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Post by baselswh on Aug 8, 2024 11:36:05 GMT
Farage is our best MP and Britains main hope. Then all I say say is God help us all. đđ |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2024 11:38:02 GMT
Yes Oldie, It really is childish to attempt to label Farage like this. The best humour is always that which contains an element of truth. Even I was shocked that Farage acquired his information from Andrew Tate...but...on reflection..perhaps not |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
"The majority rules" - Unfortunately, they don't.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 11:55:14 GMT
Says the absentee MP reporting from Hong Kong on his way to the USA via China. The last point about the incorrect rumours being that the MP for Clacton helped spread those rumours.... You talk about rumours Terry, but an awful lot of people fell for last night's rumour didn't they? Who started it? The government, the Police, the MSM? One interesting point is that when you look at the photos this morning in the media, at every location in the country where people came out, they were all carrying identical placards. These had to be funded, wood purchased, printed off, nailed together and then distributed throughout the country, all within a couple of days. Somebody somewhere was aware of what they were doing. Why oh why are you obsessed with where Farage is? Parliament is on it's summer recess. He can go wherever he wants to. Farage is one actually calling for the recall of Parliament! Starmer is off on holiday on Saturday, and he's the PM ! Just what is your point?Nobby, The 'rumour' about last night was started by the posting on Telegram of a list of migration legal offices and circulated over a number of days by people such as Katie Hopkins and others who favour right wing tropes. I am sure much of what appeared last night was coordinated following the riots earlier in the week. It is logical that they have had plenty of time to get it sorted and that there would be a counter movement. Many MPs did a lot of work in their constituencies setting up offices, meeting local people to introduce themselves, holding surgeries, etc prior to the recess. Even the Secretary of State for Health has held a number of surgeries for constituents and he's a busy chap. In fairness to Farage, apart from Lee Anderson who was already an MP, the other Reform Party Ltd MPs haven't bothered either. I just find it amazing that he can fly around the world even before the recess and you [apologies if you don't] and others seem to be happy to defend him to the hilt, even though he freely admits to spreading the initial rumours, and says he fully 'understands' the riots by implication condoning them. He has a job on GB News which he has been happy to do, he shot straight off to the US to defend Trump [who wouldn't even see him], and shows little desire to serve his constituents. So why not call him out? |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2024 12:02:14 GMT
"The majority rules" - Unfortunately, they don't. Yes we do |
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Post by Nobbygas on Aug 8, 2024 12:21:54 GMT
You talk about rumours Terry, but an awful lot of people fell for last night's rumour didn't they? Who started it? The government, the Police, the MSM? One interesting point is that when you look at the photos this morning in the media, at every location in the country where people came out, they were all carrying identical placards. These had to be funded, wood purchased, printed off, nailed together and then distributed throughout the country, all within a couple of days. Somebody somewhere was aware of what they were doing. Why oh why are you obsessed with where Farage is? Parliament is on it's summer recess. He can go wherever he wants to. Farage is one actually calling for the recall of Parliament! Starmer is off on holiday on Saturday, and he's the PM ! Just what is your point?Nobby, The 'rumour' about last night was started by the posting on Telegram of a list of migration legal offices and circulated over a number of days by people such as Katie Hopkins and others who favour right wing tropes. I am sure much of what appeared last night was coordinated following the riots earlier in the week. It is logical that they have had plenty of time to get it sorted and that there would be a counter movement. Many MPs did a lot of work in their constituencies setting up offices, meeting local people to introduce themselves, holding surgeries, etc prior to the recess. Even the Secretary of State for Health has held a number of surgeries for constituents and he's a busy chap. In fairness to Farage, apart from Lee Anderson who was already an MP, the other Reform Party Ltd MPs haven't bothered either. I just find it amazing that he can fly around the world even before the recess and you [apologies if you don't] and others seem to be happy to defend him to the hilt, even though he freely admits to spreading the initial rumours, and says he fully 'understands' the riots by implication condoning them. He has a job on GB News which he has been happy to do, he shot straight off to the US to defend Trump [who wouldn't even see him], and shows little desire to serve his constituents. So why not call him out? Terry, are you saying that an anonymous post on Telegram is credible evidence? You are aware that Telegram is not a credible social media platform? Call him out? He's one of the few calling for a recall of Parliament! The last time Parliament was recalled was during the withdrawal from Afghanistan! Don't you think that the internal problems in the UK are more important? As for 'understanding' the riots and therefore by implication condoning them, I can only say Oldie used the exact same language during the kill the bill riots in Bristol ! |
