploited that. Experts and facts not needed just opinion, bit like Nigel Farage....
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Post by oldie on Jul 19, 2023 17:53:25 GMT
Andrew Neil is very interested in this...... "Andrew Neil @afneil Some questions for @couttsandco Who compiled and agreed the political tests that you used to decide who can be your customers (and resulted in Nigel Farage being banned from banking with you)? Does it have the approval of your CEO? Does it have the support of your parent bank,@natwestgroup? What was the process by which the Farage decision was taken? Was your Chairman involved and did your board approve? You write of Farage not aligning with your values. Who determined these values? Do other banks in the NatWest Group have the same or different political tests. Who compiled the report into Farage? Who took the decision to terminate his account? How many accounts have you terminated on political grounds? Will you publish the political tests that must be passed so customers can judge if they fulfil them? Do you hold accounts for any political figures or officials involved in undemocratic regimes or territories where human rights are not observed? Do you have accounts of people with criminal records or tax evasion/avoidance prosecutions? Do you accept that as a public company 40% owned by the taxpayer you have an obligation to answer these questions? If you do not accept such accountability have you started preparing answers for your inevitable appearance before a Commons select committee?" I used to have time for Andrew Neil and he had a reasonable reputation for impartiality if right of centre. However since his very close involvement in the last 10 years with Johnson, Murdoch, and the far right MPs of the Tory party he has become a shadow of his former challenging self. Neil has no power to get anyone in front of a Commons Select Committee. His post is embarrassing and sounds like someone who thinks he is Billy Big Bollocks. Nearly all of the answers to his questions are in the report. What happened to investigative journalism. As historians say, we are now in the post truth era and Neil is one of those people who has exploited that. Experts and facts not needed just opinion, bit like Nigel Farage.... Nicely done Cheshire.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 20, 2023 6:13:46 GMT
This is now quite scary. The truth behind Farage having his accounts cancelled has come out. Freedom of speech and even Freedom of Thought is under attack pretty much everywhere. Coutts investigationNobby, thanks for that even if it was a link to the Mail. It proves what NF is saying is bullsh*t. I am surprised you are getting so het up. I thought you were more than a bootie in the Army and would be used to intelligence reports. This is a strategy paper and as NF is a Politically Exposed Person, the report will be obliged to contain known instances of Political involvement which is in line with standards expected by HMG not just the bank. The banks are expected to produce such reports and these have to be available under the relevant laws to HMG and the relevant authorities. ALL PEPs would have such reports. So blame the Government not Coutts. Bottom line is that he doesn't meet the criteria for a customer and there is no commercial reason to step outside those criteria and to do so might in fact damage the bank's reputation. Having read through the report I refer you to the following - Page 1 - ' Recommendation is to retain NF for now'... [he is at this time below the criteria for a Coutts customer] ...However, it was noted that NF currently has a mortgage with Coutts, which is due to expire in July 2023, and which, on a commercial basis, we would not look to renew and so would suggest winding down the connection on that basis'Page 43 - 'I wanted to make you aware of a commercial exit decision we have made on the account of Nigel Farage. The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time and upon review of Nigel's past public profile and connections, the perceived risks for the future weighed against the benefit of retention, the decision was taken to exit upon repayment of an existing mortgage. In making the decision risk factors including accusations of links to Russia, controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank's purpose and the possibility, speculated upon in the press and not denied, or re-entry to politics were taken into account. There is however also clearly a risk of negative publicity in exiting which was accepted. The exit was expected to be in Q3 2023 however the mortgage has now been repaid early and the security released which is triggering an earlier notification of exit to the client.' [The latter indicating an automatic notification to the client of exit as he doesn't meet the settings limits for a client - that is 'computer says no'] The bank refers to political comments and discounts them themselves. The highlighting by the Daily Mail adds nothing to the decision which is purely commercial. Having been a poacher turned gamekeeper and worked with the FCA, senior accountancy and legal firms on customer complaints against the banks, there is nothing in this report that justifies his comments that this was purely a political decision. The only area where the bank mentions his views are where the Committee to which the report was presented state that 'The Committee did not think continuing to bank NF [which would be outside the criteria for a customer] was