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Post by lostinspace on Aug 20, 2014 6:55:34 GMT
Winchester was the capital in 1066 of Wessex and England as a whole. Not sure whether Somerton was an older capital. Harold Godwin or Godwinson (Harold II of arrow in the eye fame, although apparently that was a myth) was Earl of Wessex and they were a West Country family and the most powerful family in the late Saxon period. How things would have been different if the Saxons had not charged down the hill at Hastings after getting over excited. Ranks up there with Marcus Stewart hitting the post in the 1995 play off final. Tides of history often turn on small things. Actually had all the English charged down the hill, rather than just a portion of them, they would probably have won. The Norman infantry line had broken on their left after taking a hammering during their initial assault. The centre then wavered as the English right charged forwards in pursuit.
In the confusion William the not yet conqueror was unhorsed. This was the pivotal point of the battle and Harold blew it. A general advance down what is a very steep hill, would have swept the Normans off the field and we would probably be speaking a language resembling Dutch.
I rather like to think of it as Gareth Taylor missing that virtually open goal in the same match.
you sound a bit max boyce like as in "i was there"!!
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 20, 2014 6:59:30 GMT
Anyone know what NH meant by investors that might only invest for a week and then disappear ? Yes and No. I get the general point, but if a someone does come along and we build UWE what can that investor/owner do as he/Rovers will not own the land UWE stadium is built on. And unless they pay to build the stadium I don't so how a new investor will screw us for rent if the Sainsbury's money buys and pays for UWE
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 7:45:02 GMT
Pretty easy when the stadium is owned by a different company to the football club. How hard would it be for a main share holder in both the football club and the stadium company to let the football club go bust while keeping ownership of the stadium company, not that hard I would suggest. I guess Oxford never thought they would end up paying Mr Kasam rent .....
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 20, 2014 8:09:34 GMT
Pretty easy when the stadium is owned by a different company to the football club. How hard would it be for a main share holder in both the football club and the stadium company to let the football club go bust while keeping ownership of the stadium company, not that hard I would suggest. I guess Oxford never thought they would end up paying Mr Kasam rent ..... I don't really get why they would. They wouldn't be able to knock the stadium down and sell the land for development presumably without UWE's agreement, and UWE want a stadium, so what would be the point of a stadium without a sports team bringing in a regular income?
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 20, 2014 8:10:46 GMT
Pretty easy when the stadium is owned by a different company to the football club. How hard would it be for a main share holder in both the football club and the stadium company to let the football club go bust while keeping ownership of the stadium company, not that hard I would suggest. I guess Oxford never thought they would end up paying Mr Kasam rent ..... I thought Rovers/1883 Ltd were going to own the stadium anyway
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 20, 2014 8:34:20 GMT
They were charged 50% of the going rate of comparable hotels,,i would put the spade down if i were you I will believe you over someone heavily involved in the Beeches at that time that I was also involved in business with if you can show the proof.... Padstow is partially right, the 'Where's the money Gone' report found that The Beeches was no more expensive than any other hotels in the area and cheaper than most who could accommodate long term guests. And that was a fact determined by accountant 'fans'. From memory the rate used was dictated by the equivelent accom at three other hotels of similar rating and accommodation available. I've always said I've no problems Directors other businesses making turnover from their association with Rovers, after all if they dont make money they cant fund failure like they have been.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 20, 2014 8:40:30 GMT
Anyone know what NH meant by investors that might only invest for a week and then disappear ? perhaps the Salisbury example, in fact Touzer allegedly didnt invest, slept at club house for a week or so, got key to safe and took this seasons season ticket money with him when he disappeared, allegedly again.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 20, 2014 8:42:05 GMT
Pretty easy when the stadium is owned by a different company to the football club. How hard would it be for a main share holder in both the football club and the stadium company to let the football club go bust while keeping ownership of the stadium company, not that hard I would suggest. I guess Oxford never thought they would end up paying Mr Kasam rent ..... designed more to work the other way around! IE football club goes bust and doesnt loose ground to creditors. Key is the ownership of the stadium company.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 20, 2014 10:40:16 GMT
He's sat by his letter box awaiting the letter to say his ban's over They lost my address years ago if you remember their excuse for taking six years to issue me with the letter by hand. ;-) As for a director resigning, it's the least he and others could do after their recent record of running the club. Credit goes to GD for this decision. Why credit Kevin ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 11:06:11 GMT
Kev, not sure if you saw NH on the tv today, it was said about the investor who looked at rovers and decided to buy into another club. It was made to sound that it was this persons decision and not refused by the board. Do you think any of the former directors will offer to go back? Colin will always have 101 ideas how to sort things out and people would be silly to ignore him. A probabilistic certainty.
