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Post by warehamgas on Dec 14, 2021 17:33:43 GMT
TBH and all joking aside, i would rather have a Boycott type of batter in the trenches with me facing the Aussies right now, we might actually get 5 days of cricket in. Absolutely. And Tavare, trudging out to the middle with him. I wouldn`t mind waking up at 7am, to be told we were 120/0 off 90 overs. True. I guess the trouble is that we don’t play the sort of cricket that produces that kind of player now. The players all want to score 39 runs as quickly as possible with a striking rate of 166.67!!! Exciting but it’s not going to win a test match. 😉i Can you imagine Tavare playing T20 ? |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 14, 2021 18:53:53 GMT
Absolutely. And Tavare, trudging out to the middle with him. I wouldn`t mind waking up at 7am, to be told we were 120/0 off 90 overs. True. I guess the trouble is that we don’t play the sort of cricket that produces that kind of player now. The players all want to score 39 runs as quickly as possible with a striking rate of 166.67!!! Exciting but it’s not going to win a test match. 😉i Can you imagine Tavare playing T20 ? When you say "we", do you mean English cricket, or cricket worldwide?
Only too easy to imagine Tavare playing T20. Kent would make 160/7, and Tavare would be 5 not out.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 14, 2021 19:13:57 GMT
True. I guess the trouble is that we don’t play the sort of cricket that produces that kind of player now. The players all want to score 39 runs as quickly as possible with a striking rate of 166.67!!! Exciting but it’s not going to win a test match. 😉i Can you imagine Tavare playing T20 ? When you say "we", do you mean English cricket, or cricket worldwide?
Only too easy to imagine Tavare playing T20. Kent would make 160/7, and Tavare would be 5 not out.
English cricket. 5 no. with a strike rate of 22! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 14, 2021 19:46:02 GMT
When you say "we", do you mean English cricket, or cricket worldwide?
Only too easy to imagine Tavare playing T20. Kent would make 160/7, and Tavare would be 5 not out.
English cricket. I don`t think that anyone on the Asian subcontinent, cares much about Test cricket any more. Nor the WI. It`s all one day stuff for them. It`s only us, Aus, NZ and SA that still appreciate the five day game. And yet India have just won a Test series in Australia. How did that work?
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 14, 2021 21:14:25 GMT
TBH and all joking aside, i would rather have a Boycott type of batter in the trenches with me facing the Aussies right now, we might actually get 5 days of cricket in. Absolutely. And Tavare, trudging out to the middle with him. I wouldn`t mind waking up at 7am, to be told we were 120/0 off 90 overs. Yes, that would be a treat, we have had so many matches end in 3 or 4 days it just is not cricket. When i was a kid i would enjoy the summer holidays, 6 weeks of watching a full 5 days of test cricket on the BBC. Then going out to the local patch of grass, with loads of us being Botham, Gower, Gooch, Boycott, Lamb, Willis, Dilley, Randall, Emburey and a few others. My Dad was great at making the stumps, bails and bats, many got broken, but he just kept on making them. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 14, 2021 22:15:03 GMT
I don`t think that anyone on the Asian subcontinent, cares much about Test cricket any more. Nor the WI. It`s all one day stuff for them. It`s only us, Aus, NZ and SA that still appreciate the five day game. And yet India have just won a Test series in Australia. How did that work?
And of course the only test match series that matters, or seems to, is ‘The Ashes’. Even stuff in this country red ball and test cricket is all about preparation for the Ashes, even years in advance. It doesn’t seem as if you can just enjoy cricket for what it is. It’s all about preparing for the Ashes. We’ve had some good series in past years, India, New Zealand, yet all the media talks about is the Ashes or preparation for them. And as we saw last week there’s been no preparation for it, the team was just thrown into the series. Totally inept. The proliferation of T20, T10 and short form cricket all over the world has allowed players to make a wealthy living able to play limited overs cricket only. Chris Jordan and Tymal Mills two good examples. They decided some time ago to concentrate on one day cricket which together with their fitness concerns means they make a very good living bowling 4 overs perhaps twice a week, a max of 24 balls a day. Good luck to them. Archer will go the same way within the next two years imo. But when you add the incompetence of the ECB about scheduling cricket in this country and you have a major problem. Or rather England does. I’m sure the Aussies can’t stop laughing except when they’re planning how to ‘doctor’ the ball without being caught. Or if they are caught how they’ll turn on tears to get sympathy!! 😉 |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 15, 2021 23:25:32 GMT
Absolutely. And Tavare, trudging out to the middle with him. I wouldn`t mind waking up at 7am, to be told we were 120/0 off 90 overs. Yes, that would be a treat, we have had so many matches end in 3 or 4 days it just is not cricket. When i was a kid i would enjoy the summer holidays, 6 weeks of watching a full 5 days of test cricket on the BBC. Then going out to the local patch of grass, with loads of us being Botham, Gower, Gooch, Boycott, Lamb, Willis, Dilley, Randall, Emburey and a few others. My Dad was great at making the stumps, bails and bats, many got broken, but he just kept on making them. I remember the one occasion we were at W-S-M for a day trip. Me and my brother and my dad were playing beach cricket then someone else joined in and after about 10 minutes we had a few more then more we played with about 10 kids for about an hour whilst parents sat on the beach. Tide was out and the pitch was bigger than the Oval! Never happened to us again but your story made me remember it. Must have been 1964/1965. Happy days. (We’d have been Trueman, Dexter, Cowdrey, Simpson and Mackenzie) |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 16, 2021 0:27:35 GMT
The Ashes: Australia v England, second Test - Venue: Adelaide Oval Dates: 16-20 December Time: 04:00 GMT
James Anderson and Stuart Broad are in England's 12-man squad for the second Ashes Test against Australia.