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Post by oldie on Aug 8, 2024 12:47:50 GMT
Nobby, The 'rumour' about last night was started by the posting on Telegram of a list of migration legal offices and circulated over a number of days by people such as Katie Hopkins and others who favour right wing tropes. I am sure much of what appeared last night was coordinated following the riots earlier in the week. It is logical that they have had plenty of time to get it sorted and that there would be a counter movement. Many MPs did a lot of work in their constituencies setting up offices, meeting local people to introduce themselves, holding surgeries, etc prior to the recess. Even the Secretary of State for Health has held a number of surgeries for constituents and he's a busy chap. In fairness to Farage, apart from Lee Anderson who was already an MP, the other Reform Party Ltd MPs haven't bothered either. I just find it amazing that he can fly around the world even before the recess and you [apologies if you don't] and others seem to be happy to defend him to the hilt, even though he freely admits to spreading the initial rumours, and says he fully 'understands' the riots by implication condoning them. He has a job on GB News which he has been happy to do, he shot straight off to the US to defend Trump [who wouldn't even see him], and shows little desire to serve his constituents. So why not call him out? Terry, are you saying that an anonymous post on Telegram is credible evidence? You are aware that Telegram is not a credible social media platform? Call him out? He's one of the few calling for a recall of Parliament! The last time Parliament was recalled was during the withdrawal from Afghanistan! Don't you think that the internal problems in the UK are more important? As for 'understanding' the riots and therefore by implication condoning them, I can only say Oldie used the exact same language during the kill the bill riots in Bristol ! And Repeat |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 13:11:18 GMT
Terry, are you saying that an anonymous post on Telegram is credible evidence? You are aware that Telegram is not a credible social media platform? Call him out? He's one of the few calling for a recall of Parliament! The last time Parliament was recalled was during the withdrawal from Afghanistan! Don't you think that the internal problems in the UK are more important? As for 'understanding' the riots and therefore by implication condoning them, I can only say Oldie used the exact same language during the kill the bill riots in Bristol ! Bloody hell, Nobby, where did I say it was credible? I said that is where the source originated, you asked! I know its not credible but its partly where disinformation is coming from, usually by the likes of Andrew Tate and Katie Hopkins. They are more than happy to spread disinformation until called out. And your friend Nigel Farage thought Tate was credible until sh** hit the fan! Why recall Parliament, its under control. And you know why he wants Parliament recalled, so he can shout out about immigration again. He's a one trick pony. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 13:21:22 GMT
Terry, are you saying that an anonymous post on Telegram is credible evidence? You are aware that Telegram is not a credible social media platform? Call him out? He's one of the few calling for a recall of Parliament! The last time Parliament was recalled was during the withdrawal from Afghanistan! Don't you think that the internal problems in the UK are more important? As for 'understanding' the riots and therefore by implication condoning them, I can only say Oldie used the exact same language during the kill the bill riots in Bristol ! Bloody hell, Nobby, where did I say it was credible? I said that is where the source originated, you asked! I know its not credible but its partly where disinformation is coming from, usually by the likes of Andrew Tate and Katie Hopkins. They are more than happy to spread disinformation until called out. And your friend Nigel Farage thought Tate was credible until sh** hit the fan! Why recall Parliament, its under control. And you know why he wants Parliament recalled, so he can shout out about immigration again. He's a one trick pony. Diane Abbott was on Radio 4 earlier in the week,she wanted parliament recalled too,something about racism. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 8, 2024 13:29:15 GMT
Bloody hell, Nobby, where did I say it was credible? I said that is where the source originated, you asked! I know its not credible but its partly where disinformation is coming from, usually by the likes of Andrew Tate and Katie Hopkins. They are more than happy to spread disinformation until called out. And your friend Nigel Farage thought Tate was credible until sh** hit the fan! Why recall Parliament, its under control. And you know why he wants Parliament recalled, so he can shout out about immigration again. He's a one trick pony. Diane Abbott was on Radio 4 earlier in the week,she wanted parliament recalled too,something about racism. Indeed a small amount of MPs so far Farage and Priti Patel, Diane Abbot and Zara Sultana. Out of 650 that's not a massive drive. Mind you as Bas says that Nigel is the best MP, we should jump to his command..... |
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Post by trymer on Aug 8, 2024 13:40:38 GMT
As leader of the opposition Starmer wanted parliament recalled on THREE occasions...one was for Boris Johnsons party escapades...surely riots are more serious ?
