Cheshiregas
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 14, 2023 11:13:36 GMT
There has been something quite disturbing going on especially in the last few weeks. There are many videos taken from drones showing wounded Russians topping themselves instead of being captured and treated. This has increased in frequency a lot in the last few weeks. It makes you wonder what propaganda they've been exposed to. I think that this is one of the saddest parts of war and shows the power of propaganda. Western Russians and Ukrainians are very similar in nature yet the soldiers still believe the words they are fed even though there have been prisoner exchanges. However with the terrible behaviour and reputation of the Wagner mercenaries and Chechens in torturing and topping prisoners perhaps they think the Ukes are doing the same....
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Post by trymer on Jul 18, 2023 13:10:34 GMT
An article on the BBC today quoting Ben Wallace as saying that the war in Ukraine is being used as a battle lab for new technology ,he is standing down as an MP and wont be getting the top NATO job so I guess that he can say what he likes now.
In the past couple of days the Kerch bridge has been damaged again also the Russians have not agreed to the grain deal continuing.
The Ukes still trying to breach the Russian minefields and force a breakthrough but there are also reports of a limited Russian offensive taking place.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 18, 2023 14:17:04 GMT
An article on the BBC today quoting Ben Wallace as saying that the war in Ukraine is being used as a battle lab for new technology ,he is standing down as an MP and wont be getting the top NATO job so I guess that he can say what he likes now. In the past couple of days the Kerch bridge has been damaged again also the Russians have not agreed to the grain deal continuing. The Ukes still trying to breach the Russian minefields and force a breakthrough but there are also reports of a limited Russian offensive taking place. Yeah, he's standing down as his constituency disappears. Of course it's a lab for weapons manufacturers. War has always been like that. It's also a showcase event for weapons sales. One of the bif winners in this area is South Korea! They have a huge deal with the Poles, and once the Poles get the factories running to produce the hardware I'm pretty sure they'll be offering the equipment to other countries as an alternative to US systems. I haven't got a link handy but just check out what Poland has ordered from South Korea ! The deal involves the first tranche of equipment coming from South Korea, but the Poles will build production centres in Poland to build the stuff there. There is a very limited Russian offensive around the Kremmena (spelling) area, but it's not going anywhere. I think the Kerch Bridge will go down at some stage soon. I'm not sure why the Ukes have left it standing. Obviously it was out of their range before, but they can almost certainly hit it now.
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Post by trymer on Jul 19, 2023 17:01:19 GMT
I think that they will be watching whats happening in Ukraine and using the information to change British armed forces equipment in the future,more long range artillery,less tanks, more emphasis on drones,shoulder launched AT missiles. We havent seen much use of robots and they are touted to be a big part of armed forces in the future.
Yes,the Kerch bridge is an obvious target,keep letting them fix it then attack it again.
I looked at the Poland/South Korea deal,personally I think that its best to make your own weapons and equipment (and uniforms,boots etc) South Kore the 4th biggest arms exporting country ?
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Post by trymer on Jul 19, 2023 17:10:19 GMT
Reading todays news from Ukraine on various websites its a mixed picture IF any of its true.
After stopping the grain deal Russia hits Odessa with missiles and destroys 60,000 tons of grain...trying to create grain shortage and push up prices maybe ?
Russia gathers 100,000 troops for offensive in Kharkov area..interesting development IF true
Ukraine short of shells because USA and EU not making enough..
Ukrainian offensive making gains in the south.
A Ukranian medic saying that injuries from mines have overtaken those by artillery.
Ukrainian front line soldiers saying that the minefields are unable to be breached as they are so thickly sown and so deep... and probably because theyre under constant surveillance by drones that can direct artillery fire onto vehicles or troops trying to cross them.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 20, 2023 6:30:29 GMT
The 100,000 troops being assembled by Russia is a story that has appeared in the last week or two. Personally I doubt it. Where have these troops come from? How are they equipped? Is it just disinformation to make Ukraine withdraw troops from the offensive in the South? I have no doubt that the intelligence gathering from NATO will know exactly what is going on, but we're unlikely to find out via news channels.
Artillery fire has been reduced by both sides recently. The Russians are also having supply problems with shells.
Mines are the biggest problem for Ukraine.
