Bridgeman
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 20, 2014 19:09:11 GMT
Nice to see yet another positive post from you "ashperry" - keep up the good work I agree with him. Why have sympathy for a guy who had ruined us ? Also had not even bothered to be at the games because he had better stuff to do. Either do the job or sell to someone who will turn up and care. Hello my friend....isn't that a little unfair to be critical of someone not attending because they have 'better stuff to do'....... You full well know my opinion on all this but I don't think you can accuse Higgs of not caring, he and the board have however made some very bad decisions to put us in the worst postion since we became a football league club in the 1920's. However, if I was asked if I have any sympathy for any of them I would have to be honest and say no but do I want them to find a successful way out of our predicament....a resounding yes ! I wait with intrepid expectation !!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 20, 2014 22:31:49 GMT
I agree with him. Why have sympathy for a guy who had ruined us ? Also had not even bothered to be at the games because he had better stuff to do. Either do the job or sell to someone who will turn up and care. Hello my friend....isn't that a little unfair to be critical of someone not attending because they have 'better stuff to do'....... You full well know my opinion on all this but I don't think you can accuse Higgs of not caring, he and the board have however made some very bad decisions to put us in the worst postion since we became a football league club in the 1920's. However, if I was asked if I have any sympathy for any of them I would have to be honest and say no but do I want them to find a successful way out of our predicament....a resounding yes ! I wait with intrepid expectation !! Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt in that some say he has business in Italy. He could use FaceTime or conference calling facilities. This is not an age where you have to be at a meeting to be there if you get me ? I just think it is very poor form to not be at the first game of the new season in a relegation season, to offer support and direction to a young manager who is clearly not doing well with pressure. I am sorry but I feel Nick has let us down, let his manager down and had given more ammunition to his detractors by not being here when he is needed. One of the fans directors had said before this season that the club (sic) desperately needed leading and direction. I think Nick Higgs had failed on this front. I would apologise if I felt I was being too hard but in this case I feel what I said has weight to it Bridgey.
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 20, 2014 22:46:23 GMT
Hello my friend....isn't that a little unfair to be critical of someone not attending because they have 'better stuff to do'....... You full well know my opinion on all this but I don't think you can accuse Higgs of not caring, he and the board have however made some very bad decisions to put us in the worst postion since we became a football league club in the 1920's. However, if I was asked if I have any sympathy for any of them I would have to be honest and say no but do I want them to find a successful way out of our predicament....a resounding yes ! I wait with intrepid expectation !! Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt in that some say he has business in Italy. He could use FaceTime or conference calling facilities. This is not an age where you have to be at a meeting to be there if you get me ? I just think it is very poor form to not be at the first game of the new season in a relegation season, to offer support and direction to a young manager who is clearly not doing well with pressure. I am sorry but I feel Nick has let us down, let his manager down and had given more ammunition to his detractors by not being here when he is needed. One of the fans directors had said before this season that the club (sic) desperately needed leading and direction. I think Nick Higgs had failed on this front. I would apologise if I felt I was being too hard but in this case I feel what I said has weight to it Bridgey. No problem with your reply mate. As I've said on another thread if we don't have the minimum of an additional three points by the end of Bank Holiday (I'm not expecting anything from the FGR game !) we should have Darrell's head on a spike and the board should go with him (although I can't see that happening). My fear is that a bad result against FGR will see a bad reaction after the game and the club brought into even more disrepute by some of our more idiotic fans, can but hope that doesn't happen.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Aug 21, 2014 5:44:36 GMT
I think it's about time NH delivered some good news about the stadium before the season is a complete write off!!!!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 21, 2014 8:13:58 GMT
That's a very anti-Board comment!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 21, 2014 13:27:01 GMT
Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt in that some say he has business in Italy. He could use FaceTime or conference calling facilities. This is not an age where you have to be at a meeting to be there if you get me ? I just think it is very poor form to not be at the first game of the new season in a relegation season, to offer support and direction to a young manager who is clearly not doing well with pressure. I am sorry but I feel Nick has let us down, let his manager down and had given more ammunition to his detractors by not being here when he is needed. One of the fans directors had said before this season that the club (sic) desperately needed leading and direction. I think Nick Higgs had failed on this front. I would apologise if I felt I was being too hard but in this case I feel what I said has weight to it Bridgey. No problem with your reply mate. As I've said on another thread if we don't have the minimum of an additional three points by the end of Bank Holiday (I'm not expecting anything from the FGR game !) we should have Darrell's head on a spike and the board should go with him (although I can't see that happening). My fear is that a bad result against FGR will see a bad reaction after the game and the club brought into even more disrepute by some of our more idiotic fans, can but hope that doesn't happen. Yes It has the potential to be a flashpoint. Apparently we had sold 1700 tickets as of yesterday so if the players feel pressure is a problem then it's not going to lessen. What I cannot believe is DC saying Altrincham was a wake up call. I find that unacceptable. This is the guy given the job because of his conference experience. If it has only just woken him then I am more than a little worried.
