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Post by oldie on Sept 22, 2022 7:55:05 GMT
Oh god. Are we actually celebrating our capacity for mutual mass destruction? No. Good. I would imagine those that have seen active service and it's outcomes would be repelled by the thought of armed conflict. I say "imagine" because I have been lucky enough to have not been a witness to it.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 22, 2022 11:03:36 GMT
Good. I would imagine those that have seen active service and it's outcomes would be repelled by the thought of armed conflict. I say "imagine" because I have been lucky enough to have not been a witness to it. a case of being "ever ready" as the geezer is losing the plot, he needs to blame someone for his inadequecies[sp]? and that currently is UK ..USA and the EU as sponsors of war , they got in the way of his 3 day "steamroller"
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Post by Nobbygas on Sept 23, 2022 18:14:54 GMT
Listen out for news around the Lyman area. Apparently a large force of Russians are surrounded and cut off.
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 25, 2022 20:08:23 GMT
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Post by bluetornados on Sept 30, 2022 10:31:37 GMT
Ukraine war: Many dead as rockets hit civilian convoy in Zaporizhzhia.ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8E58/production/_126904463_8fe2776c-1c15-46f1-a6d7-5984fa68c8aa.jpg.webpAt least 23 people have been killed and dozens more injured in a Russian rocket strike on a humanitarian convoy in south Ukraine, local officials say. A huge crater next to a row of vehicles in the city of Zaporizhzhia testifies to the violence of the attack. Windows and windscreens have been smashed in. The BBC saw half a dozen bodies lying at the scene, apparently civilians. Baggage and coats strewed the tarmac. One shocked survivor told the BBC she heard at least three explosions. Reacting to the attack in the early hours of Friday on the outskirts of the regional capital of the Zaporizhzhia region, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia was a "state-terrorist". He said Russia launched 16 rockets on the city, and vowed to punish perpetrators for "every lost Ukrainian life". Meanwhile, a Russian-installed local official blamed Ukraine for the attack. The convoy was hit as people were preparing to travel to the Russian-occupied part of the region to pick up their relatives and also deliver humanitarian aid. Near the missile's impact crater, the BBC spoke to Kateryna Holoborod, sat on her suitcase in a state of shock. 'We arrived in a line, to join a column going towards Kherson," she said. "We got out to see what number we had in the queue. Then the first rocket hit, behind the wagons. "We dropped to the ground. Then the second one hit in the centre of the queue. There was glass everywhere, people screaming and running. I don't remember much. "It was very scary. I then got up to see what happened, help the injured. I tried to help an injured young man when the third explosion happened."
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 1, 2022 18:50:41 GMT
There has been a bloodbath around Lyman. The Ukrainians left one road open for the Russians to leave. This was a 10 mile straight road with no cover on either side. It was a perfect kill zone. The Ukrainians have now re-taken Lyman. Other reports suggest the Russians are retreating in panic throughout the sector. Russian losses are reported to be 'huge'.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 1, 2022 18:57:12 GMT
There has been a bloodbath around Lyman. The Ukrainians left one road open for the Russians to leave. This was a 10 mile straight road with no cover on either side. It was a perfect kill zone. The Ukrainians have now re-taken Lyman. Other reports suggest the Russians are retreating in panic throughout the sector. Russian losses are reported to be 'huge'. It goes to show that the Ukranians are playing a fair game in allowing the Russians to leave via the 10 mile straight road to safety. I doubt the same outcome would have occured if the size 10 boots of the Russians were on the other foot. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63102220
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 1, 2022 19:26:06 GMT
There has been a bloodbath around Lyman. The Ukrainians left one road open for the Russians to leave. This was a 10 mile straight road with no cover on either side. It was a perfect kill zone. The Ukrainians have now re-taken Lyman. Other reports suggest the Russians are retreating in panic throughout the sector. Russian losses are reported to be 'huge'. It goes to show that the Ukranians are playing a fair game in allowing the Russians to leave via the 10 mile straight road to safety. I doubt the same outcome would have occured if the size 10 boots of the Russians were on the other foot. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63102220It wasn't a road to safety. It was a kill zone and an awful lot of raping, murderous, thieving Russians were killed. They were offered the chance to surrender. Some did, some didn't. It was described in one report as a "turkey shoot".
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 1, 2022 19:31:49 GMT
It goes to show that the Ukranians are playing a fair game in allowing the Russians to leave via the 10 mile straight road to safety. I doubt the same outcome would have occured if the size 10 boots of the Russians were on the other foot. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63102220It wasn't a road to safety. It was a kill zone and an awful lot of raping, murderous, thieving Russians were killed. They were offered the chance to surrender. Some did, some didn't. It was described in one report as a "turkey shoot". I stand corrected.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 2, 2022 21:45:23 GMT
Kherson is now the centre of attention. Ukraine now have the initiative. They decide when and where they attack. The Russians can only respond. It now looks as though wherever Ukraine apply pressure, the Russians crack. If Kherson falls the Russians could be looking at losing 20,000+ troops. If that happens then the Crimea will fall to the Ukranians as well.
Russia has lost this war. The only thing to decide is how long this will drag out and how many people will die.
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2022 12:28:43 GMT
Keep your eye on Kherson in the next couple of days. Why is this important? It's because this is where the cream of the Russian army are. Things appear to be happening.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 3, 2022 12:56:48 GMT
Keep your eye on Kherson in the next couple of days. Why is this important? It's because this is where the cream of the Russian army are. Things appear to be happening. Do you think Putin,panicked and cornered,would eg use chemical weapons Nobby?
