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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 12:29:57 GMT
I had to laugh.
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 13:02:53 GMT
Of course some lie and pretend Islam is all good and beyond any criticism.
Dangerous.
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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 14:40:39 GMT
The problem with responding to this rhetoric is that the mods call "foul" if I, perhaps anyone, goes after it. But we should, because it is grotesque, not only because of its manifest ignorance of the topic, but the very clear display of outright prejudice. Funnily enough I bought a book today, first published in 1974 I think. Farewell Babylon. A more accurate account of Middle Eastern culture godine.com/book/farewell-babylon/ |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 1, 2023 14:58:40 GMT
Hmm,well one of these examples was a bloke having a hot cross bun that appeared to be a hot cross swastika.Its hard to take that one too seriously.Was he the same bloke that taught his dog how to Roman salute? One used the N word.Got told off and went to the school of naughty and offensive words for a while.I suppose he learnt the way he used it was unkind and bullying. He needed pulling up,whether he was deliberately offensive or just through ignorance . The woman that put on social media 'until Muslims are more afraid of being deported than ISIS,then problems will continue,closing Mosques would help' ,she actually recieved death threats.This kind of backs up her point. As far as I can tell,all our other UK religions and their followers seem integrated. Islam remains a dangerous challenge. How long before at least 'UK Islam' reforms,if ever? It would be helpful to know and make it so much easier to condemn those that perhaps harshly criticise this way of life. Critics of Islam should'nt face threats of violence and death,but they do. I wonder if any striking school teacher last week,gave a thought to their Batley comrade,still in hiding for his life. I condemn the racist attacks. Critique of the most dangerous religion in the world ( it is dangerous ) and therefore its followers,gets complicated.Too many ,are all too willing to be violent in the name of Islam. As for Braverman, she was right. Put the stats up and you'll see Muslim Pakistani men are over represented in grooming gang crime.Check their percentage of being found guilty,to their percentage of population.Over represented. I think things will get worse before they hopefully get better.Pray to your God that a few decades down the road ,Islam enjoys a sensible reformation making it undangerous.A religion that eg would laugh at a film entitled 'The Life Of Ibrahim',about a normal bloke mistaken for the top profit. Imagine the violent uproar such a film would provoke in todays Islam. The UK needs a Islamic Reformation. Then we're perhaps in business. That's not to say everything is bad right now,it is'nt. Edit. Thought about it and if the people in the Guardian report were local politicians at the time of these Islam criticisms, then I condemn their terminology because people in their position ought to show more tact. Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 15:06:43 GMT
Hmm,well one of these examples was a bloke having a hot cross bun that appeared to be a hot cross swastika.Its hard to take that one too seriously.Was he the same bloke that taught his dog how to Roman salute? One used the N word.Got told off and went to the school of naughty and offensive words for a while.I suppose he learnt the way he used it was unkind and bullying. He needed pulling up,whether he was deliberately offensive or just through ignorance . The woman that put on social media 'until Muslims are more afraid of being deported than ISIS,then problems will continue,closing Mosques would help' ,she actually recieved death threats.This kind of backs up her point. As far as I can tell,all our other UK religions and their followers seem integrated. Islam remains a dangerous challenge. How long before at least 'UK Islam' reforms,if ever? It would be helpful to know and make it so much easier to condemn those that perhaps harshly criticise this way of life. Critics of Islam should'nt face threats of violence and death,but they do. I wonder if any striking school teacher last week,gave a thought to their Batley comrade,still in hiding for his life. I condemn the racist attacks. Critique of the most dangerous religion in the world ( it is dangerous ) and therefore its followers,gets complicated.Too many ,are all too willing to be violent in the name of Islam. As for Braverman, she was right. Put the stats up and you'll see Muslim Pakistani men are over represented in grooming gang crime.Check their percentage of being found guilty,to their percentage of population.Over represented. I think things will get worse before they hopefully get better.Pray to your God that a few decades down the road ,Islam enjoys a sensible reformation making it undangerous.A religion that eg would laugh at a film entitled 'The Life Of Ibrahim',about a normal bloke mistaken for the top profit. Imagine the violent uproar such a film would provoke in todays Islam. The UK needs a Islamic Reformation. Then we're perhaps in business. That's not to say everything is bad right now,it is'nt. Edit. Thought about it and if the people in the Guardian report were local politicians at the time of these Islam criticisms, then I condemn their terminology because people in their position ought to show more tact. Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? I don't think that's appropriate Smeggy . Let me ask you,how many Jewish people in the UK get arrested/convicted and how many Muslims? Taking into account percentage of convictions to percentage of population. I don't know the answer,but would be willing to bet alot of £s on who has the worse record. |
