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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 11, 2023 9:25:33 GMT
There has been something quite disturbing going on especially in the last few weeks. There are many videos taken from drones showing wounded Russians topping themselves instead of being captured and treated. This has increased in frequency a lot in the last few weeks. It makes you wonder what propaganda they've been exposed to.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 11, 2023 9:30:22 GMT
for Biden to be like that or any other president for that matter who is in their later years of life,you have to blame the US system, you get what you allow and have to put up with the consequences, plenty of moaners both Dems' and Trump bandwagoners all moan and take the p8ss out of him, there should be an age cut off for a position of this significance in a country with so much clout in the world Watching videos of Biden he seems to have been confused for decades although he does seem to have got a lot worse. A dangerous state of affairs,if the people around Biden are influencing him they have immense power,they could be being paid by arms manufacturers to continue or even ramp up the war in Ukraine ! Two of the youngest Presidents were Clinton and Kennedy,what a sleezy pair, so youth isnt always the answer. This is actually quite worrying. It is obvious that Biden is President in name only. He obviously has some serious mental stuff going on. The US will always shout about Democracy, but with Biden being so ill, just who is in charge? Who are the people pulling the strings? Don't forget, for the so-called Defender's of Democracy, whoever is in charge has not been elected.
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Post by bluetornados on Jul 11, 2023 13:44:59 GMT
Ukraine war: Russian ex-navy commander shot dead while jogging in Krasnodar..By George Wright, BBC News.i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article30437812.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/2_PAY-Stanislav-Rzhitsky-14-east2west-news.jpgA former Russian submarine captain who worked as a mobilisation officer has been shot dead while jogging in the southern Russian city of Krasnodar, according to local media. Stanislav Rzhitsky, 42, was shot dead on Monday by an unidentified gunman, Russia's state-run Rossiya 1 reported. Several Russian media outlets speculated he may have been tracked via his profile on the Strava fitness app. Russian authorities have started an investigation into the killing. The country's Investigative Committee - the equivalent of the US FBI - said a murder probe has been launched and that officials would seek to "establish all the circumstances of the incident, as well as the person who committed the crime and his motives". The former Naval officer was shot in the back and the chest by an unidentified gunman while he was taking his morning jog in a park near the Olimp sports centre, Russian daily newspaper Kommersant reported. Baza, a Russian Telegram channel with close ties to the police, reported that the killer could have tracked Cpt Rzhitsky's runs on Strava as he regularly followed the same route while running. A BBC Verify analysis of Cpt Rzhitsky's profile - which is public - shows that he frequently ran through the area where he is reported to have been killed. Facial analysis carried out by the BBC confirmed the profile belonged to Cpt Rzhitsky. His address and personal details had also been uploaded to the Ukrainian website Myrotvorets (Peacemaker), a vast unofficial database of people considered to be enemies of Ukraine. The word "Liquidated", in red letters, has now been superimposed on his photograph on the site. In a statement, Ukraine's military intelligence said the park was deserted due to heavy rain, "so there are no witnesses who could provide details or identify the attacker". Anton Gerashchenko, a Ukrainian interior ministry adviser, tweeted that Russian media were accusing Ukraine of involvement but he did not say whether that suspicion was justified. "So far Russian police cannot find a single surveillance camera that would show the crime being committed. The search continues," he said. Cpt Rzhitsky's watch and headphones were found at the scene, indicating robbery was not the motive, according to Russian news outlet Mash. He reportedly commanded the Krasnodar submarine, named after the city, in the Russian Navy. Ukrainian media has said he could have been in command of the vessel when it carried out a missile attack on the Ukrainian city of Vinnytsia in July 2022, which killed 23 people, including three children. The Ukrainian government said the attack came from Kalibr cruise missiles launched from a submarine in the Black Sea. But Baza has quoted Cpt Rzhitsky's father saying that his son resigned from the Russian armed forces in December 2021 - before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. He subsequently became the deputy mobilisation officer in the Krasnodar region.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 11, 2023 15:18:40 GMT
Watching videos of Biden he seems to have been confused for decades although he does seem to have got a lot worse. A dangerous state of affairs,if the people around Biden are influencing him they have immense power,they could be being paid by arms manufacturers to continue or even ramp up the war in Ukraine ! Two of the youngest Presidents were Clinton and Kennedy,what a sleezy pair, so youth isnt always the answer. This is actually quite worrying. It is obvious that Biden is President in name only. He obviously has some serious mental stuff going on. The US will always shout about Democracy, but with Biden being so ill, just who is in charge? Who are the people pulling the strings? Don't forget, for the so-called Defender's of Democracy, whoever is in charge has not been elected. wasn't that much the same with Reagan.... in position in name only ,others pulling the strings and guiding him along, though you have to admire what his presidency achieved, his collaboration with Gorbachev certainly calmed east west relationships .
