topman
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Post by topman on Aug 21, 2014 11:40:34 GMT
I have coached other sports in the past
We are led to believe by DC that the players who he has signed all have a hunger for the ball / shirt but given our dismal start something is not quite right - either the players are good enough but tactics are not or the other way around
If according to DC some are too 'frightened' perhaps the coaching is wrong - maybe he is being too heavy handed in his approach?
As regards motivation a well known phrase is “Motivation is a fire from within. If someone else tries to light that fire under you, chances are it will burn very briefly.”
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 21, 2014 12:48:59 GMT
Hard to coach someone to not be frightened. When there is a negative atmosphere players will go for the easy option, rather than try to beat their man, they will pass back. Rather than wanting the ball with a player on their back they will only look interested when in space etc. In training they might be different players, if they are its hard to change. If they are the same in training you can coach them easier, you can stop the game and say you should be doing this. Confidence is massive in football, with it a team can change dramatically.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 13:04:12 GMT
DC talked about getting to know the players he signed. He signed Leadbitter over Higgins, and istr he didn't think Higgins would be able to cope with the expectation. Now everyone's terrified of their home fans.
I'm beginning to think DC is more interested in his players talking a good game, than playing one.
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andos
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Post by andos on Aug 21, 2014 13:13:12 GMT
All these signed players were performing well for their previous Conference clubs remember. Darrell has bought in good experience as well as Conference experience. They should be playing well.
As previous posters have mentioned, it is the negative atmosphere and pressure at this club that sucks confidence from players. As well as this, I know we hate the word, but the team has to gel...
The sorry part of this story is that it's same old. We are all to familiar with this, yet we are unable to turn the ship.
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Post by therealist on Aug 21, 2014 13:38:36 GMT
I thought we rejected the chance to sign England C 'Player of the Year' Elliott Frear because Clarke didn't think he could handle playing here - now he's moaning about his signings being too scared!? You couldn't make it up, unbelievable really. Perhaps they all went away for a good cry this week and will now come back stronger?
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Royal Blue
Michael Smith
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Post by Royal Blue on Aug 21, 2014 13:41:48 GMT
I do think confidence is the issue at this point in time because the players can sense the pressure and tension from supporters when they walk out on the pitch and fear receiving boos and jeers for misplacing a pass or shooting wide like they endured at Altrincham (that was the thing that disappointed me personally. I can understand Gasheads being frustrated, God knows we all feel it, but to get on the backs of your new-look team after a wayward ball is frankly embarrassing and does much more harm than good. Pity some people don't think before they speak/shout. Grumble to yourself and your mate by all means but don't pelt the players with abuse as early as 10 minutes into a game with the scores level).
What we need is to go in front in a game - as we should have done last Saturday - as the atmosphere in the ground will lift and that should then have a positive effect on the team. If we can register our first win against Telford I think/believe we can build on it and improve as we move forward, but a defeat would worsen the mood on and off the pitch massively... if that's even possible.
Of course you have the right to voice your opinion when you pay to watch Rovers. Everyone should have the right to their say. In my view, however, you're taking the **** when you start having a pop early in the game when we should be encouraging the team. Each to their own I guess.
I just hope we give the lads every chance on Saturday so we can try and get our first win.
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Post by therealist on Aug 21, 2014 13:46:12 GMT
We lack confidence because we aren't playing well in the first few games and have a tactically inept, cry baby manager. It's little, or nothing, to do with the 7,000 fans who turned out against Grimsby to offer excellent support.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 13:57:02 GMT
This 'it's all the fans' fault' is starting to piss me off.
Yes, the fans could do better, but that is obvious. Fans can always do better, because they are never perfect. But that doesn't mean as soon as they are less than perfect you can blame them. You don't get perfect fans; they're human beings who react to what's going on on the pitch. They're not mindless cheering machines. They are not obliged to be mindless cheering machines. Our fans have put up with a lot worse than most fans ever should and we have reacted better than most would, istm.
Look at the Grimsby game, we couldn't have been hardly any better. It was amazing support considering the s*** we have had to take, and we got rewarded with a 0-0 against a very average side missing half their team. And we still cheered the team off at the end enthusiastically.
We've had 4 s*** seasons, 4 seasons of real, proper s***, and 600 fans still go to support them at Barnet, and someone shouts something less than complimentary, and suddenly 'it's all the fans' fault' again.
Honestly, this is a stupid idea that needs to stop. It's easy to say, but just having a few blokes (or even a load of blokes) berating the team doesn't make it the fans' fault. The responsibility lies with the Board, the manager, and the team. Arrange them in whatever order you wish, depending on your personal agenda. But the fans are last on that list. It's not the fans' fault.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 21, 2014 13:58:27 GMT
DC can't be that "tactically inept" if he got Salisbury promoted? Perhaps if we cut a manager some slack and supported them for a change we might get somewhere as continually sacking managers is getting us nowhere.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 14:02:41 GMT
DC can't be that "tactically inept" if he got Salisbury promoted? Perhaps if we cut a manager some slack and supported them for a change we might get somewhere as continually sacking managers is getting us nowhere. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Yeah, coz we've never ever supported our team or manager, have we?
