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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 8, 2023 10:01:12 GMT
"Just hoping that the infantry dont have modern anti tank weapons,tbh I cant see the Leopard 1 getting much use,theyve been out of use for 20/25 years" - Once again, if the tanks are deployed using all-arms then they will get protection. If they are deployed on their own then they are vulnerable.
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Post by trymer on Jun 8, 2023 10:07:54 GMT
Interesting programme on Radio 4 about Ukrainian draft dodgers,the ones they are talking about now either crossed the mountains or swam across the river into Romania. According to the BBC there are thousands of draft dodgers and deserters too.
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Post by trymer on Jun 8, 2023 10:09:48 GMT
Just hoping that the infantry dont have modern anti tank weapons,tbh I cant see the Leopard 1 getting much use,theyve been out of use for 20/25 years,I bet that Rheinmetall make some money out of renovating this vintage armour. Looking at pictures from Kherson area some WW2 era Buffalo,Amtrac and DUKW's would be appropriate. The area for the Ukes counter offensive is more confined due to the flooding,i should think that they can forget the line from the dam to the sea. The Ukes saying that they have advanced in the villages near Bahkmut by 200 metres to 1600 metres ! Could it be double-edged? Places upstream that were un-crossable before because of the water are now crossable due to the water levels dropping? Unintended consequences and all that. I dont know,I guess its possible,it will dry out quite quickly once the water drains because the summer temperature gets very hot.
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Post by trymer on Jun 8, 2023 10:12:15 GMT
Just hoping that the infantry dont have modern anti tank weapons,tbh I cant see the Leopard 1 getting much use,theyve been out of use for 20/25 years,I bet that Rheinmetall make some money out of renovating this vintage armour. Looking at pictures from Kherson area some WW2 era Buffalo,Amtrac and DUKW's would be appropriate. The area for the Ukes counter offensive is more confined due to the flooding,i should think that they can forget the line from the dam to the sea. The Ukes saying that they have advanced in the villages near Bahkmut by 200 metres to 1600 metres ! I still believe the Ukes are probing in strength and their hammer is just poised to strike once they decide where. I agree,but whilst I think that they can make breakthroughs I am interested to see if they have enough troops in these new brigades to exploit success.
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Post by trymer on Jun 8, 2023 10:18:37 GMT
"Just hoping that the infantry dont have modern anti tank weapons,tbh I cant see the Leopard 1 getting much use,theyve been out of use for 20/25 years" - Once again, if the tanks are deployed using all-arms then they will get protection. If they are deployed on their own then they are vulnerable. We have discussed this before,IF the Russians use an AT weapon like Kornet with a range of 8000 metres the Uke infantry will not get into range before the AT is fired...tbh its academic as I cant see them using Leopard 1 in the front line. I saw a picture online of captured Javelin,NLAWs and Panzerfaust.....you can guarantee that they have sent them to Iran and probably China to be copied
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Post by trymer on Jun 9, 2023 15:09:14 GMT
Ukes attacking Russian defensive positions near Zhaporizhzhia (apparently) people supposing that the Ukes want to cut the 'land bridge' to Crimea. Also attacks still going on around Bakhmut too.
I Googled Zhaporizhzhia and apparently the Soviets blew up a dam there in 1941 killing over 20,000 people.
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Post by oldie on Jun 9, 2023 18:25:25 GMT
Ukes attacking Russian defensive positions near Zhaporizhzhia (apparently) people supposing that the Ukes want to cut the 'land bridge' to Crimea. Also attacks still going on around Bakhmut too. I Googled Zhaporizhzhia and apparently the Soviets blew up a dam there in 1941 killing over 20,000 people. Oh god
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Post by trymer on Jun 11, 2023 9:15:17 GMT
Read an interesting article about Ukraine being a 'petrie dish of fascism' apparently people from many countries going there and getting involved in the fighting,I suppose the worry in their home countries is what happens when they come back,much like Jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria. Spoke to someone from Sweden and he told me that the authorities there are worried about arms from Ukraine ending up in Sweden where they have a problem with shootings and grenade attacks already.
Saw a few pictures of Leopard 2s and Bradleys destroyed in the recent fighting,looked like they had been damaged by AT mines and then spotted by drones and destroyed by artillery fire.
I would be interested to know Uke casualties ( we will never know the Russian casualties)one Uke deserter saying that only him and one other survive out of a unit of 57. I wonder if the Russian plan is to kill as many Ukrainians of fighting age as they can,that will make it easier to occupy territory and to make sure it stays occupied,in which case a longer war benefits Russia.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 12, 2023 7:11:33 GMT
Read an interesting article about Ukraine being a 'petrie dish of fascism' apparently people from many countries going there and getting involved in the fighting,I suppose the worry in their home countries is what happens when they come back,much like Jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria. Spoke to someone from Sweden and he told me that the authorities there are worried about arms from Ukraine ending up in Sweden where they have a problem with shootings and grenade attacks already. Saw a few pictures of Leopard 2s and Bradleys destroyed in the recent fighting,looked like they had been damaged by AT mines and then spotted by drones and destroyed by artillery fire. I would be interested to know Uke casualties ( we will never know the Russian casualties)one Uke deserter saying that only him and one other survive out of a unit of 57. I wonder if the Russian plan is to kill as many Ukrainians of fighting age as they can,that will make it easier to occupy territory and to make sure it stays occupied,in which case a longer war benefits Russia. Europe was flooded with weapons after the Balkans conflict in the 90's. That horse has already bolted. As for people flooding to the Ukraine to fight, this was shown during the conflicts in Iraq/Afghanistan. While the British were on the ground there the recruitment process didn't have any issues. Young men flooded to join up in the UK. Now, there is little chance of seeing action (unless you join the Royal Marines) so recruitment is in a crisis. I'm not sure about a 'petrie dish of Facism'. I think it's more a case of young men want to 'give it a go'. Twas always the case in history.