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Post by therealist on Aug 20, 2014 11:20:28 GMT
Anyone know what NH meant by investors that might only invest for a week and then disappear ? perhaps the Salisbury example, in fact Touzer allegedly didnt invest, slept at club house for a week or so, got key to safe and took this seasons season ticket money with him when he disappeared, allegedly again. Minimal due diligence would show two very different businessman - one a complete crook/conman with previous in a make-believe 'Global Green Generation Group' sham business and a ramshackle limo service, the other having been involved in high-profile deals worth multi-millions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 11:31:27 GMT
I will believe you over someone heavily involved in the Beeches at that time that I was also involved in business with if you can show the proof.... Padstow is partially right, the 'Where's the money Gone' report found that The Beeches was no more expensive than any other hotels in the area and cheaper than most who could accommodate long term guests. And that was a fact determined by accountant 'fans'. From memory the rate used was dictated by the equivelent accom at three other hotels of similar rating and accommodation available. I've always said I've no problems Directors other businesses making turnover from their association with Rovers, after all if they dont make money they cant fund failure like they have been. Perhaps Padstow is using places such as the Hotel Du Vin in Bristol to use the term as comparable, but if you were to stay at the Hotel Du Vin you would not need to walk a mile to the local supermarket and purchase a frozen meal and then use the microwave in the hotel kitchen to warm it up. It is one small part of the myth of directors being Gasheads who have lost £££££ while being directors, in comparison I would argue that these millionaires lose a fraction of comparable income to Joe/Joanne Bloggs on the terraces who has no say in how his/her club is run and is now watching their club crumble in front of their very own eyes, with the same inept people holding on for a large payouts to see if the 6th or 7th virtual stadium Rovers have had drawings for is delivered.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Aug 20, 2014 11:31:58 GMT
Whilst we're on the subject of history, I believe chippenham was the ancient capital of the kings of Wessex or west saxony!!? (This is far better than discussing our striker shortage I think)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 11:36:55 GMT
Agree, however ask the owners of the one Coventry used to play in :-) Guess when Rovers sold Eastville all those years ago they thought they would always be wanted as a tenant at a reasonable rent. These things do happen ....
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Post by irishrover on Aug 20, 2014 11:51:10 GMT
Winchester was the capital in 1066 of Wessex and England as a whole. Not sure whether Somerton was an older capital. Harold Godwin or Godwinson (Harold II of arrow in the eye fame, although apparently that was a myth) was Earl of Wessex and they were a West Country family and the most powerful family in the late Saxon period. How things would have been different if the Saxons had not charged down the hill at Hastings after getting over excited. Ranks up there with Marcus Stewart hitting the post in the 1995 play off final. Tides of history often turn on small things. Actually had all the English charged down the hill, rather than just a portion of them, they would probably have won. The Norman infantry line had broken on their left after taking a hammering during their initial assault. The centre then wavered as the English right charged forwards in pursuit.
In the confusion William the not yet conqueror was unhorsed. This was the pivotal point of the battle and Harold blew it. A general advance down what is a very steep hill, would have swept the Normans off the field and we would probably be speaking a language resembling Dutch.
I rather like to think of it as Gareth Taylor missing that virtually open goal in the same match.
