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Post by thecyclist on Aug 23, 2014 22:02:47 GMT
As usual no answers to my questions but out come Kevin Spencers lapdogs. For those who say the 3 points are not important - they are the most important part of the football club because I can assure you that if we pick up enough of those 3 points over the season to get promoted then nobody will worry about the Board or if Kevin Spencer can watch the gas. Failure on the pitch results in criticism of the Board-Success on the pitch results in the Board being totally in the background. KS was banned for continually criticising the club via this forum's predecessor and as an ex Director of BRFC that was considered inappropriate behaviour. Given shortly after the ban KS deleted his forum account, thereby removing his posts, then the forum itself was closed down, I'm guessing NH must have had a point? Although this whole saga has now dragged on far too long and I can't understand why NH can't just resolve the issue. I'm very sorry but that is total nonsense.
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Post by zfc on Aug 23, 2014 22:05:28 GMT
A so called tin pot reporter you couldn`t wait to speak to last week in order to plug your book.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 23, 2014 22:05:32 GMT
Why are you so defensive of Kevin Spencer and why is this so important? He is one person. Why was he banned and nobody else? If he did absolutely nothing wrong then why has he been banned? A simple question Mr Spencer-There is no smoke without fire- What did you do to get banned? . It seems that Football is no longer the important part of this forum but instead the politics of the club. It seems results are not important unless they give something to criticise the Board. I fail to see why Geoff couldn't come up with his own questions or is the truth he has no real interest other than to get brownie points. The only points I am interested in are the 3 points for a win and one for a draw and the performance of the team. Perhaps a few more should take more notice of this and less of the politics and maybe ,just maybe this club can go forward again. Are you also a fan of North Korea as well by any chance?
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Post by thecyclist on Aug 23, 2014 22:10:55 GMT
I think at that point you refuse to pay the analyst's invoice as they are clearly and demonstrably incompetent. Explaining to Higgs that he's clueless and the best thing would be to try to sell the FC may be better advice than simply decommissioning, for a variety of reasons. Remember, he get's approached all the time by people wanting to invest and / or take over. The BoD have done what was requested and taken the advice of the independent review that a minority of fans have demanded. A majority of fans may have wanted it but there is no evidence they have demanded it. Oh you don't agree with the outcome. That is your prerogative but they have done what you wanted. Demand a review with another outcome. There was no independent review. Mr Higgs was asked about this at the SC EGM and seemed surprised that people would think there was a need for it.
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Post by thecyclist on Aug 23, 2014 22:48:03 GMT
I had quite a good afternoon one way or another bouyed by the result if not by the performance. Then I listened to the interview, quite staggering.
I've read with some disbelief the critique aimed by the 'Nickanistas' at Geoff Twentyman's line of questioning. Apparently he got it all from this forum and he was quite beastly about asking a question regarding the banning of Kevin Spencer. I am open mouthed and beyond angry at what the chairman had to say about that subject. Sometimes it is better to say nothing, Geoff Dunford always understood that, just take the bullets and things will fade.
This interview sounded like a suicide note by a man in denial about everything.