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Post by bluetornados on Aug 13, 2024 20:44:56 GMT
Matt Goodwin explains why Nigel Farage is doing better than ever: You can't blame Everything on the 'far-right'..by Ben Chapman.
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Professor Matthew GoodwinLeading pollster and political commentator Matt Goodwin has set out his analysis on why Nigel Farage is enjoying more success than ever before. The Reform UK leader became an MP for the first time at this yearâs General Election by convincingly winning the seat of Clacton. The success didnât end there for the GB News star as his party won five seats, a particularly impressive feat given how the First Past the Post system tends not to favour smaller parties. Speaking to Steve Edginton, Goodwin said the British public are not being listened to with their concerns on immigration, and are often being tarnished instead. âWe are entering a sort of low trust, declining, divided society with high rates of segregationâ, he said. âIf you do express a voice and express concern, you are wrapped up with the very sort of fringe minority of far-right loons and branded as far-right. âI work in the academic literature on this. Iâm very aware of what has happened. The term far-right, which most academics used to say was meaningless, has been inflated to include people who arenât far-right at all. âWe are asking questions like, âis mass immigration sustainable? Is integration working? âWhy is it that we have Sharia courts operating in the UK? Is Islam compatible with Western liberal society?â âThe far-right has been expanded, inflated as a term to encompass a lot of those people. I think that is what is fuelling a lot of this division in British society. âThatâs why Nigel Farage is doing better than ever. People are looking for a voice within that conversation, a voice that they donât have when they look at the established political parties. I think those parties now have an option, right?â upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Dr_Matthew_Goodwin_-_Chatham_House_2011.jpg/220px-Dr_Matthew_Goodwin_-_Chatham_House_2011.jpgIt comes after unrest across the country where those taking part in riots were widely branded âfar-rightâ. Nigel Farage waded in on the chaos to condemn any violence, while also hitting out at Keir Starmerâs response. He also questioned âwhether the truth is being withheld from usâ after the killing of three girls in Southport, which sparked the chaos. The political class has rushed to condemn Farage with Tory leadership contenders Mel Stride and Tom Tugendhat among them. The latter fumed at his âreckless rhetoricâ in his first major speech since declaring his bid to head the party. âWe need to end the culture of denial - the tendency to move hurriedly on from acts of extreme violence, to obfuscate about the identities and motives of the perpetratorsâ, he said.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2024 12:52:02 GMT
Professor Goodwin - 'Goodwin has become known for increasingly right-wing views and has a large following on X and Substack. Some critics have argued that he has become an apologist for populism.'
Bas will like him -
According to Huw Davies and Sheena MacRae [authors of An anatomy of the war on woke], Goodwin's "concerns about wokeism are a recurrent theme in his output". Goodwin has described "wokeism" as "a pseudo-religion". He has acted as an adviser to the Conservative Party and in the JulyâSeptember 2022 Conservative Party leadership election supported "anti-woke campaigner" Kemi Badenoch, referring to her as "one of the most interesting Conservatives in British politics for a very long time". He supports the Conservative government's Rwanda asylum plan, which would entail deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, and has advised the party to raise "the salience of cultural issues". Kenan Malik argues that Goodwin now advocates a politics that a decade earlier he would have described as "toxic". When the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities (Sewell Report) argued that structural racism did not exist in the UK, Goodwin claimed this "dismantles the woke mob's central claim that we are living in a fundamentally racist society"
The fact he backs Badenoch speaks volumes.
