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Post by bluetornados on Nov 9, 2022 16:50:57 GMT
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 9, 2022 17:02:53 GMT
The Russians are reported as leaving Kherson as I type! Looks like you were right Nobby, if a little premature. 49m ago 16.12 GMT Russia orders troops to leave Ukrainian city of Kherson Pjotr Sauer Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu has ordered the country’s troops to leave Ukraine’s city of Kherson, the only regional capital Moscow captured since the invasion began in February. Ukrainian victory in Kherson, one of the main objectives of Kyiv’s southern offensive, will be widely seen as a significant blow to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, only weeks after a high-profile ceremony in Moscow in which he announced the “forever” annexation of Kherson region along with three other regions.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 9, 2022 18:43:56 GMT
The Russians are reported as leaving Kherson as I type! Looks like you were right Nobby, if a little premature. 49m ago 16.12 GMT Russia orders troops to leave Ukrainian city of Kherson Pjotr Sauer Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu has ordered the country’s troops to leave Ukraine’s city of Kherson, the only regional capital Moscow captured since the invasion began in February. Ukrainian victory in Kherson, one of the main objectives of Kyiv’s southern offensive, will be widely seen as a significant blow to the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, only weeks after a high-profile ceremony in Moscow in which he announced the “forever” annexation of Kherson region along with three other regions. As I said earlier the Ukes didn't need to attack Kherson. Far too costly in lives. All they had to do was threaten to cut it off and the Russians would have to leave. That is what they have done. Old military thinking, attack the weak points, and then the strong points become weak points. Some old Chinese geezer once said:-)
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 10, 2022 17:43:33 GMT
i sometimes get the impression that the invaders are defending themselves or being eliminated by their own captured hardware than they are from actual Ukraine stuff .... the amount of captured tanks and rocket launchers being captured is astounding
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 11, 2022 9:46:30 GMT
It appears as though the russians are attempting a fighting retreat from Kherson. This is an extremely complex thing for an army to do and requires huge amounts of discipline. It becomes even more difficult when you announce it in advance! As expected, it's becoming a rout. There are limited ways out of Kherson for the russians. The Ukes have destroyed the bridges, so the russians are dependent on flat ferries to get men and equipment across and there are not too many of these available. The results is mass panic and crowding of men and equipment at the crossing points. As the russian pocket decreases the Ukes are advancing meaning that even the smaller artillery pieces are now being brought into play. The Uke artillery is increasing in intensity in an ever decreasing russian pocket. One thing to remember is that the entire russian military doctrine is based on moving forward. The just don't train for defensive actions. As inept as they appear, they are even worse off in a defensive posture because they have never even thought about it before. Attempting it on the hoof is not going to work. The Ukes have to be careful. I don't expect them to flood Kherson with troops. The russians will have left behind a log of 'surprises' in the form of booby traps and IED's. Plus, Kherson will still be range of the russian artillery. As they are leaving Kherson, I expect the russians to attempt to flatten it. It's the russian mindset. "If we can't have it, we'll destroy it!" I still expect the russians to get bounced again, but this time from the East. The Uke High Command understand they now have the momentum. They will not let it stop. It doesn't mean you have to conduct large scale offensives, but just keep applying the pressure. The russians may well form a defensive line behind the Dnieper, sit down and breath a huge sigh of relief, but the threat will then come from their right side.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 11, 2022 10:03:43 GMT
It appears as though the russians are attempting a fighting retreat from Kherson. This is an extremely complex thing for an army to do and requires huge amounts of discipline. It becomes even more difficult when you announce it in advance! As expected, it's becoming a rout. There are limited ways out of Kherson for the russians. The Ukes have destroyed the bridges, so the russians are dependent on flat ferries to get men and equipment across and there are not too many of these available. The results is mass panic and crowding of men and equipment at the crossing points. As the russian pocket decreases the Ukes are advancing meaning that even the smaller artillery pieces are now being brought into play. The Uke artillery is increasing in intensity in an ever decreasing russian pocket. One thing to remember is that the entire russian military doctrine is based on moving forward. The just don't train for defensive actions. As inept as they appear, they are even worse off in a defensive posture because they have never even thought about it before. Attempting it on the hoof is not going to work. The Ukes have to be careful. I don't expect them to flood Kherson with troops. The russians will have left behind a log of 'surprises' in the form of booby traps and IED's. Plus, Kherson will still be range of the russian artillery. As they are leaving Kherson, I expect the russians to attempt to flatten it. It's the russian mindset. "If we can't have it, we'll destroy it!"I still expect the russians to get bounced again, but this time from the East. The Uke High Command understand they now have the momentum. They will not let it stop. It doesn't mean you have to conduct large scale offensives, but just keep applying the pressure. The russians may well form a defensive line behind the Dnieper, sit down and breath a huge sigh of relief, but the threat will then come from their right side. Interesting thoughts Nobby.