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Post by intheknow on Aug 23, 2014 22:53:21 GMT
KS was banned for continually criticising the club via this forum's predecessor and as an ex Director of BRFC that was considered inappropriate behaviour. Given shortly after the ban KS deleted his forum account, thereby removing his posts, then the forum itself was closed down, I'm guessing NH must have had a point? Although this whole saga has now dragged on far too long and I can't understand why NH can't just resolve the issue. I'm very sorry but that is total nonsense. It's pretty much how I remembered things
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Post by thecyclist on Aug 23, 2014 23:19:42 GMT
I'm very sorry but that is total nonsense. It's pretty much how I remembered things What do you remember? The account of Topper Gas is not accurate. The closure of the previous forum came long after Kevin Spencer was banned. Nick Higgs brandished e-mails at a Supporters Club AGM shortly after the letter was given to Kevin. Some people present at the meeting saw the e-mails that Nick had. Kevin Spencer has never had that 'evidence' presented to him. How many more times does this have to be said?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 0:15:08 GMT
Why are you so defensive of Kevin Spencer and why is this so important? He is one person. Why was he banned and nobody else? If he did absolutely nothing wrong then why has he been banned? A simple question Mr Spencer-There is no smoke without fire- What did you do to get banned? . It seems that Football is no longer the important part of this forum but instead the politics of the club. It seems results are not important unless they give something to criticise the Board. I fail to see why Geoff couldn't come up with his own questions or is the truth he has no real interest other than to get brownie points. The only points I am interested in are the 3 points for a win and one for a draw and the performance of the team. Perhaps a few more should take more notice of this and less of the politics and maybe ,just maybe this club can go forward again.# As usual no answers to my questions but out come Kevin Spencers lapdogs. For those who say the 3 points are not important - they are the most important part of the football club because I can assure you that if we pick up enough of those 3 points over the season to get promoted then nobody will worry about the Board or if Kevin Spencer can watch the gas. Failure on the pitch results in criticism of the Board-Success on the pitch results in the Board being totally in the background. OK (I am also going to copy all this and paste it to you as a PM as you also seem to not be able to reply to replies to your own questions. I also like things to be out there so everybody can see it). You went fishing! and I am going to bite! first of all I am not a lap dog to anybody!!!! I will admit that I like Kevin, I have meet him a few times,I am a friend of his on social media as we also like a few things not football related as well. Why is his ban important to me? well simple really, he loves Rovers with a passion (like us all I would hope). He was part of a team that had different ideas to help the club progress. I like a lot of other fans looked at these ideas and thought they were great, unfortunately things did not work out. Well to put it bluntly things became horrible, a low point in the history of the club in fact. Other ex directors (and please do not take this the wrong way) drifted out of the limelight of the club,some still linked to football. Kevin stayed in touch with his gas friends. It might sound silly but I feel the ban was not just on Kevin but the (hate saying it, 50 internet warriors, and that saying I still think comes from the 50 or so people that helped distribute the agenda for change leaflets), so I see it a ban on us all. What is wrong with Geoff Twentyman getting questions from the forum? he is a journalist, and I am sure that all journalists would use all forms of media available to them. It just so happens that since the club closed down it's own official forum this one is the largest. So please do not say nobody answers your questions as I have on a few occasions but you have not replied. I take no pleasure in taking a strong point, I have friends that want nothing to do with the politics of this club but they know that I have to be true to myself and I have and always will question it (as that is the way I am). This forum is for all, it would have been so simple for me just to delete your account and ban your email address from re-registering but why would I want to do that? you are a Rovers fan so we are in this together, like it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 1:42:06 GMT
As usual no answers to my questions but out come Kevin Spencers lapdogs. For those who say the 3 points are not important - they are the most important part of the football club because I can assure you that if we pick up enough of those 3 points over the season to get promoted then nobody will worry about the Board or if Kevin Spencer can watch the gas. Failure on the pitch results in criticism of the Board-Success on the pitch results in the Board being totally in the background. KS was banned for continually criticising the club via this forum's predecessor and as an ex Director of BRFC that was considered inappropriate behaviour. Given shortly after the ban KS deleted his forum account, thereby removing his posts, then the forum itself was closed down, I'm guessing NH must have had a point? Although this whole saga has now dragged on far too long and I can't understand why NH can't just resolve the issue. youd be guessing wrong
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Post by jozer on Aug 24, 2014 2:11:42 GMT
As usual no answers to my questions but out come Kevin Spencers lapdogs. For those who say the 3 points are not important - they are the most important part of the football club because I can assure you that if we pick up enough of those 3 points over the season to get promoted then nobody will worry about the Board or if Kevin Spencer can watch the gas. Failure on the pitch results in criticism of the Board-Success on the pitch results in the Board being totally in the background. Do you seriously see no connection between the shambolic way the club is run and our ongoing failure to pick up enough points in L1, L2 or (so far) the Conference? Seriously? Heard it so many times "when we start winning you lot will shut up". well when we start winning we'll see. Let me know when we start winning, will you?
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Post by c13 on Aug 24, 2014 6:34:53 GMT
I cannot believe all of the 8-or-80 approaches I see in this forum.