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 13:29:03 GMT
Professor Goodwin - 'Goodwin has become known for increasingly right-wing views and has a large following on X and Substack. Some critics have argued that he has become an apologist for populism.' Bas will like him - According to Huw Davies and Sheena MacRae [authors of An anatomy of the war on woke], Goodwin's "concerns about wokeism are a recurrent theme in his output". Goodwin has described "wokeism" as "a pseudo-religion". He has acted as an adviser to the Conservative Party and in the JulyâSeptember 2022 Conservative Party leadership election supported "anti-woke campaigner" Kemi Badenoch, referring to her as "one of the most interesting Conservatives in British politics for a very long time". He supports the Conservative government's Rwanda asylum plan, which would entail deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, and has advised the party to raise "the salience of cultural issues". Kenan Malik argues that Goodwin now advocates a politics that a decade earlier he would have described as "toxic". When the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities (Sewell Report) argued that structural racism did not exist in the UK, Goodwin claimed this "dismantles the woke mob's central claim that we are living in a fundamentally racist society" The fact he backs Badenoch speaks volumes. Seen him on GB News Chesh,although not so much as I would'nt of been able to put a name to his face. |
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Post by baselswh on Aug 14, 2024 13:30:58 GMT
Labour and Conservatives continue becoming more unpopular.
Reform nicely on track.
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Post by oldie on Aug 14, 2024 14:06:49 GMT
Labour and Conservatives continue becoming more unpopular. Reform nicely on track. You didn't finish the sentence... Reform nicely on track,..to pollute society with their ignorant rhetoric. |
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Post by trymer on Aug 14, 2024 14:17:25 GMT
Professor Goodwin - 'Goodwin has become known for increasingly right-wing views and has a large following on X and Substack. Some critics have argued that he has become an apologist for populism.' Bas will like him - According to Huw Davies and Sheena MacRae [authors of An anatomy of the war on woke], Goodwin's "concerns about wokeism are a recurrent theme in his output". Goodwin has described "wokeism" as "a pseudo-religion". He has acted as an adviser to the Conservative Party and in the JulyâSeptember 2022 Conservative Party leadership election supported "anti-woke campaigner" Kemi Badenoch, referring to her as "one of the most interesting Conservatives in British politics for a very long time". He supports the Conservative government's Rwanda asylum plan, which would entail deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, and has advised the party to raise "the salience of cultural issues". Kenan Malik argues that Goodwin now advocates a politics that a decade earlier he would have described as "toxic". When the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities (Sewell Report) argued that structural racism did not exist in the UK, Goodwin claimed this "dismantles the woke mob's central claim that we are living in a fundamentally racist society" The fact he backs Badenoch speaks volumes. 'right-wing' 'populism'.....what or who is 'right-wing' these days ? 12 year old rioters ? people joining in riots on way home from bingo ? drunks from the pub joining in the violence ? Seems like anyone that the lefties dont like is 'far right' I wouldnt call Jacob Rees Mogg 'far right',I would have called George Lincoln Rockwell 'far right' but not exactly a 'populist'. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2024 14:32:50 GMT
Professor Goodwin - 'Goodwin has become known for increasingly right-wing views and has a large following on X and Substack. Some critics have argued that he has become an apologist for populism.' Bas will like him - According to Huw Davies and Sheena MacRae [authors of An anatomy of the war on woke], Goodwin's "concerns about wokeism are a recurrent theme in his output". Goodwin has described "wokeism" as "a pseudo-religion". He has acted as an adviser to the Conservative Party and in the JulyâSeptember 2022 Conservative Party leadership election supported "anti-woke campaigner" Kemi Badenoch, referring to her as "one of the most interesting Conservatives in British politics for a very long time". He supports the Conservative government's Rwanda asylum plan, which would entail deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda, and has advised the party to raise "the salience of cultural issues". Kenan Malik argues that Goodwin now advocates a politics that a decade earlier he would have described as "toxic". When the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities (Sewell Report) argued that structural racism did not exist in the UK, Goodwin claimed this "dismantles the woke mob's central claim that we are living in a fundamentally racist society" The fact he backs Badenoch speaks volumes. 