England's leading Test wicket-takers were left out of the series opener, which ended in a nine-wicket defeat at the Gabba in Brisbane.
Pace bowler Mark Wood has been rested, while spinner Jack Leach, who conceded 102 runs in 13 overs, is in the squad.
The second Test is a day-night match in Adelaide and will use a pink ball.
Anderson, England's leading Test wicket-taker with 632, took 5-43 under the lights at the Adelaide Oval in 2018.
"It is always frustrating when you miss out on a Test but it is all about the big picture," 39-year-old Anderson told BBC Radio 5 Live.
"We have five Tests in fairly quick succession so we are trying to keep guys fresh.
"It shows how strong a squad we've got when myself and Stuart come back into the 12 for this Test. We are fully focused on getting back in the series."
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 16, 2021 9:11:08 GMT
Steve Smith is back as the Australian Captain. Quite shocking really.
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 16, 2021 9:36:29 GMT
Australia won the toss and elected to bat, it started well for England Broad removing their opener Harris with just 4 on the board, then.....
Warner 79no & Labuschagne 61no they are currently 151-1 from 61 overs, with 29 overs left we are in hope to remove another 2 or 3 wickets at the close.
Anderson is bowling superb 14-6-20-0 (1.43 econ), as for Smith, i like him as a cricketer, but he should never be captain again.
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 16, 2021 10:45:44 GMT
Australia won the toss and elected to bat, it started well for England Broad removing their opener Batter with just 4 on the board, then..... Warner 79no & Labuschagne 61no they are currently 151-1 from 61 overs, with 29 overs left we are in hope to remove another 2 or 3 wickets at the close. Anderson is bowling superb 14-6-20-0 (1.43 econ), as for Smith, i like him as a cricketer, but he should never be captain again. Smith and Warner should not be playing International cricket at all ! |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 16, 2021 12:29:54 GMT
Australia won the toss and elected to bat, it started well for England Broad removing their opener Batter with just 4 on the board, then..... Warner 79no & Labuschagne 61no they are currently 151-1 from 61 overs, with 29 overs left we are in hope to remove another 2 or 3 wickets at the close. Anderson is bowling superb 14-6-20-0 (1.43 econ), as for Smith, i like him as a cricketer, but he should never be captain again. Smith and Warner should not be playing International cricket at all ! Goes on all the time. They just got caught. Bright yellow tape, probably wasn`t the best plan. |
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 16, 2021 14:15:19 GMT
It looks like a fairly quiet day. 220 after 89 overs just about 2.5 per over. Anderson and Broad bowling well highlights what we didn’t have in the first test. Oh well without Cummings and Hazelwood may mean an easier time for our batsmen who may be looking at challenging 500+. We may take it into the 5th day this time.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 16, 2021 14:20:52 GMT
Smith and Warner should not be playing International cricket at all ! Goes on all the time. They just got caught. Bright yellow tape, probably wasn`t the best plan. You may be right alf about it happening frequently. But pretty sure that’s not the point. They were found out, all over the press and TV and Cricket Australia saying how sorry they are. Message it sends was poor. We had enough tears to sink the  and now three years later all’s well apparently. Smith is captain again and Warner fully re-integrated. And Bancroft who was their ‘patsy’ nowhere to be seen, he’s certainly paid the price. Message very clear, do whatever you want but don’t get caught. Honestly alf, it stinks. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 16, 2021 15:56:31 GMT
It looks like a fairly quiet day. 220 after 89 overs just about 2.5 per over. Anderson and Broad bowling well highlights what we didn’t have in the first test. Oh well without Cummings and Hazelwood may mean an easier time for our batsmen who may be looking at challenging 500+. We may take it into the 5th day this time. Aussies are 2-5, draw 11-4, England as wide as 14-1. Joss Buttler. Oops. I think you're supposed to catch those. Australia to get 500. England to crumble under pressure. I'm certainly no expert. But I think that's how it normally goes. |
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Post by Nobbygas on Dec 16, 2021 17:06:42 GMT
It looks like a fairly quiet day. 220 after 89 overs just about 2.5 per over. Anderson and Broad bowling well highlights what we didn’t have in the first test. Oh well without Cummings and Hazelwood may mean an easier time for our batsmen who may be looking at challenging 500+. We may take it into the 5th day this time. Aussies are 2-5, draw 11-4, England as wide as 14-1. Joss Buttler. Oops. I think you're supposed to catch those. Australia to get 500. England to crumble. I'm certainly no expert. But I think that's how it normally goes. Fixed it for you. |
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 16, 2021 21:07:32 GMT
Aussies are 2-5, draw 11-4, England as wide as 14-1. Joss Buttler. Oops. I think you're supposed to catch those. Australia to get 500. England to crumble. I'm certainly no expert. But I think that's how it normally goes. Fixed it for you. Can't complain, mustn't grumble, Help yourself to another piece of apple crumble. (No google searching, where's that lyric from)? |