POINT #1: The club has been managed in a shambolic way: from loan debts to empty promises ("relegation is not an option, the "top-to-bottom review", the new players, the UWE...), to lack of communication - and then, evolution to miscomunication, which is just as worse -, to mistreating of fans and, if you want to include it, censorship by closing down the forum, which, mind you, hosted the F.F.S., which was a very legitimate, smart and club-friendly way of pumping money into the club.
POINT #2: Nick Higgs is no Adolf Hitler. He has been in charge of this club for years and has been using some of his money too to keep us running. If anything, he is clueless, incompetent and out of his depth. But he is not a convicted murderer or anything - no need to blindly call for the guy's head. If he is still our chairman we have to act properly and demand things in -> ANY <- LEGITIMATE way we can - be it regarding club matters, football matters or his resignation altogether -, not just go around cursing at every single thing he does.
POINT #3: Geoff Twentyman is a journalist. As a journalist myself, I can say that it is NOT wrong to look into a club forum for questions regarding the interviewee. He is basically becoming a relevant voice for the fans. And this pre-prepared questions stuff? F**k that. If Premier League clubs have that privilege, f***ing good for them, but we are what we are and Nick Higgs must face the cameras - if anything, he has a major role in the fact that we are so far away from said league. Twentyman sounded angry? Well, 1) Why wouldn't he? The guy even came so far as to blame the media for his position being jeopardized; 2) Higgs is a political figure ffs. He has to be able to deal with people. If anything, he should've tried to rise above the journalist's alleged anger. But no, he just stood there bumbling and tripping over his words, why? BECAUSE HE HAS NO CLUE. End of.
POINT #4: The team's performances have been complete garbage. And the blame for this goes to many parties and we're going to run them from the bottom. First, the PLAYERS. Parkes, McChrystal, Brunt, etc., not to mention some of the new guys, haven't been even a shadow of what they should be at this level. So someone has to get the best out of them, and who is that? The MANAGER, Darrell Clarke, which has been proving, time and time again, that we might have overestimated him (even though I still have hope) with his tinkering tactical inconsistency. However, it is true that Clarke has been struggling with the budget he works with, which is allegedly one of the largest in the Conference. Now, who is it that gives DC the bucks? The BOARD. The end result? Yes, ALL ENTITIES ARE RELATED TO PITCH PERFORMANCES IN SOME WAY.
POINT #5: Even if the team starts overperforming - which can happen - and play their way through all the crisis and drama that BRFC has been living over the last few years, does that make everything okay? The answer is NOT AT ALL. Why? 1) Moving up to the Football League again is nothing short of an OBLIGATION being a club of our stature; 2) Things will not fix themselves. After all, the Board have proven to us that they are not good enough, so what can assure us that they'll suddenly mature overnight if we start winning?
POINT #6: Blindly Support Our Team!! vs. Not Attend A Single Game!!: please stop. The club needs the attendance income, the players need your support and by being there you can protest before kickoff, at halftime and after the final whistle in many ways. Just be creative.
That is all.
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 24, 2014 6:59:21 GMT
cant Nick Higgs and Kevin Spencer just be grown up enough to meet chat shake hands and get on with MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES
Otherwise many words, hours and resentments will continue which frankly is doing more harm than good..it makes Rovers fans look like naughty school kids.
LETS MOVE ONTO HELPING THIS HISTORIC CLUB BACK INTO TO THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 24, 2014 8:02:05 GMT
re posts above on why ban came about it certainly is nonsense, the Board claimed Kevin had in fact been banned over 5 years ago and it had only just come to their attention he was attending games again, and they presented a letter to him then. In fact they claim the ban was in place many years before Kevin left the forum. This despite the fact they had continually been sending him ticket to his home address throughout the period they claimed not to know he was attending games, both paid for and complimentary for his son in law an ex player to use when in town. Also in that period they claimed not to know he was attending games he was in the bar half way up the big stand which was frequently visited by many directors pre game and one of 5-6 people at the bar and hardly credible they could claim not to have seen him. So if people want to carry on swallowing Board members lies on the subject carry on, one day you will realise why our club is sinking at same pace of as the .......and this whole double speak on Kevin Spencer is just an obvious symptom of the bigger issues which are causing that failure. For god's sake if they cant even get the banning of one bloke right, and give a simple explanation without making up so many 'facts' and condradicting themselves time and time again, how on earth can you think they can run a complex business like a football club with out completely tying themselves in knots
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Post by basel on Aug 24, 2014 8:05:13 GMT
This saga is another embarrassment to the Rovers. It is another contributor towards making Rovers a miserable and rubbish football club.