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Post by oldie on Jul 11, 2023 17:28:27 GMT
This is actually quite worrying. It is obvious that Biden is President in name only. He obviously has some serious mental stuff going on. The US will always shout about Democracy, but with Biden being so ill, just who is in charge? Who are the people pulling the strings? Don't forget, for the so-called Defender's of Democracy, whoever is in charge has not been elected. wasn't that much the same with Reagan.... in position in name only ,others pulling the strings and guiding him along, though you have to admire what his presidency achieved, his collaboration with Gorbachev certainly calmed east west relationships . You need to ask the good folk of Cleveland, Detroit and Pennsylvania what they thought of Reagan's supply side economics. You will not get much admiration there. Plus, he cut taxes but carried on spending which left the deficit ratio as one of the worse ever. Did anyone mention supplying arms to Saddam Hussein? No? Or supplying arms to terrorists in South America? No? Brilliant that. Even stranger how some parrot the Daily Mail and vote for the likes of Boris Johnson, Donald Trump and of course Brexit. Ignorance or is that deemed offensive?
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Post by trymer on Jul 11, 2023 17:41:20 GMT
Watching videos of Biden he seems to have been confused for decades although he does seem to have got a lot worse. A dangerous state of affairs,if the people around Biden are influencing him they have immense power,they could be being paid by arms manufacturers to continue or even ramp up the war in Ukraine ! Two of the youngest Presidents were Clinton and Kennedy,what a sleezy pair, so youth isnt always the answer. This is actually quite worrying. It is obvious that Biden is President in name only. He obviously has some serious mental stuff going on. The US will always shout about Democracy, but with Biden being so ill, just who is in charge? Who are the people pulling the strings? Don't forget, for the so-called Defender's of Democracy, whoever is in charge has not been elected. Strange how our politicians tell us how important democracy is,we saw how important it was to them the day after Brexit when a lot of them wanted a second referendum. Democracy seems to come down to voting for the least worst alternative..but if not democracy what's the alternative ? Who is in charge of USA ?..well the arms makers seem to be the only people making a profit so maybe they are setting the agenda.
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Post by trymer on Jul 11, 2023 17:56:10 GMT
A lot has been said about cluster bombs but very little about butterfly mines. The Russians have spread Butterfly mines in front of their positions by mortat,shells and possibly helicopters and drones,maybe millions of them and they will be a hazard for years.
These minefields could be several kilometres deep and the Ukes have a hard job to clear a way through them whilst under artillery fire spotted by drones,I think that most armies would struggle with this situation,probably the last time the British army encountred minefields that deep was second Alamein battle.
Maybe a lot of the old tanks being given to the Ukes could be converted to mine clearance...be even better if they could be robots operated by someone in a safe place.
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Post by oldie on Jul 11, 2023 18:15:09 GMT
This is actually quite worrying. It is obvious that Biden is President in name only. He obviously has some serious mental stuff going on. The US will always shout about Democracy, but with Biden being so ill, just who is in charge? Who are the people pulling the strings? Don't forget, for the so-called Defender's of Democracy, whoever is in charge has not been elected. Strange how our politicians tell us how important democracy is,we saw how important it was to them the day after Brexit when a lot of them wanted a second referendum. Democracy seems to come down to voting for the least worst alternative..but if not democracy what's the alternative ? Who is in charge of USA ?..well the arms makers seem to be the only people making a profit so maybe they are setting the agenda. Tosh, of course
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 12, 2023 6:53:44 GMT
Strange how our politicians tell us how important democracy is,we saw how important it was to them the day after Brexit when a lot of them wanted a second referendum. Democracy seems to come down to voting for the least worst alternative..but if not democracy what's the alternative ? Who is in charge of USA ?..well the arms makers seem to be the only people making a profit so maybe they are setting the agenda. Tosh, of course Then explain why you think it's 'tosh'.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2023 9:24:02 GMT
Then explain why you think it's 'tosh'. We have covered this ground, re-Brexit. The challenge to Brexit was made through our sovereign Parliament. That's how our Parliamentary Democracy works. Personally I find it laughable when people argue that going through Parliament is undemocratic. As I said, that argument is tosh. As for the political classes that govern us, yes, but has always been thus. No point complaining after the event the event and you have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Because you are to lazy or not competent to drill down into the proposition being put to you. Is it.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 12, 2023 11:09:13 GMT
Then explain why you think it's 'tosh'. We have covered this ground, re-Brexit. The challenge to Brexit was made through our sovereign Parliament. That's how our Parliamentary Democracy works. Personally I find it laughable when people argue that going through Parliament is undemocratic. As I said, that argument is tosh. As for the political classes that govern us, yes, but has always been thus. No point complaining after the event the event and you have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Because you are to lazy or not competent to drill down into the proposition being put to you. Is it. Ah, the very same Parliamentary Democracy that passed laws that you didn't like, so you supported violent protest on the streets of Bristol, that Parliamentary Democracy? You do take some very hypocritical stances. PS - Sorry, didn't swallow any propaganda. I wasn't lazy nor incompetent. That is just wishful thinking on your part because you still cannot accept that the majority didn't agree with your views. Part of your non-acceptance results in you trying to degenerate others who didn't agree with you. That's a pretty desperate thing to do. So, once again you totally derail a thread. Well done.
