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Post by lostinspace on Jun 20, 2024 12:58:16 GMT
This guy is a beauty. He was the main Lawyer for the Post Office. Just listen to him lie that he had not seen this e-mail, he didn't save it to his personal hard drive and he didn't print it off. He claims at the time he did not have the technical expertise to save a file nor print it off. Mr Beer KC can hardly contain his anger at this downright lying. It is there in black & white that he had saved the file and he had printed it off as it's on the Footer of the document! It was printed nine minutes after he received it. Is that perjury,? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 20, 2024 13:36:41 GMT
This guy is a beauty. He was the main Lawyer for the Post Office. Just listen to him lie that he had not seen this e-mail, he didn't save it to his personal hard drive and he didn't print it off. He claims at the time he did not have the technical expertise to save a file nor print it off. Mr Beer KC can hardly contain his anger at this downright lying. It is there in black & white that he had saved the file and he had printed it off as it's on the Footer of the document! It was printed nine minutes after he received it. Is that perjury,? I don't think so. Even though they are sworn in under Oath it is not a criminal case. However, I am pretty sure that testimony given here can be used in a future criminal case. Any legal eagles reading this help us out? It is so obvious this guy is lying through his back teeth. |
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 21, 2024 16:26:22 GMT
Post Office's Horizon system is "very robust" and the only scandal is that the company failed to properly defend it, according to a man tasked with representing sub-postmasters.
George Thomson, the former leader of the National Federation of Sub-Postmasters (NFSP), told a long-running inquiry: "The Horizon system is not the scandal, the Post Office stupidity on steroids handling of the situation is the scandal."
Between 1999 and 2015, more than 900 sub-postmasters were prosecuted for offences including theft on the strength of faulty data from the Horizon IT system.
Christopher Head, a former sub-postmaster, described Mr Thomson's views as "nothing short of abhorrent".
David Enright, a lawyer who has represented hundreds of people in connection with the Post Office, said Mr Thomson's "flat earther defence of the horizon computer system defies credulity".
Talk about going hand in hand!! Incredible.this from the Union who are there to defend and protect you..
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 25, 2024 13:29:54 GMT
ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/4e0b/live/d0d2c390-32f3-11ef-90be-b75b34b0bbb2.jpgFormer Fujitsu engineer Gareth Jenkins says he is "truly sorry" that a sub-postmistress was wrongly convicted In a witness statement, Jenkins says he didn't know Seema Misra was pregnant at the time, which made it "even more tragic" Speaking to the BBC, a tearful Misra says she doesn't accept the apology, adding "he could have done it ages ago" Jenkins - who helped design the faulty software - says he was "confident, possibly wrongly so" that bugs within the Horizon IT system were being fixed quickly Asked if he felt under pressure from the Post Office or lawyers to give evidence which defended Horizon, Jenkins says in some cases "they tried to put words into my mouth" Between 1999 and 2015, more than 900 sub-postmasters were prosecuted on the strength of faulty data from the Horizon IT system
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 25, 2024 16:18:27 GMT
I caught some of his evidence today. Once again we heard, "I didn't see that e-mail", which was sent to him. He was the expert witness at many trials and he claimed that he didn't know people were being sent to prison on his evidence. He claimed not to know the difference between a criminal trial and a civil one. Horizon was his baby and he just couldn't accept (then) that there were flaws in his system. His job title was "distinguished expert" yet he claimed he wasn't an expert! He came across as a Techie sort of guy who couldn't understand the politics of higher management.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 25, 2024 16:29:22 GMT
Let me tell you a story (yeah, Max Bygraves walt!).
I work in an environment where billions of Euros are gambled on a daily basis. If just one customer rings up with a problem we usually identify the problem and fix it within 30 minutes. Usually it is something to do with something that single customer is doing. Now, if five customers ring up with the same problem the alarm bells start ringing, and I mean that quite literally. An alarm will sound in the office and we also have a flashing red light. The whole team has to stop what they are doing and concentrate on the problem, because if five customers are reporting the same thing then it must be something our end ( I think the threshold for the alarm is three customers).