👍 By withdrawing and taking the criticism and embarrassment at home that they will I am presuming that the Russians will be withdrawing and leaving a destroyed infrastructure, no-go areas because they will have mined much of the areas and generally left a desolate and destroyed land. It will take generations to build it back up and overcome what has happened to it. So the Russians will perhaps tell it as mission accomplished insofaras Ukraine will have been irreparably damaged for a generation or more with what’s happened.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 11, 2022 11:17:48 GMT
It appears as though the russians are attempting a fighting retreat from Kherson. This is an extremely complex thing for an army to do and requires huge amounts of discipline. It becomes even more difficult when you announce it in advance! As expected, it's becoming a rout. There are limited ways out of Kherson for the russians. The Ukes have destroyed the bridges, so the russians are dependent on flat ferries to get men and equipment across and there are not too many of these available. The results is mass panic and crowding of men and equipment at the crossing points. As the russian pocket decreases the Ukes are advancing meaning that even the smaller artillery pieces are now being brought into play. The Uke artillery is increasing in intensity in an ever decreasing russian pocket. One thing to remember is that the entire russian military doctrine is based on moving forward. The just don't train for defensive actions. As inept as they appear, they are even worse off in a defensive posture because they have never even thought about it before. Attempting it on the hoof is not going to work. The Ukes have to be careful. I don't expect them to flood Kherson with troops. The russians will have left behind a log of 'surprises' in the form of booby traps and IED's. Plus, Kherson will still be range of the russian artillery. As they are leaving Kherson, I expect the russians to attempt to flatten it. It's the russian mindset. "If we can't have it, we'll destroy it!"I still expect the russians to get bounced again, but this time from the East. The Uke High Command understand they now have the momentum. They will not let it stop. It doesn't mean you have to conduct large scale offensives, but just keep applying the pressure. The russians may well form a defensive line behind the Dnieper, sit down and breath a huge sigh of relief, but the threat will then come from their right side. Interesting thoughts Nobby.👍 By withdrawing and taking the criticism and embarrassment at home that they will I am presuming that the Russians will be withdrawing and leaving a destroyed infrastructure, no-go areas because they will have mined much of the areas and generally left a desolate and destroyed land. It will take generations to build it back up and overcome what has happened to it. So the Russians will perhaps tell it as mission accomplished insofaras Ukraine will have been irreparably damaged for a generation or more with what’s happened. They have to withdraw. Their logistic chain has been practically broken. The russian leadership may well hail it as a success as they eliminated the *Nazis/NATO/Homosexuals/Satanists/Druids from that area, thereby saving the Russian people. (* delete where appropriate). The dumb russian population will lap it up. This may well be the russian Dunkirkski. They may get men across the river, but they can probably kiss goodbye to all their heavy equipment/supplies/ammo etc. As I said, the ever decreasing pocket of russian defences, the ever increasing density of artillery being fired into that pocket, well, it doesn't take a military genius to figure out it's not going to be a happy place for russians. One interesting point is that soon large areas of the Crimea will come into the Uke artillery range.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 11, 2022 13:32:32 GMT
Yes I’m sure you’re accurate in your reading if it. Putin now fighting two wars, the physical, combative war in Ukraine and the propaganda war to a more domestic audience. If it’s going bad in the former in Ukraine he will absent himself from negative decisions, leave it to the Generals to draw the criticism and concentrate on the propaganda stuff and portray himself how he wants. Much like his absence from the briefings regarding the withdrawal from Kherson. If the Crimea comes under fire by the Ukraine, given what Putin has said about Russian ‘territory’ being attacked it will be more than interesting to see what his response would be. As winter sets to kick in throughout Eastern Europe it could be a very hard winter for Russians if the economic sanctions bite even more.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 11, 2022 13:45:28 GMT