True - but the Norman's modernised and stabilised the whole concept of England/Britain as a country. They invented our legal system, our parliament and an awful lot of our state appratus and traditions. At that point the country was still basically a group of warring tribes that kept splitting bits of it up from time to time. Hence Harrold's troops being knackered in that battle because he'd marched them all across the country from successfully stopping another invasion. Norman's were the pre-eminent power in the Northern Europe at the time - hard to think they wouldn't have come back for another crack at it had they lost at Hastings. The England of Harold was incredibly unstable and vulnerable. Perhaps it would have been more like Sergio Ommell somehow getting away with pushing the Kidderminster keeper into the net to beat a 9 man (became 8) team 2-1 and just about stay up with what is still (unbelievable given what's happened since) the worst Rovers side I've ever seen in 2002.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 20, 2014 12:00:41 GMT
perhaps the Salisbury example, in fact Touzer allegedly didnt invest, slept at club house for a week or so, got key to safe and took this seasons season ticket money with him when he disappeared, allegedly again. Minimal due diligence would show two very different businessman - one a complete crook/conman with previous in a make-believe 'Global Green Generation Group' sham business and a ramshackle limo service, the other having been involved in high-profile deals worth multi-millions. a crook/conman who was passed by FA Compliance team as being a fit and proper director - you couldnt make it up, I found convictions for someone with same name and associates in USA after about 3 minutes on Google shortly after they announced his appointment, and the signing of a Prince to play for them and sent to my old PA and Salisbury fan who passed it on to the Supporters club, but they'd already found them themselves by that stage (too late!). Hence why I say I have sympathy for Salisbury , but the People legitimately trying to save them really didnt check anything out in their desperation.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 20, 2014 13:10:38 GMT
Agree, however ask the owners of the one Coventry used to play in :-) Guess when Rovers sold Eastville all those years ago they thought they would always be wanted as a tenant at a reasonable rent. These things do happen ....
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Aug 20, 2014 13:14:08 GMT
Agree, however ask the owners of the one Coventry used to play in :-) Guess when Rovers sold Eastville all those years ago they thought they would always be wanted as a tenant at a reasonable rent. These things do happen .... Without letting facts get in the way of your well thought out err thoughts.At the Ricoh there is a lot more than football going on. At Eastville they owned the freehold so were free to do what they wanted with the land, at UWE it will be leasehold with UWE deciding what can or more importantly can't be done with the land
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Post by womble on Aug 20, 2014 13:53:37 GMT
Actually had all the English charged down the hill, rather than just a portion of them, they would probably have won. The Norman infantry line had broken on their left after taking a hammering during their initial assault. The centre then wavered as the English right charged forwards in pursuit.
In the confusion William the not yet conqueror was unhorsed. This was the pivotal point of the battle and Harold blew it. A general advance down what is a very steep hill, would have swept the Normans off the field and we would probably be speaking a language resembling Dutch.
I rather like to think of it as Gareth Taylor missing that virtually open goal in the same match.
True - but the Norman's modernised and stabilised the whole concept of England/Britain as a country. They invented our legal system, our parliament and an awful lot of our state appratus and traditions. At that point the country was still basically a group of warring tribes that kept splitting bits of it up from time to time. Hence Harrold's troops being knackered in that battle because he'd marched them all across the country from successfully stopping another invasion. Norman's were the pre-eminent power in the Northern Europe at the time - hard to think they wouldn't have come back for another crack at it had they lost at Hastings. The England of Harold was incredibly unstable and vulnerable. Perhaps it would have been more like Sergio Ommell somehow getting away with pushing the Kidderminster keeper into the net to beat a 9 man (became 8) team 2-1 and just about stay up with what is still (unbelievable given what's happened since) the worst Rovers side I've ever seen in 2002. Can't say I really agree with some of that. England was basically administered as one country from 973. Harold's England was very vulnerable as Edward the Confessor's failure to leave any heirs left rival claimants, Harold's claim being paper thin. Harold's crushing victory at Stamford Bridge before Hastings, finished the Viking threat from the north. He very nearly completed the job against the Viking descendants from Normandy.
The Normans inherited a country with a nationwide system of governance and tax collection. An early form of jury had already been introduced by Aethelred the Unready, which was more like a body of inquiry, as they had to collect evidence themselves.
Anyway, if Fred Ashmead hadn't sold Eastville in 1940, where would be now?
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 20, 2014 14:33:50 GMT
Agree, however ask the owners of the one Coventry used to play in :-) Guess when Rovers sold Eastville all those years ago they thought they would always be wanted as a tenant at a reasonable rent. These things do happen .... Without letting facts get in the way of your well thought out err thoughts.At the Ricoh there is a lot more than football going on. At Eastville they owned the freehold so were free to do what they wanted with the land, at UWE it will be leasehold with UWE deciding what can or more importantly can't be done with the land Exactly that, the Ricoh is a conference centre with a field in the middle of it, the conference facilities at the UWE won't be big enough to pay for the upkeep of the whole thing, and UWE surely don't want the land to be used for development, as they could have done that themselves
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