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Post by therealist on Aug 21, 2014 14:15:56 GMT
DC can't be that "tactically inept" if he got Salisbury promoted? Perhaps if we cut a manager some slack and supported them for a change we might get somewhere as continually sacking managers is getting us nowhere. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Yeah, coz we've never ever supported our team or manager, have we? Nope, not at all, just ask Alty fans... "Fair credit to their fans. They deserve more." "I actually thought their fans were a credit to them." "They should be shouting and asking questions." "Feel very sorry for them" "Fans who have travelled so far to watch their team deserve better than that to be honest." "I think the manager and board should have a good look in the mirror!! Not a good side."
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Royal Blue
Michael Smith
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Post by Royal Blue on Aug 21, 2014 14:38:58 GMT
This 'it's all the fans' fault' is starting to piss me off. Yes, the fans could do better, but that is obvious. Fans can always do better, because they are never perfect. But that doesn't mean as soon as they are less than perfect you can blame them. You don't get perfect fans; they're human beings who react to what's going on on the pitch. They're not mindless cheering machines. They are not obliged to be mindless cheering machines. Our fans have put up with a lot worse than most fans ever should and we have reacted better than most would, istm. Look at the Grimsby game, we couldn't have been hardly any better. It was amazing support considering the s*** we have had to take, and we got rewarded with a 0-0 against a very average side missing half their team. And we still cheered the team off at the end enthusiastically. We've had 4 s*** seasons, 4 seasons of real, proper s***, and 600 fans still go to support them at Barnet, and someone shouts something less than complimentary, and suddenly 'it's all the fans' fault' again. Honestly, this is a stupid idea that needs to stop. It's easy to say, but just having a few blokes (or even a load of blokes) berating the team doesn't make it the fans' fault. The responsibility lies with the Board, the manager, and the team. Arrange them in whatever order you wish, depending on your personal agenda. But the fans are last on that list. It's not the fans' fault. It might be pissing you off AF but it does have an impact whether we like it or not. These are human beings, some of whom have never been anywhere near a club with the expectations Rovers fans rightly have for this division, and the frustration we all feel will be having a negative effect at the moment. I'm not saying they shouldn't get used to it and that it's all our fault because I completely understand why we feel this way, but it's naive to think fans can shout, jeer and boo all they want and not have a detrimental effect on players' confidence levels. I agree the support against Grimsby was outstanding - much better than I thought it would be - and we didn't play too badly in my opinion. If we can continue providing support anywhere near that level I have absolutely no doubt things will improve on the pitch once the players adapt to their new surrounding and team-mates. Unfortunately it was nothing as enthusiastic at Altrincham and sections of the away terrace began booing after just 5-10 minutes with the scores level and us on top just because of a wayward pass. It was loud enough for the players to hear and it actually made me pretty embarrassed. If things don't improve and we continue to lose games then it is absolutely fair to suggest the fundamental problem lies with the management and the players themselves. I wouldn't blame anyone for voicing their displeasure with the team should that happen. We all know, however, that the root cause for our failings lie with the Board and those who have ineptly run the club over recent years but that's hardly the fault of the current crop of players and I think they are taking the brunt of the criticism that should be directed at those above them.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 14:53:36 GMT
It might be pissing you off AF but it does have an impact whether we like it or not. I realise it has an impact. That's not in dispute. I'm talking about fault. I'm talking about blame. That's not the same thing as impact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:20:34 GMT
We lack confidence because we aren't playing well in the first few games and have a tactically inept, cry baby manager. It's little, or nothing, to do with the 7,000 fans who turned out against Grimsby to offer excellent support. I get the impression Wes your not to happy about our manager, care to expand why in more detail ?? You say he is tactically "inept", for us who are not qualified FA coaches, can you explain that a bit more in detail us plebs can understand ??