Yes I’m sure you’re accurate in your reading if it. Putin now fighting two wars, the physical, combative war in Ukraine and the propaganda war to a more domestic audience. If it’s going bad in the former in Ukraine he will absent himself from negative decisions, leave it to the Generals to draw the criticism and concentrate on the propaganda stuff and portray himself how he wants. Much like his absence from the briefings regarding the withdrawal from Kherson. If the Crimea comes under fire by the Ukraine, given what Putin has said about Russian ‘territory’ being attacked it will be more than interesting to see what his response would be. As winter sets to kick in throughout Eastern Europe it could be a very hard winter for Russians if the economic sanctions bite even more. Yep. You may have noticed that putin has disappeared from the tv screens etc in the last week. He has distanced himself from this disaster. I've no doubt that at some point he will address the russian people to proclaim he has been let down by the military and intelligence services. They fed him false information, and if russia follows him again, he will sort it all out and return russia to being a premier military nation. It'll be the ole "Not my fault Guv. The big boys did it and ran away" defence.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 12, 2022 7:10:11 GMT
It appears as though the russians are attempting a fighting retreat from Kherson. This is an extremely complex thing for an army to do and requires huge amounts of discipline. It becomes even more difficult when you announce it in advance! As expected, it's becoming a rout. There are limited ways out of Kherson for the russians. The Ukes have destroyed the bridges, so the russians are dependent on flat ferries to get men and equipment across and there are not too many of these available. The results is mass panic and crowding of men and equipment at the crossing points. As the russian pocket decreases the Ukes are advancing meaning that even the smaller artillery pieces are now being brought into play. The Uke artillery is increasing in intensity in an ever decreasing russian pocket. One thing to remember is that the entire russian military doctrine is based on moving forward. The just don't train for defensive actions. As inept as they appear, they are even worse off in a defensive posture because they have never even thought about it before. Attempting it on the hoof is not going to work. The Ukes have to be careful. I don't expect them to flood Kherson with troops. The russians will have left behind a log of 'surprises' in the form of booby traps and IED's. Plus, Kherson will still be range of the russian artillery. As they are leaving Kherson, I expect the russians to attempt to flatten it. It's the russian mindset. "If we can't have it, we'll destroy it!"I still expect the russians to get bounced again, but this time from the East. The Uke High Command understand they now have the momentum. They will not let it stop. It doesn't mean you have to conduct large scale offensives, but just keep applying the pressure. The russians may well form a defensive line behind the Dnieper, sit down and breath a huge sigh of relief, but the threat will then come from their right side. By withdrawing and taking the criticism and embarrassment at home that they will I am presuming that the Russians will be withdrawing and leaving a destroyed infrastructure, no-go areas because they will have mined much of the areas and generally left a desolate and destroyed land. It will take generations to build it back up and overcome what has happened to it. You say this, but history tells you that it ain`t necessarily so. I lived and worked in Germany, 30 years after the end of WW2. From Frankfurt northwards, I visited most of Germany`s main cities that were obliterated during the war. Three decades later, there was already no trace that this had ever happened.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 13, 2022 13:51:20 GMT
By withdrawing and taking the criticism and embarrassment at home that they will I am presuming that the Russians will be withdrawing and leaving a destroyed infrastructure, no-go areas because they will have mined much of the areas and generally left a desolate and destroyed land. It will take generations to build it back up and overcome what has happened to it. You say this, but history tells you that it ain`t necessarily so. I lived and worked in Germany, 30 years after the end of WW2. From Frankfurt northwards, I visited most of Germany`s main cities that were obliterated during the war. Three decades later, there was already no trace that this had ever happened. Yes perhaps, as you say not necessarily so, but I’d still say that repairing Ukraine will take generations. And specifically the world and the general recovery in Europe post 45 enabled recovery of Germany to take place. This particular war is nowhere near over and is unlikely to be anytime soon. Not sure we’ve even seen the worst that Putin and Russia could do yet. I hope I’m wrong and you’re right.
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 15, 2022 20:31:34 GMT
reports of a suspected russian missile falling on a farm in Poland with the loss of 2 lives,the farm is close to the Ukraine border, NATO is awaiting a response from the ruskies as to the reason of this,as Poland is a NATO member this could cause a bit of a situation,
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Post by Cheshiregas on Nov 16, 2022 9:18:13 GMT
Interesting comments from Uncle Joe.... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/poland-missile-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-saysPoland missile ‘unlikely’ to have been fired from Russia, Biden says US president says trajectory of missile suggests it was not launched by Russian forces waging war in Ukraine but will await results of investigation Joe Biden has said the missile that landed in Poland, killing two people, was unlikely to have been fired from Russia due to its trajectory. The US president was speaking at the G20 meeting in Bali, Indonesia, after convening an emergency meeting of western leaders to discuss the explosion on Nato territory that has the potential to take the war in Ukraine into a new even more dangerous dimension. Asked if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: “There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate. But it is unlikely in the minds [sic] of its trajectory that it was fired from Russia.” He added: “But we will see, we will see.”
