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Post by oldie on Sept 6, 2024 21:53:09 GMT
đ Not sure I follow,but I've already stated I may like the film. McCarthy is synonymous with 'Reds under the beds', I have the impression you see wokery in a similar light. Hope you enjoy the film, be interested I'm your review. God You are polite when faced with the overt racism on display here |
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Post by oldie on Sept 6, 2024 21:55:54 GMT
I can't see the issue here. It might be an interesting perspective, just like a film about the black servants working in 18th Century Britain would be. It can't be judged as 'woke', whatever that is, until it's been viewed. Jumping to conclusions about something just because a black director has made a film about a black person isn't constructive debate. To the point We cannot debate the merits of a film until we have had chance to actually see it. I laughed out loud at Baldrick's reference to Joe McCarthy, the recipient clearly had no idea who that was. The pure ignorance on display here is quite stunning |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 6, 2024 22:16:21 GMT
McCarthy is synonymous with 'Reds under the beds', I have the impression you see wokery in a similar light. Hope you enjoy the film, be interested I'm your review. That's what I suspected you were getting at.Who is under your bed Balders? Yes,it'll be interesting to see the film. I hope it's a genuine view point of a mixed race child,on the Blitz. I hope it is'nt some left wing nonsense that attempts to take anything away from the horrors Londoners faced,often with great courage and spirit. I don't trust eg Black History Month ( a strange event ) ,then add BLM and you can have a recipe for exaggeration,lies and racism.Sometimes good factual history and that I applaud. Nothing under my bed, I've got a divan. Seriously though, I hope it gives a better representation than some of the films we've had in the past, especially some of the Hollywood productions. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 1:39:17 GMT
Basel's point is this..and it's a valid one! After just looking quickly on Google, apparently there were between 8,000 and 10,000 black people living in the UK during WW2 out of a UK population of around 50 million, a tiny number. Compare that to the 2.4 million black people that now live here today, out of a population that is officially 70 million...but realistically our population is 5- 10 million higher than that. This film should represent the population back then given statistics, not just rewrite history to fit into the woke narrative of today. It's not racist to say this as it's fact....as its more racist to tell lies about our past even in a film. No problem with Bas's ratio, it's pretty true. However I doubt you would agree that telling a story on film should be decided on the percentage it represents. If a story is worth telling then it's irrelevant. What I was getting at is if a filmmaker wants to get across the spirit of the Blitz than can still be faithful. If a filmmaker has a particular angle to tell a story, then that can still be realistic. Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The  or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 1:47:35 GMT
Basel's point is this..and it's a valid one! After just looking quickly on Google, apparently there were between 8,000 and 10,000 black people living in the UK during WW2 out of a UK population of around 50 million, a tiny number. Compare that to the 2.4 million black people that now live here today, out of a population that is officially 70 million...but realistically our population is 5- 10 million higher than that. This film should represent the population back then given statistics, not just rewrite history to fit into the woke narrative of today. It's not racist to say this as it's fact....as its more racist to tell lies about our past even in a film. No problem with Bas's ratio, it's pretty true. However I doubt you would agree that telling a story on film should be decided on the percentage it represents. If a story is worth telling then it's irrelevant. What I was getting at is if a filmmaker wants to get across the spirit of the Blitz than can still be faithful. If a filmmaker has a particular angle to tell a story, then that can still be realistic. I get that, and say this film was made 15/20 years ago then I believe it would have much more substance to it then today,and that's due to everything now needing to be 'woke' and controlled by the people continuing to push that narrative. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 7, 2024 6:02:51 GMT
No problem with Bas's ratio, it's pretty true. However I doubt you would agree that telling a story on film should be decided on the percentage it represents. If a story is worth telling then it's irrelevant. What I was getting at is if a filmmaker wants to get across the spirit of the Blitz than can still be faithful. If a filmmaker has a particular angle to tell a story, then that can still be realistic. Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. "Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white." I have heard this argument before. I asked the guy who was making it (this was face to face) "What do you do when you see a commercial? Count the number of non white faces?" Personally I don't think I notice, it's not relevant. If I read a book (old fashioned, I know) I see the author's name but I don't I wonder what colour his or her skin is, that would be bizarre, weird even. For me, to judge a character, a book, a film or a person face to face on the colour of their skin is the epitome of deep seated racism. This film in question, I think nobody has seen. Nobody has any idea of the plot or the characters involved. But it is being judged on the basis that the lead actors / plot characters have black skin. How utterly stupid does that sound |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 7, 2024 7:21:53 GMT