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Post by brizzle on Aug 21, 2014 13:52:47 GMT
the next project for NH is a grilling from Geoff Twentyman on Sat radio Bristol at 1.15pm ..which no doubt will be recorded and replayed at 515pm ish after hopefully our first win of the season. Better stand by for fireworks there then, our Geoff will soon get to the bottom of this latest BRFC crises. It reminds me of the time that the Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer Denis Healey, was forced to defend his record in office after shadow chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe tabled a motion which sought to reduce the chancellor's salary by half. In a memorable jibe, Mr Healey likened his Conservative counterpart's rhetorical onslaught to "being savaged by a dead sheep."My problem is in deciding which one of the two is the dead sheep.
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Post by manchestergas on Aug 21, 2014 14:00:07 GMT
That 'dead sheep' then effectively brought Maggie down by resigning in 1990 and a resignation speech mentioning broken cricket bats.
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Post by brizzle on Aug 21, 2014 14:03:55 GMT
No problem with your reply mate. As I've said on another thread if we don't have the minimum of an additional three points by the end of Bank Holiday (I'm not expecting anything from the FGR game !) we should have Darrell's head on a spike and the board should go with him (although I can't see that happening). My fear is that a bad result against FGR will see a bad reaction after the game and the club brought into even more disrepute by some of our more idiotic fans, can but hope that doesn't happen. Yes It has the potential to be a flashpoint. Apparently we had sold 1700 tickets as of yesterday so if the players feel pressure is a problem then it's not going to lessen. What I cannot believe is DC saying Altrincham was a wake up call. I find that unacceptable. This is the guy given the job because of his conference experience. If it has only just woken him then I am more than a little worried. . . . and so am I, KP. But I think that we can all agree that at least he does talk the talk. But on a serious note, am I the only person to notice DC's manner of speaking when being interviewed by the media? Although it's clearly not a major issue (that being results), it has always struck me as a little strange way of speaking.
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Post by therealist on Aug 21, 2014 14:07:56 GMT
the next project for NH is a grilling from Geoff Twentyman on Sat radio Bristol at 1.15pm ..which no doubt will be recorded and replayed at 515pm ish after hopefully our first win of the season. Better stand by for fireworks there then, our Geoff will soon get to the bottom of this latest BRFC crises. It reminds me of the time that the Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer Denis Healey, was forced to defend his record in office after shadow chancellor Sir Geoffrey Howe tabled a motion which sought to reduce the chancellor's salary by half. In a memorable jibe, Mr Healey likened his Conservative counterpart's rhetorical onslaught to "being savaged by a dead sheep."My problem is in deciding which one of the two is the dead sheep. Interesting observation. Some might describe Rovers fans as 'sheeple'.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 21, 2014 15:53:13 GMT
Yes It has the potential to be a flashpoint. Apparently we had sold 1700 tickets as of yesterday so if the players feel pressure is a problem then it's not going to lessen. What I cannot believe is DC saying Altrincham was a wake up call. I find that unacceptable. This is the guy given the job because of his conference experience. If it has only just woken him then I am more than a little worried. . . . and so am I, KP. But I think that we can all agree that at least he does talk the talk. But on a serious note, am I the only person to notice DC's manner of speaking when being interviewed by the media? Although it's clearly not a major issue (that being results), it has always struck me as a little strange way of speaking. I don't like the guy and said it right from the day he joined us. The players did not like his training methods and it caused Wardy a few headaches. What I do not like the most is how he was able to blame Ward so publicly. I was in sales for over 20 years and you learn to never slag the opposition or your predecessors. It's very unprofessional and has an habit of coming back to bite you on the rear end. I guess my like or dislike does not really matter but our points total does. I don't have confidence in this guy. I wish it were different. I think we all have no choice but to give him 10 games before any decision is made. I write this in the hope I am totally wrong about DC and that we start scoring & winning games but I feel he is not the guy to do that. Reading another thread, I saw the Cambridge fan writing in. To think we could have had Richard Money but most felt him not high profile and a no mark. It smarts for me to read how highly he is regarded by Cambridge. He must have a wry smile thinking about what happened. He was very upset at his treatment by our chairman.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 21, 2014 16:33:26 GMT