The Post Office had hundreds of customers complaining about the same thing, yet they adopted the position that those hundreds were all wrong, and they were right.
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 26, 2024 7:54:52 GMT
Let me tell you a story (yeah, Max Bygraves walt!). I work in an environment where billions of Euros are gambled on a daily basis. If just one customer rings up with a problem we usually identify the problem and fix it within 30 minutes. Usually it is something to do with something that single customer is doing. Now, if five customers ring up with the same problem the alarm bells start ringing, and I mean that quite literally. An alarm will sound in the office and we also have a flashing red light. The whole team has to stop what they are doing and concentrate on the problem, because if five customers are reporting the same thing then it must be something our end ( I think the threshold for the alarm is three customers). The Post Office had hundreds of customers complaining about the same thing, yet they adopted the position that those hundreds were all wrong, and they were right. And no-one will go to prison. A cover up on a monumental scale. All three major political parties are complicit in this national scandal. That ITV drama at the start of the year has fed nicely into the growing feeling of disenfranchisement. This helps the protest parties - Reform and Greens. Some idiots think that voting Labour will change things for the better. Milk & honey on July 5th. Morons. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 26, 2024 8:03:45 GMT
Let me tell you a story (yeah, Max Bygraves walt!). I work in an environment where billions of Euros are gambled on a daily basis. If just one customer rings up with a problem we usually identify the problem and fix it within 30 minutes. Usually it is something to do with something that single customer is doing. Now, if five customers ring up with the same problem the alarm bells start ringing, and I mean that quite literally. An alarm will sound in the office and we also have a flashing red light. The whole team has to stop what they are doing and concentrate on the problem, because if five customers are reporting the same thing then it must be something our end ( I think the threshold for the alarm is three customers). The Post Office had hundreds of customers complaining about the same thing, yet they adopted the position that those hundreds were all wrong, and they were right. And no-one will go to prison. A cover up on a monumental scale. All three major political parties are complicit in this national scandal. That ITV drama at the start of the year has fed nicely into the growing feeling of disenfranchisement. This helps the protest parties - Reform and Greens. Some idiots think that voting Labour will change things for the better. Milk & honey on July 5th. Morons. and don't forget, Labour have changed !  |
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 26, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
And no-one will go to prison. A cover up on a monumental scale. All three major political parties are complicit in this national scandal. That ITV drama at the start of the year has fed nicely into the growing feeling of disenfranchisement. This helps the protest parties - Reform and Greens. Some idiots think that voting Labour will change things for the better. Milk & honey on July 5th. Morons. and don't forget, Labour have changed ! Yup. Whenever SKS is seen it has the word "change" appears everywhere. It's just all a sick in-joke. |
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 27, 2024 13:50:18 GMT
Junior doctors in England begin five-day walkout..ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/743/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/6/27/458ba1c4-de8d-4ef5-a7de-f9cdd56cbefe.jpgNHS waiting lists have been key a issue throughout this election campaign. Rishi Sunak has previously admitted he has failed to deliver on a pledge to cut NHS waiting lists, saying industrial action "has had an impact". Now junior doctors in England are beginning a strike which is due to end two days before polling day. The doctors' union says it's taking action as there has been no credible new pay offer - it has asked for a 35% increase, to make up for what it says are 15 years of below-inflation rises. Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting has urged junior doctors to call off the strikes and says he's committed to negotiating if elected - but he's also said the money isn't there to increase pay by 35%. Health Secretary Victoria Atkins has said it would not be appropriate to make an offer during the pre-election period, describing the BMA's move as “cynical” and warning it “will harm patients”.