I've told myself that if the UWE is not delivered and there is no obvious and believable alternative (eg Waitrose buying Mem coupled with compensation cash from Sainsbury)i'm going to become a now and again attendee or possibly pack it in.
The club is just so unsocial,so tense,so amateur,childishly egotistical,insecure, bitter and twisted. These negatives spring from Box 1.
It really is about time the Board just told Kevin (written or spoken) that he is allowed back to the Mem for Rovers games.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 24, 2014 9:47:14 GMT
As usual no answers to my questions but out come Kevin Spencers lapdogs. For those who say the 3 points are not important - they are the most important part of the football club because I can assure you that if we pick up enough of those 3 points over the season to get promoted then nobody will worry about the Board or if Kevin Spencer can watch the gas. Failure on the pitch results in criticism of the Board-Success on the pitch results in the Board being totally in the background. If you have been reading, you will know the issue is no one knows as the club have provided no evodence regarding Kev. Either produce it or lift the ban. Not fecking hard is it
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Post by RiversGas on Aug 24, 2014 9:53:59 GMT
The BoD have done what was requested and taken the advice of the independent review that a minority of fans have demanded. A majority of fans may have wanted it but there is no evidence they have demanded it. Oh you don't agree with the outcome. That is your prerogative but they have done what you wanted. Demand a review with another outcome. There was no independent review. Mr Higgs was asked about this at the SC EGM and seemed surprised that people would think there was a need for it. I know there was no independent review. This was a comment I made in furtherance of previous posts further up the thread, but didn't want to create more confusion by continually reposting previous posts.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 24, 2014 11:09:35 GMT
NH is very much in the say it enough times and you start to beleive it yourself. Trouble is no one is falling for it.
I was in the centenary bar chatting to a fan i dont know from Adam and he was appaled by what NH was coming out with
But its all the fault of someone else
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Post by gas2 on Aug 24, 2014 11:58:44 GMT
he has backed his managers with money he said 200 k we got for lambert has gone on wages and more players coming in next week
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 24, 2014 12:02:02 GMT
cant Nick Higgs and Kevin Spencer just be grown up enough to meet chat shake hands and get on with MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES Otherwise many words, hours and resentments will continue which frankly is doing more harm than good..it makes Rovers fans look like naughty school kids. LETS MOVE ONTO HELPING THIS HISTORIC CLUB BACK INTO TO THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Harry Have you been living in a bubble old son? They have met shook hands and KS is waiting for NH to get back with the relevant evidence. As copies of so called emails have been waved around like the papers of Munich they shouldn't be difficult to find....... We all want to move on.....
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 24, 2014 12:31:31 GMT
cant Nick Higgs and Kevin Spencer just be grown up enough to meet chat shake hands and get on with MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES Otherwise many words, hours and resentments will continue which frankly is doing more harm than good..it makes Rovers fans look like naughty school kids. LETS MOVE ONTO HELPING THIS HISTORIC CLUB BACK INTO TO THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Harry Have you been living in a bubble old son? They have met shook hands and KS is waiting for NH to get back with the relevant evidence. As copies of so called emails have been waved around like the papers of Munich they shouldn't be difficult to find....... We all want to move on..... Cheshire my young whipper snapper ....you appear to have lost sense of reality ...I guess you cannot get radio Bristol up in leafy Cheshire but NH said he was willing for Kevin to meet him ....NO NEED to produce recordings of phone calls, text messages, video evidence ...lets get real here Cheshire cat ...its not GCHQ, MI5 or MI6 involved here ...no conspiracy theory or smoke from the grassy knole ..just two it appears stubborn men who need to resolve this without anymore delay ...and we can move onto a new more constructive subject like ...how to encourage stay away fans to return to the Mem for instance
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