I see the phrase 'anti board forum' quite a lot on the threads on this discussion forum. I just wonder how in the name all all things good could anyone be completely pro board, given several years of failure after failure, several years of the lowest ever league positions in the clubs history, unable to control expenses with some of the largest crowd average figures in the bottom two leagues, time and time again choosing managers let them rip the squad apart and then fund 3 year contracts for injured and unproven players. Personally I appreciate the fact people put up hard earned cash to prop up the club, and that they are historically in the main Rovers supporters for many decades even generations. That doesnt excuse mis-management and laise faire attitudes, dismissive responses when challenged about responsibility, and to be frank piss poor planning and resulting piss poor performance I do agree, many folks on all social media are too quick to analyse and read into words a meaning which assumes Board error/misstatement or stupidity, and yes it happens too often. But surely to goodness that's slightly understandable given the depths we've been led to . Isnt it? It's also been increasingly apparent people just make stuff up to create a negative impression of the Board and Club. Personally I think that's a bigger problem than the label 'anti-board'. I'd be amazed if 90% of fans were not a little 'anti', where appropriate of course, so surely the balance is understandable in favour of a negative view on our leaders. I think this sums it up pretty well in my view. The board's strongest (and in my view correct) defence is 'be careful what you wish for' with the idea being that they have the best interest of the club ast heart. There's no doubt there are a lot of vultures out there looking to asset strip vulnerable looking clubs. The trouble is the lower we fall, the longer we fail and the more PR disasters that are accrued the less credible that argument becomes and the more trust that is lost. It was completely viable when we were a middling League 1 Club - after 4 years of collapse it increasingly loses credibility. I think people like Tbone and Padstow miss the point. The problem with Rovers fans is not the loud malcontents or the people who have an axe to grind. The problem is the slow steady erosion of trust and respect across the whole fanbase (that 90% figure there I'd say is the key - it's the low level stuff that's more damaging). It's not the 'sack the board' attitude among some that's the problem it's the general perception and suspicion that the board don't know what they're doing and have presided over 4 years of ineptitude and contributed to 15 years of general decline. Most Rovers fans I meet now will moan inside 5 minutes about how badly the club is run - this is nearly always done in the spirit of resigned dissapointment not pitchfork waving anger. I know some that have given up going - not because they hate the board but because they see no potential for progress and are fed up with the seemingly endless cycle of decline. These are people who went home and away. I find this general apathy and drift far more worrying than people who are angry - anger suggests you still care at least. The board argue that they are custodians of the club acting in the old fashioned ownership sense (ie. still a business but respecting that it is a community resource for future generations etc). The problem with this is that from the point of view of your average fan they haven't been any good as custodians either on or off the pitch. When does the 'be careful what you wish for' argument run out - when we're relegated out of the league? apparently not. When we're in the bottom half of the Conference? When we're in Conference South? We've watched smaller, less resourced clubs sail past us while we continue to both decline on the pitch and run up debts off it. We are neither competitive or solvent so it's hard to see exactly what it is that deserves support other than the fact that we haven't gone under yet - which is surely the absolute basic number 1 requirement of running any organisation. I thought the people who shouted 'where's the money gone in 2001' were idiots, I never agreed with the core principles of RAFC because I couldn't see it working in the current football environment and I think that generally we are where were we are through mistakes and poor management rather than anything malign. But I can't see why anybody would be surprised that the board is being criticised - they have presided over complete and continued failure and all they have offered the fans are a set of cliched excuses and saying 'it could be worse...'; is the expectation that they should get a medal for this? I don't particularly want the board to go - I just want them to do better, a lot better please and quickly.
