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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2022 9:28:43 GMT
Nobby Are there any effective air defence systems against missile attacks? Yes there are. Unfortunately it is one of the weapons systems that is not being sent to the Ukrainians. There are some systems, like the German Gepard, that has been supplied but only 15 units have been sent. There is a reluctance by the West to send the top range kit. My opinion is that the politicians want to degrade the Russian military, but they are fearful of humiliating Russia. They want Russia to lose, but not too badly as the fear of going nuclear hangs over everyone. With that in mind most of the kit sent tends to be older stuff. Cruise missiles are sub-sonic. They are not that quick and fly low. With enough of the right equipment it can be quite easy to intercept them. Right. Thanks. I wonder out loud if we can sit back and witness the Russians just bomb the Ukrainians into ashes, the tactics they used in Syria. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 11, 2022 12:36:33 GMT
Yes there are. Unfortunately it is one of the weapons systems that is not being sent to the Ukrainians. There are some systems, like the German Gepard, that has been supplied but only 15 units have been sent. There is a reluctance by the West to send the top range kit. My opinion is that the politicians want to degrade the Russian military, but they are fearful of humiliating Russia. They want Russia to lose, but not too badly as the fear of going nuclear hangs over everyone. With that in mind most of the kit sent tends to be older stuff. Cruise missiles are sub-sonic. They are not that quick and fly low. With enough of the right equipment it can be quite easy to intercept them. Right. Thanks. I wonder out loud if we can sit back and witness the Russians just bomb the Ukrainians into ashes, the tactics they used in Syria. I don't think they can do that. The Ukrainians have a tendency to fire back ! Counter Battery Fire: I'm not expert, but here's my tiny bit of knowledge about it. So, the Ukrainians (and Russians) will respond if attacked by artillery. They will have radar/sensor thingys that detect the incoming shells. The computer will very quickly work out the trajectory of the shells and therefore work out where they came from. You then instruct your own artillery to fire on that target. This means you cannot just line-up your artillery to batter the opponent, as the Russians normally plan for. That may work against Syrians, but if they tried the same in Ukraine they would die. Nowadays you have to shoot and scoot. The Russians rely heavily on their masses of artillery, however, that tactic is a bit outdated. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 11, 2022 13:28:45 GMT
Right. Thanks. I wonder out loud if we can sit back and witness the Russians just bomb the Ukrainians into ashes, the tactics they used in Syria. I don't think they can do that. The Ukrainians have a tendency to fire back ! Counter Battery Fire: I'm not expert, but here's my tiny bit of knowledge about it. So, the Ukrainians (and Russians) will respond if attacked by artillery. They will have radar/sensor thingys that detect the incoming shells. The computer will very quickly work out the trajectory of the shells and therefore work out where they came from. You then instruct your own artillery to fire on that target. This means you cannot just line-up your artillery to batter the opponent, as the Russians normally plan for. That may work against Syrians, but if they tried the same in Ukraine they would die. Nowadays you have to shoot and scoot. The Russians rely heavily on their masses of artillery, however, that tactic is a bit outdated. Right. Ah well, pretty horrific all round. |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 11, 2022 18:39:02 GMT
there's efficiency for you...... rather horrific if you were on the receiving end
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 11, 2022 19:49:58 GMT
there's efficiency for you...... rather horrific if you were on the receiving end Madness parking the vehicles so close together. It shows a lack of training, discipline and tactical awareness. In fact it's rank amateurish. |
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 11, 2022 19:57:06 GMT
there's efficiency for you...... rather horrific if you were on the receiving end Madness parking the vehicles so close together. It shows a lack of training, discipline and tactical awareness. In fact it's rank amateurish. Stems from the top.... |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 12, 2022 14:10:24 GMT
Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked. Russia says it has detained eight people in connection with Saturday's explosion on a key bridge linking Russia to Crimea. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63225947 |
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2022 15:19:06 GMT
Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked. Russia says it has detained eight people in connection with Saturday's explosion on a key bridge linking Russia to Crimea. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63225947We all read that. No need to clog the forum |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 12, 2022 16:07:48 GMT
Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked. Russia says it has detained eight people in connection with Saturday's explosion on a key bridge linking Russia to Crimea. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63225947We all read that. No need to clog the forum Don't you think it's interesting that of the eight, five are quoted to be "Russians" ? |