No problem with Bas's ratio, it's pretty true. However I doubt you would agree that telling a story on film should be decided on the percentage it represents. If a story is worth telling then it's irrelevant. What I was getting at is if a filmmaker wants to get across the spirit of the Blitz than can still be faithful. If a filmmaker has a particular angle to tell a story, then that can still be realistic. Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. A growing number of commercials for domestic cleaners or appliances show men doing the chores, that doesn't reflect reality either. |
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Post by Cheshiregas on Sept 7, 2024 8:19:52 GMT
A new film coming out soon,"Blitz". Directed by Steve McQueen. It's an apparently a true representation of a working class family 1940,London. The film is seem through the eyes of a black child. Sounds like more woke bulls**t. "True representation ". When has any film been historically accurate? Very few are totally historically factual. Braveheart, The Patriot, , etc for starters are historically incorrect. Mostly a good time for a bit of Brit bashing. And John Wayne seems to have won the West and most of the modern days wars..... Many Americans believe from Saving Private Ryan [which contains some of the most historically accurate beach scenes] that only they were involved in the Normandy landings. Films can and are interpreted in many different ways, that's why its classed as art not historical fact. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 7, 2024 8:30:30 GMT
A new film coming out soon,"Blitz". Directed by Steve McQueen. It's an apparently a true representation of a working class family 1940,London. The film is seem through the eyes of a black child. Sounds like more woke bulls**t. "True representation ". When has any film been historically accurate? Very few are totally historically factual. Braveheart, The Patriot, , etc for starters are historically incorrect. Mostly a good time for a bit of Brit bashing. And John Wayne seems to have won the West and most of the modern days wars..... Many Americans believe from Saving Private Ryan [which contains some of the most historically accurate beach scenes] that only they were involved in the Normandy landings. Films can and are interpreted in many different ways, that's why its classed as art not historical fact. And What has skin colour got to do with it? |
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Post by trymer on Sept 7, 2024 8:42:08 GMT
No problem with Bas's ratio, it's pretty true. However I doubt you would agree that telling a story on film should be decided on the percentage it represents. If a story is worth telling then it's irrelevant. What I was getting at is if a filmmaker wants to get across the spirit of the Blitz than can still be faithful. If a filmmaker has a particular angle to tell a story, then that can still be realistic. Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. I got an advert from Fred Perry in my junk mail the other day and there werent any white models in the pictures shown,I think that FP are deliberately doing it to distance themselves from the 'proud boys' in America who wore certain FP polo shirts. Interesting about the film thats been mentioned,I suppose a lot of people might not watch a WW2 film anyway as its all been done to death so they have an idea to introduce a black character as some new angle ? |
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Post by trymer on Sept 7, 2024 8:49:31 GMT
A new film coming out soon,"Blitz". Directed by Steve McQueen. It's an apparently a true representation of a working class family 1940,London. The film is seem through the eyes of a black child. Sounds like more woke bulls**t. "True representation ". When has any film been historically accurate? Very few are totally historically factual. Braveheart, The Patriot, , etc for starters are historically incorrect. Mostly a good time for a bit of Brit bashing. And John Wayne seems to have won the West and most of the modern days wars..... Many Americans believe from Saving Private Ryan [which contains some of the most historically accurate beach scenes] that only they were involved in the Normandy landings. Films can and are interpreted in many different ways, that's why its classed as art not historical fact. I agree that the beach scenes in saving private Ryan seemed realistic and were said to be so by veterans, Das Boot and the battle scenes from Cross of Iron seemed properly done too, I would also say that 'the Firm' Gary Oldman seemed to reflect what I saw or knew to happen. I was told by a film buff once that films are not documentaries when I complained about non realistic scenes, they are mostly for entertainment,the problem is that a lot of people seem to only learn 'history' from watching films. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 7, 2024 8:51:30 GMT
When has any film been historically accurate? Very few are totally historically factual. Braveheart, The Patriot, , etc for starters are historically incorrect. Mostly a good time for a bit of Brit bashing. And John Wayne seems to have won the West and most of the modern days wars..... Many Americans believe from Saving Private Ryan [which contains some of the most historically accurate beach scenes] that only they were involved in the Normandy landings. Films can and are interpreted in many different ways, that's why its classed as art not historical fact. I agree that the beach scenes in saving private Ryan seemed realistic and were said to be so by veterans, Das Boot and the battle scenes from Cross of Iron seemed properly done too, I would also say that 'the Firm' Gary Oldman seemed to reflect what I saw or knew to happen. I was told by a film buff once that films are not documentaries when I complained about non realistic scenes, they are mostly for entertainment,the problem is that a lot of people seem to only learn 'history' from watching films. "he problem is that a lot of people seem to only learn 'history' from watching films." An issue we see manifest itself on here all too often |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 7, 2024 9:16:03 GMT
Regarding the D Day scenes in The Saving Of Private Ryan,apparently the sound department recorded bullets being shot into dead pigs to get that authentic sound.