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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 15:10:16 GMT
Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? I don't think that's appropriate Smeggy . Let me ask you,how many Jewish people in the UK get arrested/convicted and how many Muslims? Taking into account percentage of convictions to percentage of population. I don't know the answer,but would be willing to bet alot of £s on who has the worse record. Do we define convictions by faith? Who knew? Imagine, how many Christians are convicted? How many atheists...we need to know |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 1, 2023 16:22:05 GMT
Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? I don't think that's appropriate Smeggy . Let me ask you,how many Jewish people in the UK get arrested/convicted and how many Muslims? Taking into account percentage of convictions to percentage of population. I don't know the answer,but would be willing to bet alot of £s on who has the worse record. So what are you saying? That muslims are inherently more prone to criminal behaviour than other faiths? Do you realise how this might look to a muslim? |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 16:32:04 GMT
I don't think that's appropriate Smeggy . Let me ask you,how many Jewish people in the UK get arrested/convicted and how many Muslims? Taking into account percentage of convictions to percentage of population. I don't know the answer,but would be willing to bet alot of £s on who has the worse record. So what are you saying? That muslims are inherently more prone to criminal behaviour than other faiths? Do you realise how this might look to a muslim? I have enough confidence that sensible Muslims would accept this and wonder why it is and what could be done about it. I apparently have more faith in them than you? |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 1, 2023 16:41:42 GMT
So how do you define a sensible Muslim? Only one who agrees with you?
I’d bet my bottom dollar that most would not.
Here’s a little experiment for you. Go visit your local mosque and repeat your thoughts on Islam there. Please live stream it as it will be an entertaining watch
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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 16:55:48 GMT
So how do you define a sensible Muslim? Only one who agrees with you? I’d bet my bottom dollar that most would not. Here’s a little experiment for you. Go visit your local mosque and repeat your thoughts on Islam there. Please live stream it as it will be an entertaining watch Oh please do. It would be hilarious |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 17:03:47 GMT
So how do you define a sensible Muslim? Only one who agrees with you? I’d bet my bottom dollar that most would not. Here’s a little experiment for you. Go visit your local mosque and repeat your thoughts on Islam there. Please live stream it as it will be an entertaining watch There you go,asking me a question, answering it yourself and the next moment I'm at one of the local mosques,I assume you mean searching for a sensible Muslim. There are millions of Britons 'nervous' of Islam.Me popping down a mosque probably would'nt make any difference but I believe there are some Muslims looking to reform. As posted,I hope for an Islamic reformation.I think it's vital. That's it really Smeggy,that's all it's about. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 1, 2023 17:27:36 GMT
You still haven't answered either of the questions I asked you.
I think you would learn an awful lot from a visit to a mosque. Most prejudices are grounded in ignorance.
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 17:35:17 GMT
So how do you define a sensible Muslim? Only one who agrees with you? I’d bet my bottom dollar that most would not. Here’s a little experiment for you. Go visit your local mosque and repeat your thoughts on Islam there. Please live stream it as it will be an entertaining watch A sensible Muslim would calmly discuss Islam in the UK without making threats. Perhaps I would start with the word "reformation ". |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 17:39:58 GMT
Hmm,well one of these examples was a bloke having a hot cross bun that appeared to be a hot cross swastika.Its hard to take that one too seriously.Was he the same bloke that taught his dog how to Roman salute? One used the N word.Got told off and went to the school of naughty and offensive words for a while.I suppose he learnt the way he used it was unkind and bullying. He needed pulling up,whether he was deliberately offensive or just through ignorance . The woman that put on social media 'until Muslims are more afraid of being deported than ISIS,then problems will continue,closing Mosques would help' ,she actually recieved death threats.This kind of backs up her point. As far as I can tell,all our other UK religions and their followers seem integrated. Islam remains a dangerous challenge. How long before at least 'UK Islam' reforms,if ever? It would be helpful to know and make it so much easier to condemn those that perhaps harshly criticise this way of life. Critics of Islam should'nt face threats of violence and death,but they do. I wonder if any striking school teacher last week,gave a thought to their Batley comrade,still in hiding for his life. I condemn the racist attacks. Critique of the most dangerous religion in the world ( it is dangerous ) and therefore its followers,gets