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 21, 2014 19:31:15 GMT
I see the phrase 'anti board forum' quite a lot on the threads on this discussion forum. I just wonder how in the name all all things good could anyone be completely pro board, given several years of failure after failure, several years of the lowest ever league positions in the clubs history, unable to control expenses with some of the largest crowd average figures in the bottom two leagues, time and time again choosing managers let them rip the squad apart and then fund 3 year contracts for injured and unproven players. Personally I appreciate the fact people put up hard earned cash to prop up the club, and that they are historically in the main Rovers supporters for many decades even generations. That doesnt excuse mis-management and laise faire attitudes, dismissive responses when challenged about responsibility, and to be frank piss poor planning and resulting piss poor performance I do agree, many folks on all social media are too quick to analyse and read into words a meaning which assumes Board error/misstatement or stupidity, and yes it happens too often. But surely to goodness that's slightly understandable given the depths we've been led to . Isnt it? It's also been increasingly apparent people just make stuff up to create a negative impression of the Board and Club. Personally I think that's a bigger problem than the label 'anti-board'. I'd be amazed if 90% of fans were not a little 'anti', where appropriate of course, so surely the balance is understandable in favour of a negative view on our leaders. I think this sums it up pretty well in my view. The board's strongest (and in my view correct) defence is 'be careful what you wish for' with the idea being that they have the best interest of the club ast heart. There's no doubt there are a lot of vultures out there looking to asset strip vulnerable looking clubs. The trouble is the lower we fall, the longer we fail and the more PR disasters that are accrued the less credible that argument becomes and the more trust that is lost. It was completely viable when we were a middling League 1 Club - after 4 years of collapse it increasingly loses credibility. I think people like Tbone and Padstow miss the point. The problem with Rovers fans is not the loud malcontents or the people who have an axe to grind. The problem is the slow steady erosion of trust and respect across the whole fanbase (that 90% figure there I'd say is the key - it's the low level stuff that's more damaging). It's not the 'sack the board' attitude among some that's the problem it's the general perception and suspicion that the board don't know what they're doing and have presided over 4 years of ineptitude and contributed to 15 years of general decline. Most Rovers fans I meet now will moan inside 5 minutes about how badly the club is run - this is nearly always done in the spirit of resigned dissapointment not pitchfork waving anger. I know some that have given up going - not because they hate the board but because they see no potential for progress and are fed up with the seemingly endless cycle of decline. These are people who went home and away. I find this general apathy and drift far more worrying than people who are angry - anger suggests you still care at least. The board argue that they are custodians of the club acting in the old fashioned ownership sense (ie. still a business but respecting that it is a community resource for future generations etc). The problem with this is that from the point of view of your average fan they haven't been any good as custodians either on or off the pitch. When does the 'be careful what you wish for' argument run out - when we're relegated out of the league? apparently not. When we're in the bottom half of the Conference? When we're in Conference South? We've watched smaller, less resourced clubs sail past us while we continue to both decline on the pitch and run up debts off it. We are neither competitive or solvent so it's hard to see exactly what it is that deserves support other than the fact that we haven't gone under yet - which is surely the absolute basic number 1 requirement of running any organisation. I thought the people who shouted 'where's the money gone in 2001' were idiots, I never agreed with the core principles of RAFC because I couldn't see it working in the current football environment and I think that generally we are where were we are through mistakes and poor management rather than anything malign. But I can't see why anybody would be surprised that the board is being criticised - they have presided over complete and continued failure and all they have offered the fans are a set of cliched excuses and saying 'it could be worse...'; is the expectation that they should get a medal for this? I don't particularly want the board to go - I just want them to do better, a lot better please and quickly. A brilliant exposition Irishrover
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