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Post by baldrick on Sept 7, 2024 9:37:57 GMT
Regarding the D Day scenes in The Saving Of Private Ryan,apparently the sound department recorded bullets being shot into dead pigs to get that authentic sound. They did. One flaw from the beach scene was that the landing craft would have been piloted by RN and RM, not US soldiers and sailors. I've also seen suggested the velocity of rounds hitting the water may have lost some of their power and the deaths were more poetic licence. Don't know if anyone can confirm either way. The best historical film I've seen is Master and Commander, it's fiction but the accuracy in the age of sail is as good as you are going to get. Amistad is another, but that had the Americans as the bad guys and us as the good guys. đ |
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Post by baselswh on Sept 7, 2024 9:51:35 GMT
Regarding the D Day scenes in The Saving Of Private Ryan,apparently the sound department recorded bullets being shot into dead pigs to get that authentic sound. They did. One flaw from the beach scene was that the landing craft would have been piloted by RN and RM, not US soldiers and sailors. I've also seen suggested the velocity of rounds hitting the water may have lost some of their power and the deaths were more poetic licence. Don't know if anyone can confirm either way. The best historical film I've seen is Master and Commander, it's fiction but the accuracy in the age of sail is as good as you are going to get. Amistad is another, but that had the Americans as the bad guys and us as the good guys. đ Master and Commander.I enjoyed the 20 novels Baldrick,although fiction ,they were based on a real Royal Navy man.An absolute hero.Lord Thomas Cochrane. Incredible man. Film was very good,agreed. Cochranes exploits were right up there with Horatio,but Tom did'nt attend the right parties and was slow to pay his tax bill etc.Otherwise he would be more known in GB. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 11:36:37 GMT
Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. "Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white." I have heard this argument before. I asked the guy who was making it (this was face to face) "What do you do when you see a commercial? Count the number of non white faces?" Personally I don't think I notice, it's not relevant. If I read a book (old fashioned, I know) I see the author's name but I don't I wonder what colour his or her skin is, that would be bizarre, weird even. For me, to judge a character, a book, a film or a person face to face on the colour of their skin is the epitome of deep seated racism. This film in question, I think nobody has seen. Nobody has any idea of the plot or the characters involved. But it is being judged on the basis that the lead actors / plot characters have black skin. How utterly stupid does that sound Oldie you are completely right, I also never see colour or ethnicity,or judge someone based on their chosen faith if they have one. Rather, I make my judgement based on their character and personality,and along with their ability do a job like here the subject that we are discussing...So in this case, it is this person the best one to act in this role... My point again, is that not with a black person getting a role in a fictional WW2 role,I couldn't care in that regard.My issue is the WOKE movement continuously changing the boundaries of what's normal,or factual, or trying to rewrite history to fit their narrative they are pushing. It's the same with the Trans movement etc.. |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 11:37:36 GMT
Some of my favorite actors are black. Denzel Washington, Morgan freeman..etc. My issue is not with Black people or any others minority having top level roles in films or TV shows as many are incredible actors/actresses. My problem is with the Woke agenda trying to brainwashing us, by rewriting history and putting ethnic minorities in places where it's wasn't the case. Studios and directors are congratulated for having a diverse cast and are condemned for having a cast thatâs âtoo whiteâ. The or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country. Look at TV commercials today..95% of them will have at least one ethnic minority in them, and very few white couples, most couple's are normally mixed.And it's not a true reflection of society in terms of our population where 81% are white. A growing number of commercials for domestic cleaners or appliances show men doing the chores, that doesn't reflect reality either. I like to clean..! |
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Post by baldrick on Sept 7, 2024 11:41:30 GMT
A growing number of commercials for domestic cleaners or appliances show men doing the chores, that doesn't reflect reality either. I like to clean..! My wife and I share household responsibility. She makes the mess and I do the tidying. đ |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 11:48:33 GMT
I agree that the beach scenes in saving private Ryan seemed realistic and were said to be so by veterans, Das Boot and the battle scenes from Cross of Iron seemed properly done too, I would also say that 'the Firm' Gary Oldman seemed to reflect what I saw or knew to happen. I was told by a film buff once that films are not documentaries when I complained about non realistic scenes, they are mostly for entertainment,the problem is that a lot of people seem to only learn 'history' from watching films. "he problem is that a lot of people seem to only learn 'history' from watching films." An issue we see manifest itself on here all too often The only film that I learnt any history from was JFK with Kevin Costner. I first watched it in about 1995, and never really knew anything about the Cuban missile crisis,nor the cold war before that. After watching that film many times since, I started to study the subject extensively by reading books and watching hundreds of documentary on how close we came in October 1962. I remember my dad saying that the whole world thought that was the end. Was anyone on here alive at the time,or can remember it? |
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2024 11:50:51 GMT
My wife and I share household responsibility. She makes the mess and I do the tidying. đ One of my long term past relationships was the exactly the same.đĽ´đ |
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or The Lord of the Rings could never be made today with their original casts. The modern goal is (' to have a cast that looks Multicultural') even if the movie is set in a different period or country.