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Post by alftupper on Dec 16, 2021 23:20:00 GMT
Goes on all the time. They just got caught. Bright yellow tape, probably wasn`t the best plan. You may be right alf about it happening frequently. But pretty sure that’s not the point. They were found out, all over the press and TV and Cricket Australia saying how sorry they are. Message it sends was poor. We had enough tears to sink the and now three years later all’s well apparently. Smith is captain again and Warner fully re-integrated. And Bancroft who was their ‘patsy’ nowhere to be seen, he’s certainly paid the price. Message very clear, do whatever you want but don’t get caught. Honestly alf, it stinks. Worse than the England captain, using his pocketful of dirt to affect the condition of the ball? Should he have been chucked out of international cricket, never to return?
I`m no more a fan of Australian cricket, than anyone else on here. But there`s a whiff of double standards i m h o.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 17, 2021 0:55:07 GMT
You may be right alf about it happening frequently. But pretty sure that’s not the point. They were found out, all over the press and TV and Cricket Australia saying how sorry they are. Message it sends was poor. We had enough tears to sink the and now three years later all’s well apparently. Smith is captain again and Warner fully re-integrated. And Bancroft who was their ‘patsy’ nowhere to be seen, he’s certainly paid the price. Message very clear, do whatever you want but don’t get caught. Honestly alf, it stinks. Worse than the England captain, using his pocketful of dirt to affect the condition of the ball? Should he have been chucked out of international cricket, never to return?
I`m no more a fan of Australian cricket, than anyone else on here. But there`s a whiff of double standards i m h o.
Well, I think it is different. Firstly, TV now is far more invasive now and it became a huge story very quickly. Splashed all over the papers and the TV. So it became a huge story very quickly and the way it unfolded caught the Aussies out and they couldn’t react or initially show any remorse. Very bad for the game and Australia on the whole, which was why the government got involved and were very critical of the players and demanded action from Cricket Australia (their Board of Control). Secondly, when Atherton did it he did it with dirt and from your earlier post when you said they were all doing it I think you’re right, that most have done it with dirt at some point. But it was a very amateurish way of doing it, completely unsubtle and stupid. Just as bowlers do it with boiled sweets, or rather as they used to do it. Umpires check up now I think. Taking sandpaper onto the field of play was taking it to a whole new level. Two very different situations. Thirdly, when Smith, Warner and Bancroft did it they took sandpaper onto the pitch and it was an obviously planned operation that several players were involved in. It was agreed that the sandpaper was to be kept down Bancroft's trousers and he would do the “deed”. No proof but the Australian bowlers would have known what was going on and having played cricket for many years I just don’t believe that they wouldn’t have known that sandpaper had been used on the ball. It was a conspiracy to cheat perhaps involving others and may have been going on for some time, despite Lehman’s denial. Fourthly, Atherton took responsibility and didn’t involve anyone else. Smith and Warner used their position in the team, their power and influence and got a younger player to do the act of cheating. That was/ is shameful, it is at least a form of bullying and perhaps worse. Fifthly, the reaction of the opposing team, the two Boards of Control, South Africa and Cricket Australia were so vehement which showed in itself how serious it was. I was in Australia shortly after and went to a few matches and Australians were ashamed of what had happened. They didn’t even try and defend it and some I spoke to in Sydney wanted the punishment to be greater. Lots of heads rolled from Cricket Australia over the issue, Stuart Sutherland, CEO, the coach and many others. Blimey they even had Tim Paine as captain for the last 3 years and he wouldn’t get a place in Somerset’s team but he smiled and said the right things when it was needed and gave the right image to show how the Australians had changed. So yes, I think they were very different when you dig deeper and see how it all unfolded and saw the repercussions of the whole unsavoury episode. And just to be clear, I don’t excuse Michael Atherton for what he did or try and speak up for him. What he did was wrong, more embarrassing than effective and without checking I can’t remember what punishment, if any he received. His reputation was tarnished more than anything but that he has recovered and I’m not sure many in the cricket world would even remember the finer details now. But no excuse it was wrong. |
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Post by bluetornados on Dec 17, 2021 4:44:26 GMT
Worse than the England captain, using his pocketful of dirt to affect the condition of the ball? Should he have been chucked out of international cricket, never to return?