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 12, 2022 16:46:35 GMT
Crimea bridge attack arrests as market in Donetsk region attacked. Russia says it has detained eight people in connection with Saturday's explosion on a key bridge linking Russia to Crimea. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63225947We all read that. No need to clog the forum An empty stomach is not a good political adviser.... |
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2022 16:59:25 GMT
We all read that. No need to clog the forum Don't you think it's interesting that of the eight, five are quoted to be "Russians" ? Very I did and do and would have said so, if I was going to post a copy and paste story |
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2022 17:00:25 GMT
We all read that. No need to clog the forum An empty stomach is not a good political adviser.... Confucius say"Man with nothing to say, best say nothing" |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 12, 2022 17:36:37 GMT
There is something really strange about the Kersch Bridge explosion. Below is the official FSB release showing the truck they say was involved, and the scan of the truck before it crossed the bridge. There are security checkpoints on both sides of the bridge where vehicles get scanned. If you look, the lorry in the photo is not the same as in the scan. The lorry has double rear wheels on the cab, the scanned one only has one. The lorry has a straight edge along the bottom of the trailer, the scanned one rises up near the front. Is it because they just don't want to admit that it was caused by the Ukrainians?  My opinion is that it was not caused by a missile strike. The damage shown rules that out. I believe the explosion came from below and 'lifted' the road sections up and as they fell they dropped. I think the 'wave' caught on camera gives that game away. The really strange thing is why that train was stopped at that exact point at that moment in time? Trains don't usually stop on a bridge, or at least that is what my friend, Train Spotter Malcolm tells me. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 12, 2022 18:03:03 GMT
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Day 224 of my 3 day war. Russian army is holding the line. It's just that the "line" keeps moving towards Russia.
I remain a master strategist.
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Post by oldie on Oct 12, 2022 18:19:41 GMT
Darth Putin @darthputinkgb · Oct 5 Day 224 of my 3 day war. Russian army is holding the line. It's just that the "line" keeps moving towards Russia. I remain a master strategist. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2022 18:42:21 GMT
Darth Putin @darthputinkgb · Oct 5 Day 224 of my 3 day war. Russian army is holding the line. It's just that the "line" keeps moving towards Russia. I remain a master strategist. News reports suggest the Russians are evacuating Kherson. How on earth can Putin cover that up? |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 13, 2022 19:48:04 GMT
Darth Putin @darthputinkgb · Oct 5 Day 224 of my 3 day war. Russian army is holding the line. It's just that the "line" keeps moving towards Russia. I remain a master strategist. News reports suggest the Russians are evacuating Kherson. How on earth can Putin cover that up? He will claim that the Russians are victoriously retreating and the Ukrainians are running after them in a blind panic ! |
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2022 20:02:05 GMT
News reports suggest the Russians are evacuating Kherson. How on earth can Putin cover that up? He will claim that the Russians are victoriously retreating and the Ukrainians are running after them in a blind panic ! 😂😂 |
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 14, 2022 9:04:07 GMT
News reports suggest the Russians are evacuating Kherson. How on earth can Putin cover that up? He will claim that the Russians are victoriously retreating and the Ukrainians are running after them in a blind panic ! The Russians are now between the rock and the hard place regarding Kherson. They have their best units holding Kherson, however, to their East the Ukrainians are pushing them back every day. It Russia do nothing then their forces around Kherson will eventually be cut off. Once cut off any strongpoint will become a weak point. They have two options. A/Move units from Kherson to bolster the East or B/retreat to the Crimea. If they do A then that weakens the defences around Kherson. If they choose B then in my opinion that will lead to the end of Putin. I don't see how he can remain in power if that were to happen. They could also go for broke or as Americans say, the Hail Mary Pass. Reports that large numbers of Russian troops have entered Belarus. They may attempt to take Kyiv again with an attack from Belarus. They would hope that this would lead to Ukraine withdrawing troops from the South (Kherson area) which will ease the pressure for them there. However, after months of the Ukrainians preparing their defences in anticipation of such an attack it will not go well for the Russians. I have mentioned before about the "Third Armoured Brigade" that Ukraine are rumoured to have up their sleeve. They may be holding them back as a reserve for such an eventuality. |
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