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 16, 2022 9:50:43 GMT
Interesting comments from Uncle Joe.... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/poland-missile-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-saysPoland missile ‘unlikely’ to have been fired from Russia, Biden says US president says trajectory of missile suggests it was not launched by Russian forces waging war in Ukraine but will await results of investigation Joe Biden has said the missile that landed in Poland, killing two people, was unlikely to have been fired from Russia due to its trajectory. The US president was speaking at the G20 meeting in Bali, Indonesia, after convening an emergency meeting of western leaders to discuss the explosion on Nato territory that has the potential to take the war in Ukraine into a new even more dangerous dimension. Asked if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: “There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate. But it is unlikely in the minds [sic] of its trajectory that it was fired from Russia.” He added: “But we will see, we will see.” The boffins will be going over the wreckage to determine exactly what type of weapon it was. They will find bits of it and look for things like seriel numbers etc. Some are saying that was possibly an Air Defence missile fired by the Ukes, but the large hole in the ground would count that out I think. AD missiles do not carry large warheads. They tend to target the area around the aircraft, peppering it with shrapnel. Once they determine the type of weapon, then they can work out where it came from. Was it land launched? Air launched? What was the range of that particular weapon? Once they have that info they can come to an informed decision.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 17, 2022 10:33:08 GMT
Interesting comments from Uncle Joe.... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/16/poland-missile-unlikely-to-have-been-fired-from-russia-biden-saysPoland missile ‘unlikely’ to have been fired from Russia, Biden says US president says trajectory of missile suggests it was not launched by Russian forces waging war in Ukraine but will await results of investigation Joe Biden has said the missile that landed in Poland, killing two people, was unlikely to have been fired from Russia due to its trajectory. The US president was speaking at the G20 meeting in Bali, Indonesia, after convening an emergency meeting of western leaders to discuss the explosion on Nato territory that has the potential to take the war in Ukraine into a new even more dangerous dimension. Asked if the missile was fired from Russia, Biden said: “There is preliminary information that contests that. I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate. But it is unlikely in the minds [sic] of its trajectory that it was fired from Russia.” He added: “But we will see, we will see.” Once they determine the type of weapon, then they can work out where it came from. Was it land launched? Air launched? What was the range of that particular weapon? Once they have that info they can come to an informed decision. The Americans say that they already know the trajectory of the missile/rocket. That being the case, would they not be able to establish the position from which it was fired? If it was the Ukranians who fired it, then surely there must have been a malfunction of catastrophic proportions? Presumably they were aiming either north, south or east, to intercept incoming Russian missiles, but their missile flew west before exploding. What would cause that to happen? A lot more to this than we`re being told, methinks. Also, it`s suits all sides; Russians, Ukrainians and Nato, to stick to the positions that they`ve taken over this incident.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 24, 2022 7:33:47 GMT
Well, that all went very quiet very quickly. Whatever the truth of the missile strike, NATO`s immediate response to blame Ukraine and absolve Russia, ( without offering a shred of evidence either way), will have been noted with satisfaction in Moscow.
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Post by Nobbygas on Nov 24, 2022 8:46:29 GMT
Well, that all went very quiet very quickly. Whatever the truth of the missile strike, NATO`s immediate response to blame Ukraine and absolve Russia, ( without offering a shred of evidence either way), will have been noted with satisfaction in Moscow. The bottom line is that by now they all know who fired it and where it probably came from. The Ukes are still adamant that it came from the Russians. NATO indicate that it didn't. Is this a case of putin giving NATO a poke to judge their reaction with NATO indicating that they are not going to war over a couple of missiles. Will putin now escalate that by landing even more missiles somewhere else, and once again testing NATO's reaction? There is also the real possibility that being so far West that they came from Belarus, which will add a completely different angle. It's a big game being played out.
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Post by alftupper on Nov 25, 2022 7:35:44 GMT
Well, that all went very quiet very quickly. Whatever the truth of the missile strike, NATO`s immediate response to blame Ukraine and absolve Russia, ( without offering a shred of evidence either way), will have been noted with satisfaction in Moscow. Is this a case of putin giving NATO a poke to judge their reaction with NATO indicating that they are not going to war over a couple of missiles. Will putin now escalate that by landing even more missiles somewhere else, and once again testing NATO's reaction? Personally, I think that`s exactly what happened, and what will happen.
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Post by lostinspace on Dec 3, 2022 12:17:40 GMT
In his desperation for a "fighting force" the madman and his cohorts have now turned to recruiting some of the "ultras" of the football hooligans that cause havoc within the ruskies football league.... novel idea i suppose... but ultimately it's more death and carnage within their own ranks
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Post by alftupper on Dec 5, 2022 9:49:08 GMT
In his desperation for a "fighting force" the madman and his cohorts have now turned to recruiting some of the "ultras" of the football hooligans that cause havoc within the ruskies football league.... What sort of country have we become? We once ruled three quarters of the world. Are we now so enfeebled that we can`t send a few of our own hoolies, to take them on? Heart-breaking. Get the ICF out there. And the Zulus, Bushwackers, Headhunters, Service Crew, Gas Hit Squad etc etc. They don`t like it up `em, you know....
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