'right-wing' 'populism'.....what or who is 'right-wing' these days ? 12 year old rioters ? people joining in riots on way home from bingo ? drunks from the pub joining in the violence ? Seems like anyone that the lefties dont like is 'far right' I wouldnt call Jacob Rees Mogg 'far right',I would have called George Lincoln Rockwell 'far right' but not exactly a 'populist'. Just quoting others Trymer, and providing background to put the Professor's comments into context. This is not a centrist professor, basing his commentary on fact based analysis. It's an opinion piece **Like many from both sides, he has his own agenda, and that is from a right wing perspective. bluetornados had quoted him and the article gave the impression this is a non partisan piece, which it is not. To misquote you, Seems like anyone that the right don't like is 'far left', 'leftie' or 'woke'.....** I appreciate that in this post truth era opinion counts as much as fact to many! |
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Post by trymer on Aug 14, 2024 14:40:00 GMT
'right-wing' 'populism'.....what or who is 'right-wing' these days ? 12 year old rioters ? people joining in riots on way home from bingo ? drunks from the pub joining in the violence ? Seems like anyone that the lefties dont like is 'far right' I wouldnt call Jacob Rees Mogg 'far right',I would have called George Lincoln Rockwell 'far right' but not exactly a 'populist'. Just quoting others Trymer, and providing background to put the Professor's comments into context. This is not a centrist professor, basing his commentary on fact based analysis. It's an opinion piece **Like many from both sides, he has his own agenda, and that is from a right wing perspective. bluetornados had quoted him and the article gave the impression this is a non partisan piece, which it is not. To misquote you, Seems like anyone that the right don't like is 'far left', 'leftie' or 'woke'.....** I appreciate that in this post truth era opinion counts as much as fact to many! This whole 'far right' labelling seems to have grown since Reform got 4 million votes, but even after Brexit leavers were called 'far right' or 'racist' or both. I do think society is so split now that these 'culture wars' are out of control,no doubt the internet is part of the problem but I dont see how this is going to end. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 14, 2024 14:56:29 GMT
Just quoting others Trymer, and providing background to put the Professor's comments into context. This is not a centrist professor, basing his commentary on fact based analysis. It's an opinion piece **Like many from both sides, he has his own agenda, and that is from a right wing perspective. bluetornados had quoted him and the article gave the impression this is a non partisan piece, which it is not. To misquote you, Seems like anyone that the right don't like is 'far left', 'leftie' or 'woke'.....** I appreciate that in this post truth era opinion counts as much as fact to many! This whole 'far right' labelling seems to have grown since Reform got 4 million votes, but even after Brexit leavers were called 'far right' or 'racist' or both. I do think society is so split now that these 'culture wars' are out of control, no doubt the internet is part of the problem but I dont see how this is going to end. As noted to Icegas the idea of far left to far right has been around since the French Revolution. The National Front, some of whose ideas such as being anti immigrants, have become seemingly more acceptable to people like the Reform Party Ltd and some members of the Tory Party, were considered and called far right in the 1970s so it is nothing new or to do with the number voting for the Reform Party Ltd. Interesting how some take offence at 'far right' but then bandy 'far left' or 'woke' and mean it as an insult. And I agree with your last sentence, since around 2015 a dissenting view is perceived by either side as something to rant about and throw insults or abuse their opponents. There is very little calm, knowledgeable debate to be had. I now fully expect to be called woke, leftie, far left, or to be told as a Remainer to 'f*** off, you lost, get over it' or called a 'Remoaner' by some when I try to engage over Brexit. And for a lot of people an opinion carries as much weight as a fact, even though that opinion may be from information on some dodgy website that is bat sh** crazy!! I would love a return to calm, sensible, debate or discussion, even if a little heated but with respect, especially over a pint, without people having a head fit. It works from both sides. |
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