I`m no more a fan of Australian cricket, than anyone else on here. But there`s a whiff of double standards i m h o.
Well, I think it is different. Firstly, TV now is far more invasive now and it became a huge story very quickly. Splashed all over the papers and the TV. So it became a huge story very quickly and the way it unfolded caught the Aussies out and they couldn’t react or initially show any remorse. Very bad for the game and Australia on the whole, which was why the government got involved and were very critical of the players and demanded action from Cricket Australia (their Board of Control). Secondly, when Atherton did it he did it with dirt and from your earlier post when you said they were all doing it I think you’re right, that most have done it with dirt at some point. But it was a very amateurish way of doing it, completely unsubtle and stupid. Just as bowlers do it with boiled sweets, or rather as they used to do it. Umpires check up now I think. Taking sandpaper onto the field of play was taking it to a whole new level. Two very different situations. Thirdly, when Smith, Warner and Bancroft did it they took sandpaper onto the pitch and it was an obviously planned operation that several players were involved in. It was agreed that the sandpaper was to be kept down Bancroft's trousers and he would do the “deed”. No proof but the Australian bowlers would have known what was going on and having played cricket for many years I just don’t believe that they wouldn’t have known that sandpaper had been used on the ball. It was a conspiracy to cheat perhaps involving others and may have been going on for some time, despite Lehman’s denial. Fourthly, Atherton took responsibility and didn’t involve anyone else. Smith and Warner used their position in the team, their power and influence and got a younger player to do the act of cheating. That was/ is shameful, it is at least a form of bullying and perhaps worse. Fifthly, the reaction of the opposing team, the two Boards of Control, South Africa and Cricket Australia were so vehement which showed in itself how serious it was. I was in Australia shortly after and went to a few matches and Australians were ashamed of what had happened. They didn’t even try and defend it and some I spoke to in Sydney wanted the punishment to be greater. Lots of heads rolled from Cricket Australia over the issue, Stuart Sutherland, CEO, the coach and many others. Blimey they even had Tim Paine as captain for the last 3 years and he wouldn’t get a place in Somerset’s team but he smiled and said the right things when it was needed and gave the right image to show how the Australians had changed. **So yes, I think they were very different when you dig deeper and see how it all unfolded and saw the repercussions of the whole unsavoury episode. And just to be clear, I don’t excuse Michael Atherton for what he did or try and speak up for him. What he did was wrong, more embarrassing than effective and without checking I can’t remember what punishment, if any he received. His reputation was tarnished more than anything but that he has recovered and I’m not sure many in the cricket world would even remember the finer details now. But no excuse it was wrong.His reputation suffered a blow when he was implicated in a ball-tampering controversy during the first Test against South Africa at Lord's, for which he was fined £2,000 by Ray Illingworth. Atherton was accused of lying to Peter Burge, the match referee. Atherton claims in his autobiography that he answered 'no' when asked if he had anything in his pockets. He believed that Burge was referring to nefarious substances such as resin or lip salve. Nonetheless the TV pictures were damning, showing Atherton deliberately putting dirt, taken from the pitch, on the ball. Strictly speaking, Atherton was not breaking the laws – he pointed out that plenty of bowlers improve their grip on the ball by rubbing their hands on the pitch. |
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and now three years later all’s well apparently. Smith is captain again and Warner fully re-integrated. And Bancroft who was their ‘patsy’ nowhere to be seen, he’s certainly paid the price.