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2022 17:18:05 GMT
Keep your eye on Kherson in the next couple of days. Why is this important? It's because this is where the cream of the Russian army are. Things appear to be happening. Do you think Putin,panicked and cornered,would eg use chemical weapons Nobby? This is the problem Basel. Nothing has gone as he planned. He is cornered and his only way out is to retreat, but we all know the Ukes will not stop until they have reclaimed all their land including the Crimea. If that were to happen Putin would be finished. So, he's in a hole which is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way out for him. He has lost and he knows it, therefore nobody can predict how he will react. However, and this is just my personal opinion, I think he will resort to CW before he goes nuclear. Going nuclear will piss off the Chinese and the last thing he needs is for the Chinese to get involved in the East, plus going nuclear will unleash the full might of NATO. I would think that NATO has a complete bundle of strike packages all ready to go at any moment. I don't think NATO will respond with nuclear if Russia used a tactical nuclear device within Ukraine. However, if that were to happen then NATO will strike with the full might of their conventional forces. What nobody knows are the communications going on in the background between Russia and NATO.
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Post by lostinspace on Oct 3, 2022 18:16:19 GMT
I noticed that the Czech 's have " crowdfunded' an upgraded Russo tank to the value of Β£1.17 million, dubbed it "Thomas" ready in time to send "gifts" to Putin for his 70th birthday on the 7th October i believe π
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Post by oldie on Oct 3, 2022 18:52:13 GMT
Let's just hope that the Russian people rise up and ditch this absolute moron. Then, we can all become friends again an allow our economies to co-exist under a common legal framework. Nationalism eh, who needs it.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 3, 2022 18:58:54 GMT
Do you think Putin,panicked and cornered,would eg use chemical weapons Nobby? This is the problem Basel. Nothing has gone as he planned. He is cornered and his only way out is to retreat, but we all know the Ukes will not stop until they have reclaimed all their land including the Crimea. If that were to happen Putin would be finished. So, he's inΒ a hole which is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way out for him. He has lost and he knows it, therefore nobody can predict how he will react. However, and this is just my personal opinion, I think he will resort to CW before he goes nuclear. Going nuclear will piss off the Chinese and the last thing he needs is for the Chinese to get involved in the East, plus going nuclear will unleash the full might of NATO. I would think that NATO has a complete bundle of strike packages all ready to go at any moment. I don't think NATO will respond with nuclear if Russia used a tactical nuclear device within Ukraine. However, if that were to happen then NATO will strike with the full might of their conventional forces. What nobody knows are the communications going on in the background between Russia and NATO. Thanks. π€π
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Post by Nobbygas on Oct 3, 2022 21:59:51 GMT
Let's just hope that the Russian people rise up and ditch this absolute moron. Then, we can all become friends again an allow our economies to co-exist under a common legal framework. Nationalism eh, who needs it. Why do you think Putin has not closed the borders to stop men fleeing the draft? It's because he sees these people as potential opposition. He is happy to see them leave. There are plenty of other men to replace them. The Russian people have no say in who leads them. They never have.
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 3, 2022 23:25:16 GMT
Do you think Putin,panicked and cornered,would eg use chemical weapons Nobby? This is the problem Basel. Nothing has gone as he planned. He is cornered and his only way out is to retreat, but we all know the Ukes will not stop until they have reclaimed all their land including the Crimea. If that were to happen Putin would be finished. So, he's in a hole which is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way out for him. He has lost and he knows it, therefore nobody can predict how he will react. However, and this is just my personal opinion, I think he will resort to CW before he goes nuclear. Going nuclear will piss off the Chinese and the last thing he needs is for the Chinese to get involved in the East, plus going nuclear will unleash the full might of NATO. I would think that NATO has a complete bundle of strike packages all ready to go at any moment. I don't think NATO will respond with nuclear if Russia used a tactical nuclear device within Ukraine. However, if that were to happen then NATO will strike with the full might of their conventional forces. What nobody knows are the communications going on in the background between Russia and NATO. Maybe they will find him in some bunker far underground and that will be the end of another infamous DESPOT in the annals of history.
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2022 6:23:51 GMT
Let's just hope that the Russian people rise up and ditch this absolute moron. Then, we can all become friends again an allow our economies to co-exist under a common legal framework. Nationalism eh, who needs it. Why do you think Putin has not closed the borders to stop men fleeing the draft? It's because he sees these people as potential opposition. He is happy to see them leave. There are plenty of other men to replace them. The Russian people have no say in who leads them. They never have. My post was more in hope than with any confident that any of that will happen. The horrific reality of what is going on, on the ground, however is sanitised in no small degree by banner headlines depicting Ukrainian gains and Russian losses.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Oct 4, 2022 8:15:30 GMT
Let's just hope that the Russian people rise up and ditch this absolute moron. Then, we can all become friends again an allow our economies to co-exist under a common legal framework. Nationalism eh, who needs it. Why do you think Putin has not closed the borders to stop men fleeing the draft? It's because he sees these people as potential opposition. He is happy to see them leave. There are plenty of other men to replace them. The Russian people have no say in who leads them. They never have. There appears to be a battle going on in the Kremlin between hardliners who are angry that Putin's horrorfest is failing as they enjoyed the horrific destruction and [in their eyes] success in Syria and want him to go all out [or inevitably get rid] and those who realise that it is an abject failure and Russia cannot now win. They are losing at home and away. The problem they have is that no Russian leader [as far as I have read] has ever given up annexed land willingly. Putin won't go quietly. Sadly, as Oldie says, the horror on the ground is yet to be seen although the graves being found as Russia retreats depict things that the ordinary civilian cannot imagine.
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