compatible with Coutts given his publicly-stated views which were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation. this was not a political decision but one centred around inclusivity and Purpose'I would also point out that no bank is obliged by law to either open or continue to operate PEP accounts and where they are held they are under the utmost scrutiny. Terry, you can't keep hiding behind the PEP issue. The report states, "Client has recently been declassified from Higher Risk PEP to Lower Risk PEP - He will be de-classified completely at next review if he remains out of politics for the next twelve months" "The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time" - In the report it states that going to Low Risk PEP means that he fulfils the commercial criteria. This happened in June 2022. No matter how you try and spin it, it's a terrible decision by the bank and the report stinks.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 20, 2023 7:28:09 GMT
Terry, you can't keep hiding behind the PEP issue. The report states, "Client has recently been declassified from Higher Risk PEP to Lower Risk PEP - He will be de-classified completely at next review if he remains out of politics for the next twelve months" "The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time" - In the report it states that going to Low Risk PEP means that he fulfils the commercial criteria. This happened in June 2022. No matter how you try and spin it, it's a terrible decision by the bank and the report stinks. So a PEP report, which this is, is not a PEP report because you say it isn't. It was a PEP issue and then became a commercial issue. When he moved to low PEP criteria, the commercial element kicks in. He is below the commercial measures for having an account at Coutts. As he is low PEP status, there is no justifiable reason for Coutts to step outside their commercial rules. If his account says he needs £500k to be a client and he only has £250k then he does not qualify for a Coutts account. Being a PEP he may appeal to keep the account. As he is not, he can't. They admit that to close the relationship that there would be a risk of publicity because of the nature of the man. That is, basically, he will kick off like a child who is told his toys are being taken away, which he has. They accepted that risk. Why is it a terrible decision when he doesn't meet their rules for holding an account with them? Coutts has always had restrictive rules about having a bank account with them, and I have known that since I first started work in banking in 1974. If a soldier wanted to be in the SAS and didn't meet their criteria but claimed that it would help SAS make up their diversity numbers, would you let them in? Or if a SAS let themselves go but claimed that they were still good enough to fight even if they were 50kg over weight and couldn't run but they know what to do would the Army let them stay? The only reason there is a fuss is because it's Nigel Farage, and once again people fall for his lies, smoke and mirrors.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 20, 2023 8:35:44 GMT
Terry, you can't keep hiding behind the PEP issue. The report states, "Client has recently been declassified from Higher Risk PEP to Lower Risk PEP - He will be de-classified completely at next review if he remains out of politics for the next twelve months" "The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time" - In the report it states that going to Low Risk PEP means that he fulfils the commercial criteria. This happened in June 2022. No matter how you try and spin it, it's a terrible decision by the bank and the report stinks. So a PEP report, which this is, is not a PEP report because you say it isn't. It was a PEP issue and then became a commercial issue. When he moved to low PEP criteria, the commercial element kicks in. He is below the commercial measures for having an account at Coutts. As he is low PEP status, there is no justifiable reason for Coutts to step outside their commercial rules. If his account says he needs £500k to be a client and he only has £250k then he does not qualify for a Coutts account. Being a PEP he may appeal to keep the account. As he is not, he can't. They admit that to close the relationship that there would be a risk of publicity because of the nature of the man. That is, basically, he will kick off like a child who is told his toys are being taken away, which he has. They accepted that risk. Why is it a terrible decision when he doesn't meet their rules for holding an account with them? Coutts has always had restrictive rules about having a bank account with them, and I have known that since I first started work in banking in 1974. If a soldier wanted to be in the SAS and didn't meet their criteria but claimed that it would help SAS make up their diversity numbers, would you let them in? Or if a SAS let themselves go but claimed that they were still good enough to fight even if they were 50kg over weight and couldn't run but they know what to do would the Army let them stay? The only reason there is a fuss is because it's Nigel Farage, and once again people fall for his lies, smoke and mirrors. He does meet the commercial criteria. It quite clearly states that in the report. It quite clearly states that when he was moved from High Risk to Low Risk he did meet the commercial criteria. This has nothing to do with how much he had on his account.
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