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Post by lostinspace on Jun 29, 2024 9:29:20 GMT
Post office hiding place:"experienced engineer" Gareth Jenkins..joins the " conveniently forgot that" brigade... after 4 days in the hot seat.. again all things point to the PO legal team,and pressure on those who have something to say,also have something to hide ,for seemingly fear of retribution from the PO legal eagles, there is no hiding from this as those pursuing the PO continually open more cans of worms, emanating from ..yes the PO and their unwillingness to admit they are in the wrong...even a script writer could never write something like this and then find out it's actually true ..the mind boggles
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 29, 2024 14:37:56 GMT
Post office hiding place:"experienced engineer" Gareth Jenkins..joins the " conveniently forgot that" brigade... after 4 days in the hot seat.. again all things point to the PO legal team,and pressure on those who have something to say,also have something to hide ,for seemingly fear of retribution from the PO legal eagles, there is no hiding from this as those pursuing the PO continually open more cans of worms, emanating from ..yes the PO and their unwillingness to admit they are in the wrong...even a script writer could never write something like this and then find out it's actually true ..the mind boggles And no-one will go to prison. This country needs reform. "Rip it up and start again". |
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We relied on people telling us the truth, Pat McFadden tells Post Office inquiry..by Nathan Williams and Phelan Chatterjeeichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/ba3b/live/4b899690-44f1-11ef-9e1c-3b4a473456a6.jpgCabinet minister and former postal affairs minister Pat McFadden says politicians were "very reliant" on others telling them the truth as they made decisions about Horizon IT failures He tells the Post Office inquiry that wrong information led to "terrible human consequences for some of the people here" McFadden: I wish I had asked more questions about Post Officeichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2024/7/17/24820e85-30db-409e-b287-29660e428308.jpgPat McFadden was the minister in charge of postal affairs from July 2007 to June 2009. The Horizon accounting system was first rolled out in 1999 - with the first issue reported by sub-postmaster Alan Bates in 2000. Between 1999 and 2015 hundreds of sub-postmasters were prosecuted by the Post Office. McFadden, who was recently appointed Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, has previously spoken about the scandal on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg. Asked whether he wished he asked more questions when he was a minister after the IT scandal emerged, he said: "Of course I do given what happened and the human tragedy of this was awful."
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2024 11:41:49 GMT
We have already heard from witnesses at the enquiry (yes, Paula Vennell, we are looking at you) that the PO had lied to the government.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 18, 2024 12:49:40 GMT
So..now Pat MC Fadden wishes he has asked more questions...what a load of tosh.....more like don't upset the applecart...it means more work..... it'll pass over and noone will say anything....Spud Davey will be exactly the same...just to save their own arses...full of apology and excuses..but ..let's get on with life....
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2024 13:06:46 GMT
So..now Pat MC Fadden wishes he has asked more questions...what a load of tosh.....more like don't upset the applecart...it means more work..... it'll pass over and noone will say anything....Spud Davey will be exactly the same...just to save their own arses...full of apology and excuses..but ..let's get on with life.... The minister's involved, including McFadden and Davey, were happy to sit on their arses, collect the money, accept the rewards while holding that position, and do nothing. The same with the woman (can't remember her name) who was the Chairman of the PO. To be fair she did come across as gormless and she obviously had no idea as to what was going on, but she was happy to accept the salary and accolades that go with the job. She is married to Jack Straw, so we can clearly see how these people get these positions. |
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 18, 2024 16:28:39 GMT
Ed Davey apologises to Alan Bates over ‘poorly judged’ letter at Post Office inquiry..by Nathan Williams and Phelan Chatterjee.ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/1024/cpsprodpb/771e/live/a96fcd70-450e-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.jpgLib Dem leader Ed Davey apologises to campaigner Alan Bates for initially refusing to meet him while serving as postal affairs minister in 2010 In his witness statement, Davey says the letter to Bates was "poorly judged" - he went on to meet him five months later Davey also says he would have "acted differently" if the "Post Office had told the truth"
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2024 19:08:19 GMT
Why is Davey being given an easy ride by the MSM? He went to work for the Post Office's lawyers for five years less than a month after the BBC's Panorama "Trouble at the Post Office" was broadcast in August 2015 and which he has admitted he watched when it was broadcast. He also received £275,000 from them.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 19, 2024 12:33:00 GMT
So ladies and gentlemen today we have the RT Honourable Jo Swinson MP....and to keep it simple " I wish I hade intervened more" ....so again more tosh and excuses of failing to do your well paid job correctly...
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