My personal opinion is that the main objective now for Ukraine is the Crimea.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 20, 2023 7:40:06 GMT
Reading todays news from Ukraine on various websites its a mixed picture IF any of its true. After stopping the grain deal Russia hits Odessa with missiles and destroys 60,000 tons of grain...trying to create grain shortage and push up prices maybe ? Russia gathers 100,000 troops for offensive in Kharkov area..interesting development IF true Ukraine short of shells because USA and EU not making enough.. Ukrainian offensive making gains in the south. A Ukranian medic saying that injuries from mines have overtaken those by artillery. Ukrainian front line soldiers saying that the minefields are unable to be breached as they are so thickly sown and so deep... and probably because theyre under constant surveillance by drones that can direct artillery fire onto vehicles or troops trying to cross them. Price of Grain has gone through the roof as a result of the invaders actions..barstewards
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Post by trymer on Jul 20, 2023 10:40:50 GMT
The 100,000 troops being assembled by Russia is a story that has appeared in the last week or two. Personally I doubt it. Where have these troops come from? How are they equipped? Is it just disinformation to make Ukraine withdraw troops from the offensive in the South? I have no doubt that the intelligence gathering from NATO will know exactly what is going on, but we're unlikely to find out via news channels. Artillery fire has been reduced by both sides recently. The Russians are also having supply problems with shells. Mines are the biggest problem for Ukraine. My personal opinion is that the main objective now for Ukraine is the Crimea. I must admit that i would be surprised if NATO missed 100,000 troops assembling however they seemed to miss minefields 10 miles deep so anythings possble. I have been doing some guesstimates on Uke casualties (dead and seriously wounded enough to be out of action forever) there arent many figures available but using what I could find and ratio's of wounded to dead in other wars I think that the Ukes major problem is/will be manpower. Probably they would like to break the land bridge to Crimea and put the Kerch bridge out of use hoping that the Russians will withdraw but I only see the Russians doing that as a last resort.
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Post by trymer on Jul 20, 2023 10:43:25 GMT
Reading todays news from Ukraine on various websites its a mixed picture IF any of its true. After stopping the grain deal Russia hits Odessa with missiles and destroys 60,000 tons of grain...trying to create grain shortage and push up prices maybe ? Russia gathers 100,000 troops for offensive in Kharkov area..interesting development IF true Ukraine short of shells because USA and EU not making enough.. Ukrainian offensive making gains in the south. A Ukranian medic saying that injuries from mines have overtaken those by artillery. Ukrainian front line soldiers saying that the minefields are unable to be breached as they are so thickly sown and so deep... and probably because theyre under constant surveillance by drones that can direct artillery fire onto vehicles or troops trying to cross them. Price of Grain has gone through the roof as a result of the invaders actions..barstewards Exactly,they know how to spread the misery and let everyone feel some pain,millions in Africa depend on that grain and wheat.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 20, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
The 100,000 troops being assembled by Russia is a story that has appeared in the last week or two. Personally I doubt it. Where have these troops come from? How are they equipped? Is it just disinformation to make Ukraine withdraw troops from the offensive in the South? I have no doubt that the intelligence gathering from NATO will know exactly what is going on, but we're unlikely to find out via news channels. Artillery fire has been reduced by both sides recently. The Russians are also having supply problems with shells. Mines are the biggest problem for Ukraine. My personal opinion is that the main objective now for Ukraine is the Crimea. I must admit that i would be surprised if NATO missed 100,000 troops assembling however they seemed to miss minefields 10 miles deep so anythings possble. I have been doing some guesstimates on Uke casualties (dead and seriously wounded enough to be out of action forever) there arent many figures available but using what I could find and ratio's of wounded to dead in other wars I think that the Ukes major problem is/will be manpower. Probably they would like to break the land bridge to Crimea and put the Kerch bridge out of use hoping that the Russians will withdraw but I only see the Russians doing that as a last resort. Yep. Cut the land bridge, drop the Kerch Bridge and then the Crimea becomes untenable. Nobody missed the minefields. It's just a fact that they are there. Interesting to see in the latest package from the USA that Mine Clearance stuff is included.