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Post by brizzle on Aug 21, 2014 15:27:39 GMT
This 'it's all the fans' fault' is starting to piss me off. Yes, the fans could do better, but that is obvious. Fans can always do better, because they are never perfect. But that doesn't mean as soon as they are less than perfect you can blame them. You don't get perfect fans; they're human beings who react to what's going on on the pitch. They're not mindless cheering machines. They are not obliged to be mindless cheering machines. Our fans have put up with a lot worse than most fans ever should and we have reacted better than most would, istm. Look at the Grimsby game, we couldn't have been hardly any better. It was amazing support considering the s*** we have had to take, and we got rewarded with a 0-0 against a very average side missing half their team. And we still cheered the team off at the end enthusiastically. We've had 4 s*** seasons, 4 seasons of real, proper s***, and 600 fans still go to support them at Barnet, and someone shouts something less than complimentary, and suddenly 'it's all the fans' fault' again. Honestly, this is a stupid idea that needs to stop. It's easy to say, but just having a few blokes (or even a load of blokes) berating the team doesn't make it the fans' fault. The responsibility lies with the Board, the manager, and the team. Arrange them in whatever order you wish, depending on your personal agenda. But the fans are last on that list. It's not the fans' fault. Historically at both Eastville and Twerton, it was always the unwritten rule that supporters did not get on players (or the teams) backs. I have witnessed on many occasions a supporter shout something that was intended not to be complimentary, and the people around him would tell him forcefully, and in no uncertain terms to be quiet. The general rule was that the team (and players) were doing their best and it was the job of the supporters to support them. That alone created atmosphere. But it's also fair to say that at the time we may not have had the best players in the Football League, but they were all trying to do their best for the good of the club. You've only to look at the list of players that have represented BRFC to realise the passion for the club that they had. Similarly with the managers, and I'm thinking particularly of Gerry Francis and Bobby Gould, they both used the limited resources that were available to them and produced results that should have been well beyond them and the team. But all of this seemed to produce an atmosphere around the club, that sadly appears to me to be missing today. There always seemed to be a siege mentality about the club, us versus them, and out of that adversity came fight and determination. Sadly that all seems to have passed into history now, and the end of that particular era was (in my opinion) when Gerry Francis finally gave up the ghost and left for QPR, and in doing so also took some of our best players with him for good luck. Now I do realise that there have been highs since then, but truth be told we were always going ever-so-slowly downhill from that point. I suppose that it could be argued that for many years the club was punching above its weight, and that the supporters became conditioned to watching successful teams. But with the passing of time, and managers and players, things have radically changed . . . but the expectation has not. But in any event we are where we are, and only results on the pitch can affect that, so it's a matter of of simply hanging on and hoping for the best because only the Board of Directors (aka the Custodians of BRFC) can affect that. We must trust that they can employ a manager (perhaps they have him already, who knows?) who can recruit, train and motivate a squad of players capable of restoring some of the ''feelgood factor'' to the club. My thought is that whoever the manager (or Board) of the day is, then he/they have a fair bit of ground to make up . . . in all respects.
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Post by littlestokegas on Aug 21, 2014 15:37:18 GMT
Re the historical recollection of not giving bad vibes to the players at eastville and twerton; I do not recall that either
BUT
We never had to put up with the carp we have to watch at the men these days (last 10 years)
UTG and good luck Stewie after Tuesday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:42:51 GMT
I think the players need a defining moment to 'get' Rovers and it's supporters. An away game where the noise levels are high, there's a big following and support is from the off. I feel that off the pitch and in players heads Monday could be huge.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 15:45:45 GMT
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 21, 2014 15:49:00 GMT
Historically at both Eastville and Twerton, it was always the unwritten rule that supporters did not get on players (or the teams) backs. I have witnessed on many occasions a supporter shout something that was intended not to be complimentary, and the people around him would tell him forcefully, and in no uncertain terms to be quiet. The general rule was that the team (and players) were doing their best and it was the job of the supporters to support them. That alone created atmosphere. But it's also fair to say that at the time we may not have had the best players in the Football League, but they were all trying to do their best for the good of the club. You've only to look at the list of players that have represented BRFC to realise the passion for the club that they had. Similarly with the managers, and I'm thinking particularly of Gerry Francis and Bobby Gould, they both used the limited resources that were available to them and produced results that should have been well beyond them and the team. But all of this seemed to produce an atmosphere around the club, that sadly appears to me to be missing today. There always seemed to be a siege mentality about the club, us versus them, and out of that adversity came fight and determination. Sadly that all seems to have passed into history now, and the end of that particular era was (in my opinion) when Gerry Francis finally gave up the ghost and left for QPR, and in doing so also took some of our best players with him for good luck. Now I do realise that there have been highs since then, but truth be told we were always going ever-so-slowly downhill from that point. I suppose that it could be argued that for many years the club was punching above its weight, and that the supporters became conditioned to watching successful teams. But with the passing of time, and managers and players, things have radically changed . . . but the expectation has not. But in any event we are where we are, and only results on the pitch can affect that, so it's a matter of of simply hanging on and hoping for the best because only the Board of Directors (aka the Custodians of BRFC) can affect that. We must trust that they can employ a manager (perhaps they have him already, who knows?) who can recruit, train and motivate a squad of players capable of restoring some of the ''feelgood factor'' to the club. My thought is that whoever the manager (or Board) of the day is, then he/they have a fair bit of ground to make up . . . in all respects. Sure, I'm not actually suggesting we should get on the players' backs. Personally I have never shouted anything at anyone (well, I once did tell Justin Channing to get back and defend after he had just run about 80 yards and delivered a fluffed cross, which I still regret). All I'm saying is that this blaming the fans doesn't make any sense, as if if we were only to be a little bit more supportive, a little bit longer, then suddenly we would start winning again and everything would be alright. That's clearly not the case, and the fault clearly lies elsewhere.
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LJG
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Post by LJG on Aug 21, 2014 15:50:05 GMT
I think the players need a defining moment to 'get' Rovers and it's supporters. An away game where the noise levels are high, there's a big following and support is from the off. I feel that off the pitch and in players heads Monday could be huge. Like Dagenham and Redbridge two seasons ago? Oxford last season? D*cked on we were. Got naff all to do with what we do on the terrace.
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