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Post by trymer on Jun 12, 2023 10:45:24 GMT
Read an interesting article about Ukraine being a 'petrie dish of fascism' apparently people from many countries going there and getting involved in the fighting,I suppose the worry in their home countries is what happens when they come back,much like Jihadists returning from Iraq and Syria. Spoke to someone from Sweden and he told me that the authorities there are worried about arms from Ukraine ending up in Sweden where they have a problem with shootings and grenade attacks already. Saw a few pictures of Leopard 2s and Bradleys destroyed in the recent fighting,looked like they had been damaged by AT mines and then spotted by drones and destroyed by artillery fire. I would be interested to know Uke casualties ( we will never know the Russian casualties)one Uke deserter saying that only him and one other survive out of a unit of 57. I wonder if the Russian plan is to kill as many Ukrainians of fighting age as they can,that will make it easier to occupy territory and to make sure it stays occupied,in which case a longer war benefits Russia. Europe was flooded with weapons after the Balkans conflict in the 90's. That horse has already bolted. As for people flooding to the Ukraine to fight, this was shown during the conflicts in Iraq/Afghanistan. While the British were on the ground there the recruitment process didn't have any issues. Young men flooded to join up in the UK. Now, there is little chance of seeing action (unless you join the Royal Marines) so recruitment is in a crisis. I'm not sure about a 'petrie dish of Facism'. I think it's more a case of young men want to 'give it a go'. Twas always the case in history. The weapons from the Balkans are still causing problems (maybe the Merseyside Skorpion ?) but a lot will have been confiscated by now,a few container loads from Ukraine will make more mayhem. The 'petrie dish of fascism' article was specifically about extreme right wing nationalists etc with connections to Ukrainian units,I know this happened in Croatia but this war is much bigger and the amount of volunteers will be much higher. Ukraine saying they have taken several villages in their offensive and a report that the Russians have blown up another dam.
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Post by trymer on Jun 13, 2023 18:44:09 GMT
Ukes have retaken some villages but seem to be getting into difficulties getting armour through minefields.
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Post by bluetornados on Jun 14, 2023 7:41:42 GMT
Overnight strike on Odesa leaves three dead..ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/1440/cpsprodpb/C63C/production/_130084705_727861b77d4f7c9258ad48ab95d84634681a290e.jpgUkrainian authorities have said that at least three people were killed and 13 wounded in a Russian missile attack overnight on the port city of Odesa. The missiles targeted a warehouse, a business centre and shops. Ukraine's Southern Command warned that people may still be trapped under the rubble at the sites of the attacks. ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/14/0cbd3e3a-f309-4de6-a479-94a55e848987.jpgichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2023/6/14/906a800e-d1f9-4fe4-a18b-06a5c3bec0c0.jpgA Kyiv TV station is quoting the Operational Command South as saying Odesa was targeted with four Kalibr missiles launched from a ship in the Black Sea. According to One Plus One TV, two missiles were shot down by air defences, one more hit a warehouse of a retailer where a fire broke out. Three employees were killed and seven wounded, it said. According to the presenter, a business centre, an educational establishment, a residential complex, cafes and shops in the city centre were also damaged and at least six residents were wounded there. Ukraine attacked by 10 missiles, 10 drones - military A total of 10 missiles and 10 drones struck Ukraine overnight on Wednesday, says the Ukrainian air force. Three of four Kalibr missiles, launched from the Black Sea, were shot down. One hit the city of Odesa. The update says the results of six Kh-22 missiles launched on Donetsk region are being established. (You can read more about alleged overnight strikes in this region in our posts below.) Nine of the 10 Iranian-made drones were also shot down.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jun 16, 2023 10:26:49 GMT
Dying for an old man's vanity....
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Post by trymer on Jun 16, 2023 14:58:05 GMT
The Penal unit idea isnt new,there is a brutal logic to it, every Uke soldier killed is worth losing several convicts for, every convict killed is one less to feed and lowers the crime rate in Russia. Given the choice of being brutalised in a Russian prison for years or 6 months in the front line for freedom and a payout I guess there will be an endless flow of volunteers. I wonder what percentage survive the 6 months ? I have said before that we will never know the Russian KIA numbers as they dont count them,we arent being told the Uke deaths (or disabled) numbers either,even if its 5 to 1 maybe even 10 to 1 the Russians can afford a long war.