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Post by trymer on Jul 20, 2023 11:17:56 GMT
I must admit that i would be surprised if NATO missed 100,000 troops assembling however they seemed to miss minefields 10 miles deep so anythings possble. I have been doing some guesstimates on Uke casualties (dead and seriously wounded enough to be out of action forever) there arent many figures available but using what I could find and ratio's of wounded to dead in other wars I think that the Ukes major problem is/will be manpower. Probably they would like to break the land bridge to Crimea and put the Kerch bridge out of use hoping that the Russians will withdraw but I only see the Russians doing that as a last resort. Yep. Cut the land bridge, drop the Kerch Bridge and then the Crimea becomes untenable. Nobody missed the minefields. It's just a fact that they are there. Interesting to see in the latest package from the USA that Mine Clearance stuff is included. The Russsians would have to make use of the Arrow of Arabat as a supply route to Crimea or they could use ferries to supply the troops,not great but they had worse problems supplying Leningrad and Stalingrad and they managed then. Well if they knew that the minefields were there and that deep minefield clearance equipment should have been there from the start of the offensive,the Finns sent some breaching tanks but two of them got knocked out early on. Read a Washington Post article where the Ukes were complaining about the mine clearance equipment that they have received has been noisy and ineffective. tbh the Ukes havent been trained to clear minefields in those conditions because no one has had to do it (not minefields that deep,under drone observation and artillery fire),someone will come up with an idea on breaching them evetually.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 20, 2023 17:40:01 GMT
Looks like the cluster bombs have arrived quickly.... www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ukraine-begins-firing-cluster-bombs-supplied-by-the-us-at-russia/ar-AA1e7hOQ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=03547c85831540daaf9d9bd59608fbfc&ei=38Ukrainian forces have reportedly started firing controversial cluster munitions, provided by the US, against Russia in southeastern Ukraine. The decision for the US to give Ukraine the weapons received pushback from allies, including Britain, because cluster bombs pose a grave danger to civilians — exploding in the air and releasing hundreds of smaller bomblets over an area. They are also widely banned under the Convention on Cluster Munitions, signed by more than 120 countries – though not the US, Ukraine or Russia. The Washington Post reports that a Ukrainian official anonymously told the outlet the weapons have been fired at well-fortified Russian positions that are preventing the army from retaking territory. Russia and Ukraine have both already deployed cluster munitions on the front lines in eastern Ukraine – but it is the first time they have been supplied by the US to Kyiv. This story is being updated www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/20/cluster-munitions-ukraine-war-russia/
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Post by trymer on Jul 22, 2023 9:25:27 GMT
Russian reports that Ukrainian forces have launched a major assault in the Zaporizhia region on Russian defensive lines between Robotyne and Verbove. This assault IF its true would be towards Tokmak, been seeing reports of assaults towards Tokmak for weeks now but maybe they were probing attacks and perhaps the defences have been de-graded and this is the (ahem) 'big push'. Tokmak matters because its on the way to cutting the land bridge.
Other reports suggest that Britain is sending Chieftain tanks to Ukraine...the army here stopped using them as MBT's mid 90s, could be these are specialist versions, maybe mine clearance adaptations, I did read that they could be Khalid version ex Jordanian.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jul 27, 2023 13:14:55 GMT
Rumours circulating are suggesting that Ukraine have made a big breakthrough in the South !
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Post by trymer on Jul 27, 2023 15:29:38 GMT
Rumours circulating are suggesting that Ukraine have made a big breakthrough in the South ! Is this near Robotyne ? they have been mentioning that area including Tokmak since the begining of June maybe the Ukes have broken through eventually. 30,40 or 80 tanks have been mentioned, but if this is an armour spearhead breaking through it must be supported by infantry quickly. The longer this goes on I think that someone ( China?) might start peace talks....if that happens and there's a cease fire watch the Russians dig in and tunnel all along the line.
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 29, 2023 10:55:29 GMT
Zelensky signs off a law which now brings Ukraine xmas time [25th Dec as opposed to previous date Jan 7th]]in line with the most of Europe and the "western" world , further distancing the Country from the celebration dates of the ruskies ...another little thing to pee of the ROC and spewtin , no doubt he will want to retaliate in some rather absurd way,like blow up a couple of churches,claiming they are Ukrainian training grounds!!
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Post by trymer on Jul 29, 2023 11:35:57 GMT
I see that the Russians are still targeting Ukrainian grain,apparently the Ukes are using the Danube more now that the Black sea is closed to them. Apparently Russian missiles hit a grain depot on the Danube 200 yards from Romania. Russia has also offered 6 African countries Russian grain, they're trying to cause problems everywhere.
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Post by trymer on Jul 29, 2023 11:42:05 GMT
Zelensky signs off a law which now brings Ukraine xmas time [25th Dec as opposed to previous date Jan 7th]]in line with the most of Europe and the "western" world , further distancing the Country from the celebration dates of the ruskies ...another little thing to pee of the ROC and spewtin , no doubt he will want to retaliate in some rather absurd way,like blow up a couple of churches,claiming they are Ukrainian training grounds!! Is the Ukrainian population largely Russian Orthodox ?
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 29, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
Zelensky signs off a law which now brings Ukraine xmas time [25th Dec as opposed to previous date Jan 7th]]in line with the most of Europe and the "western" world , further distancing the Country from the celebration dates of the ruskies ...another little thing to pee of the ROC and spewtin , no doubt he will want to retaliate in some rather absurd way,like blow up a couple of churches,claiming they are Ukrainian training grounds!! Is the Ukrainian population largely Russian Orthodox ? previously ROC, but as the ROC have endorsed the invasion, the U's are breaking away from that label and, i believe, becoming more unified with the ways of mainland Europe , not sure though as to what label they will / are to calling it
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Post by lostinspace on Jul 29, 2023 12:33:44 GMT
interesting view from inside Russia.. some not afraid to call it as it seems from this side,, obviously watched other news outlets/video rather than home grown, and those who [imo] will not speak down on their gov't [through fear of being called to fight!! ]
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