complicated.Too many ,are all too willing to be violent in the name of Islam. As for Braverman, she was right. Put the stats up and you'll see Muslim Pakistani men are over represented in grooming gang crime.Check their percentage of being found guilty,to their percentage of population.Over represented. I think things will get worse before they hopefully get better.Pray to your God that a few decades down the road ,Islam enjoys a sensible reformation making it undangerous.A religion that eg would laugh at a film entitled 'The Life Of Ibrahim',about a normal bloke mistaken for the top profit. Imagine the violent uproar such a film would provoke in todays Islam. The UK needs a Islamic Reformation. Then we're perhaps in business. That's not to say everything is bad right now,it is'nt. Edit. Thought about it and if the people in the Guardian report were local politicians at the time of these Islam criticisms, then I condemn their terminology because people in their position ought to show more tact. Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? If Corbyn said this about Jews,it would not only be antisemitic but ridiculous lies. For it to make any sense at all,Jews in the UK would of had to of caused as many problems as Muslims. They have not,so it's null and void. "Inappropriate " as I posted before. |
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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 19:09:45 GMT
Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? If Corbyn said this about Jews,it would not only be antisemitic but ridiculous lies. For it to make any sense at all,Jews in the UK would of had to of caused as many problems as Muslims. They have not,so it's null and void. "Inappropriate " as I posted before. What evidence can you provide to prove this slur? |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 19:13:40 GMT
If Corbyn said this about Jews,it would not only be antisemitic but ridiculous lies. For it to make any sense at all,Jews in the UK would of had to of caused as many problems as Muslims. They have not,so it's null and void. "Inappropriate " as I posted before. What evidence can you provide to prove this slur? Ah,that's a fair question Oldie. Smeggy and me have been discussing under the strong assumption it's true. I'll do some 'homework'. |
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Post by oldie on May 1, 2023 19:16:57 GMT
What evidence can you provide to prove this slur? Ah,that's a fair question Oldie. Smeggy and me have been discussing under the strong assumption it's true. I'll do some 'homework'. No you haven't. Mrs Smegma challenged you on your views, not discussed them. As I have. Now we await your evidence to back up the slander you have written. In any event, the fact that you now admit you have to look for evidence after you posted, proves the point that you are making this stuff up predicated upon your own prejudicial views. Again. |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 19:39:23 GMT
Substitute Judaism for Islam in your post above. Now imagine that this was written by Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott instead of you Would you consider such a post to be anti-semitic? I don't think that's appropriate Smeggy . Let me ask you,how many Jewish people in the UK get arrested/convicted and how many Muslims? Taking into account percentage of convictions to percentage of population. I don't know the answer,but would be willing to bet alot of £s on who has the worse record. There Oldie. |
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Post by baselswh on May 1, 2023 19:45:21 GMT
Ah,that's a fair question Oldie. Smeggy and me have been discussing under the strong assumption it's true. I'll do some 'homework'. No you haven't. Mrs Smegma challenged you on your views, not discussed them. As I have. Now we await your evidence to back up the slander you have written. In any event, the fact that you now admit you have to look for evidence after you posted, proves the point that you are making this stuff up predicated upon your own prejudicial views. Again. From online Firstpost.Sept 2022. UK prisons. Muslims 18% of UK prisoners. 4% UK population. Then Jews Sikhs,Buddhists and Hindus collectively 2.7 of prison population. I think (not sure) Jewish population percentage of UK is about 0.50. Maybe BT would'nt mind posting some statistics if more found. My findings back up my arguement. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on May 1, 2023 22:46:42 GMT
It is one stat that simply proves that those people who profess to be muslim are overrepresented in English and welsh prisons compared to the population. In itself it proves nothing like any of the assumptions, generalisations and stereotypes you are making about muslims
I really despise prejudice of any type because it is a short step from there to the horrendous persecution of minorities we have seen throughout history.
I recently had the good fortune to meet probably the most inspirational person I’ve encountered in my life. A civil servant dedicated to improving work place culture for everyone no matter what colour of skin, faith or any other characteristic they might have. She suffers badly from PTSD as a result of having the s**t kicked out of her on the tube in London by 4 white males aged about 40 and then being slung bodily from the tube as it came into the platform. No-one on the tube did anything to help or intervene. Her crime? Wearing a hijab.
She’d have good reason to fear or even hate white males after that but is insistent that this has only made her even more determined to challenge discrimination wherever she encounters it.
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