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Post by trymer on Jun 23, 2023 14:16:35 GMT
Listening to Radio 4 this morning and they were talking about the war in Ukraine, some interesting figures mentioned, Ukraine losing 10,000 drones a month ! Russia firing 45,000 shells a day and Ukraine 10,000.
Ukraine are attacking in difficult conditions,they dont have air superiority,once they are out in the open drones can spot them and be used as observation for artillery.
Read a Max Hastings article in the Times,he says that Russia want a long war to test the West's commitment to Ukraine,if the figure of 10,000 artillery shells per day is correct I would question how long the West can keep up the supply.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 23, 2023 14:34:01 GMT
Listening to Radio 4 this morning and they were talking about the war in Ukraine, some interesting figures mentioned, Ukraine losing 10,000 drones a month ! Russia firing 45,000 shells a day and Ukraine 10,000. Ukraine are attacking in difficult conditions,they dont have air superiority,once they are out in the open drones can spot them and be used as observation for artillery. Read a Max Hastings article in the Times,he says that Russia want a long war to test the West's commitment to Ukraine,if the figure of 10,000 artillery shells per day is correct I would question how long the West can keep up the supply. Don't worry about the usage of ammo by the Ukrainians. Every major country that manufactures shells have increased production. It's a sad fact of life that no weapons manufacturer will turn down a contract that makes them money! They all know there is a market, so they're all looking to fill it. I believe Ukraine are still probing and that the main offense hasn't started. I'm led to believe they had formed twelve Brigades for the offense. At the moment only three have been deployed. The probing is designed to find where the weaknesses are in the Russian lines. When the Ukes are happy they will unleash the main offense into their chosen sector. The numbers of shells being fired is also misleading. What percentage are 'normal' shells and what percentage are PGM's (Precision Guided Munitions). One PGM may produce a better result than fifty 'normal' shells, depending on the target of course. I think the opinion of Max Hastings is just old and doesn't add up now. Look at Germany. Before Russia invaded the Germans refused to do anything and only supplied field hospitals and helmets to Ukraine, as Germany expected Ukraine to fall within days and wanted to keep in Russia's good books as Germany was dependent on Russian gas and oil. Even for the first eight months of the war Germany was reluctant to provide Ukraine with much....then the penny dropped. Germany realised that if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine then the rest of Europe will be in danger. Right now, Germany has become one of the largest suppliers of weapons to Ukraine. The German Government made a complete 180 degree u-turn.
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Post by trymer on Jun 23, 2023 15:05:00 GMT
Listening to Radio 4 this morning and they were talking about the war in Ukraine, some interesting figures mentioned, Ukraine losing 10,000 drones a month ! Russia firing 45,000 shells a day and Ukraine 10,000. Ukraine are attacking in difficult conditions,they dont have air superiority,once they are out in the open drones can spot them and be used as observation for artillery. Read a Max Hastings article in the Times,he says that Russia want a long war to test the West's commitment to Ukraine,if the figure of 10,000 artillery shells per day is correct I would question how long the West can keep up the supply. Don't worry about the usage of ammo by the Ukrainians. Every major country that manufactures shells have increased production. It's a sad fact of life that no weapons manufacturer will turn down a contract that makes them money! They all know there is a market, so they're all looking to fill it. I believe Ukraine are still probing and that the main offense hasn't started. I'm led to believe they had formed twelve Brigades for the offense. At the moment only three have been deployed. The probing is designed to find where the weaknesses are in the Russian lines. When the Ukes are happy they will unleash the main offense into their chosen sector. The numbers of shells being fired is also misleading. What percentage are 'normal' shells and what percentage are PGM's (Precision Guided Munitions). One PGM may produce a better result than fifty 'normal' shells, depending on the target of course. I think the opinion of Max Hastings is just old and doesn't add up now. Look at Germany. Before Russia invaded the Germans refused to do anything and only supplied field hospitals and helmets to Ukraine, as Germany expected Ukraine to fall within days and wanted to keep in Russia's good books as Germany was dependent on Russian gas and oil. Even for the first eight months of the war Germany was reluctant to provide Ukraine with much....then the penny dropped. Germany realised that if the Russians are not stopped in Ukraine then the rest of Europe will be in danger. Right now, Germany has become one of the largest suppliers of weapons to Ukraine. The German Government made a complete 180 degree u-turn. I agree with you that the Ukes are still probing,however I wonder if they will be able to breakthrough the defences and then exploit the breakthrough.... Minefields,drones,artillery,AT missiles plus lack of air support make the Ukes job hard,in fact most armies would find the task difficult. I think that infantry night attacks with follow up ready to exploit success might succeed,but that needs well trained infantry.
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Post by trymer on Jun 24, 2023 7:39:38 GMT
The current state of uncertainty in Russia can only benefit the Ukes (in the short term anyway). will be interesting to see how the frontline Russian troops react to the situation.
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Post by Nobbygas on Jun 24, 2023 11:12:11 GMT
Well, it has certainly become interesting now.
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