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Post by oldie on Jul 12, 2023 11:24:55 GMT
We have covered this ground, re-Brexit. The challenge to Brexit was made through our sovereign Parliament. That's how our Parliamentary Democracy works. Personally I find it laughable when people argue that going through Parliament is undemocratic. As I said, that argument is tosh. As for the political classes that govern us, yes, but has always been thus. No point complaining after the event the event and you have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Because you are to lazy or not competent to drill down into the proposition being put to you. Is it. Ah, the very same Parliamentary Democracy that passed laws that you didn't like, so you supported violent protest on the streets of Bristol, that Parliamentary Democracy? You do take some very hypocritical stances. PS - Sorry, didn't swallow any propaganda. I wasn't lazy nor incompetent. That is just wishful thinking on your part because you still cannot accept that the majority didn't agree with your views. Part of your non-acceptance results in you trying to degenerate others who didn't agree with you. That's a pretty desperate thing to do. So, once again you totally derail a thread. Well done. You don't half parrot some tripe Nobby on occasion. You asked me to explain why Trymer's post was "tosh", I do then you accuse me of derailing a thread😂 It was Trymer who brought in the question of democracy and Brexit, not me.
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Post by trymer on Jul 12, 2023 14:11:48 GMT
Seems like some disagreements within the NATO countries about Ukraine, Russia knows the longer it can keep the war going the more cracks will start to appear,most alliances fall apart after a while.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 12, 2023 19:48:16 GMT
Seems like some disagreements within the NATO countries about Ukraine, Russia knows the longer it can keep the war going the more cracks will start to appear,most alliances fall apart after a while. think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 13, 2023 8:37:06 GMT
Seems like some disagreements within the NATO countries about Ukraine, Russia knows the longer it can keep the war going the more cracks will start to appear,most alliances fall apart after a while. think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine I agree NATO has been going since 1949 and is hardly falling apart. I think that's wishful thinking by some.....
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Post by oldie on Jul 13, 2023 9:39:54 GMT
think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine I agree NATO has been going since 1949 and is hardly falling apart. I think that's wishful thinking by some..... Indeed You have to wonder why?
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 13, 2023 10:04:49 GMT
Seems like some disagreements within the NATO countries about Ukraine, Russia knows the longer it can keep the war going the more cracks will start to appear,most alliances fall apart after a while. think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine I agree. This explains the complete turnaround of the Germans. They have finally woken up to the fact that if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine then the whole of Western Europe will be in trouble.
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Post by trymer on Jul 13, 2023 10:31:22 GMT
Seems like some disagreements within the NATO countries about Ukraine, Russia knows the longer it can keep the war going the more cracks will start to appear,most alliances fall apart after a while. think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine Yes,you are probably right at the moment,I can see a few problems on the horizon though,if the conflict carries on for years there will be elections in a lot of European countries and the EU,if there is a lurch to the right then the situation could change. Maybe Wagner or another group could create such turmoil in central Africa that millions of people head to North Africa and then onto Europe that could start a problem too. I think that Russia could stay on the defensive for a while killing as many Ukes as they can and still firing missiles at cities,just waiting for things to change. I wonder if China will get more involved and even broker a peace deal in the future.
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Post by trymer on Jul 13, 2023 10:35:06 GMT
think there will be more than enough collaboration to sustain the Ukrainians , and some "doubters" will be shamed if they fail to "do their bit" for the advancement/defence of european freedom, because that is what is at stake here not just Ukraine I agree. This explains the complete turnaround of the Germans. They have finally woken up to the fact that if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine then the whole of Western Europe will be in trouble. Then these countries need to fulfil their commitments to NATO,expecting the Yanks to keep on financing things isnt going to work forever. The way that European armed forces have been run down since the end of the cold war hasnt been helpful.
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Post by trymer on Jul 14, 2023 10:46:35 GMT
NATO seem to have said that Ukraine cannot become a member whilst the war goes on,so if Russia fights a 'forever war' Putin gets what he wanted Ukraine as a buffer between NATO and Russia.
The problem with this scenario is that with Ukraine and Russia being major food suppliers (and Russia being a major gas and oil supplier) there is an effect on the World economy and some countries might have famines.
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