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Post by irishrover on Oct 25, 2021 10:59:37 GMT
Epping, Hereford started in tier 9, was that because they played at their own ground from the start? AFC Bury haven’t so they’ve stated at tier 10. No idea if that has anything to do with the decision. AFCW obviously didn’t start at their own ground so don’t know the reasoning. As to your points regarding phoenix clubs, yes I don’t necessarily disagree. Both Exeter and AFCW have shown it can be done successfully. Exeter have had to overcome some problems but their academy seems to fund them very well. But they will have to keep producing players to sell. And they are still only in League 2 which may be a glass ceiling for them. But it shows that there’s no major reason why the model can’t work to a level. And AFCW have achieved so much that we aspire to, new ground without big, wealthy owners. And I suspect the governance of such clubs and the decision making is far more accountable and understandable. I’m not sure the Bury example is proving such a unifying experience! UTG! I think it sometimes comes down to where gaps are in the pyramid. Sometimes clubs at that level will even refuse promotion because they don't want the increased cost/travel attached to promotion. The big problem around here is making sure that Tier 10 has a fuill complement of teams. There's real problems with the sustainability of clubs at that level - many have gone under or stepped out of the pyramid for cost reasons. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 25, 2021 13:19:23 GMT
Buckhurst Hill (tier 10, yet to visit the ground) aren't currently paying their players - but chatting to one of their coaches in the pub, he said that another promotion might see the players being paid. But with very small gates, that is unsustainable and leads to the same old problem of relying on donations and/or a wealthy owner to bail them out...
I am pretty sure Waltham Abbey (tier 8) are paying players, but when I saw them recently the attendance was a mere 70. Madness.
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Post by baselswh on Jan 8, 2022 16:09:18 GMT
Bury have Gigg Lane back!
Not sure which version of the Shakers that is.
I hope both clubs can know unite.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 9, 2022 0:07:00 GMT
Bury have Gigg Lane back! Not sure which version of the Shakers that is. I hope both clubs can know unite. Sounds like AFC Bury (currently playing) and Bury FC (who own the name & Gigg Lane and not currrently playing) will merge. 2 non-league sides in Bury - possibly even in the same league, would be madness. Hopefully common sense prevails. Another fan-owned Club climbing back up the leagues in a year or two. Great to see traditional names rescued by the supporters and back up and running. Good luck to them. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 9, 2022 11:48:01 GMT
Bury have Gigg Lane back! Not sure which version of the Shakers that is. I hope both clubs can know unite. As we said back in October AFC Bury have the league position, Bury FC look to have the ground now and as you said it was vital they should unite. Now it sounds as if they are talking which must be good. I guess they need t accept the NW Counties League and plan fo r promotions to get them back in the league. As Newport and AFC Wimbledon have found out it will take about 10 years for that. They will need to accept that as a rough time scale I’d have thought. But some won’t like that length of time and may carry on the argument. Let’s hope wise voices prevail. I hope this whole story acts as a reminder about what a club that doesn’t worry about the linking of expenditure to income can do when owners have their own financial plans which don’t correspond with what is best for the football club. This then causes a divided fan base and you have all the consequences of that. |
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 9, 2022 20:38:47 GMT
Bury have Gigg Lane back! Not sure which version of the Shakers that is. I hope both clubs can know unite. As we said back in October AFC Bury have the league position, Bury FC look to have the ground now and as you said it was vital they should unite. Now it sounds as if they are talking which must be good. I guess they need t accept the NW Counties League and plan fo r promotions to get them back in the league. As Newport and AFC Wimbledon have found out it will take about 10 years for that. They will need to accept that as a rough time scale I’d have thought. But some won’t like that length of time and may carry on the argument. Let’s hope wise voices prevail. I hope this whole story acts as a reminder about what a club that doesn’t worry about the linking of expenditure to income can do when owners have their own financial plans which don’t correspond with what is best for the football club. This then causes a divided fan base and you have all the consequences of that. The thing I really like about fan owned Clubs (and ones where fans have a minority holding) - is that they care more about sustainability than success. They invariably exist because previous owners effectively bankrupted their Club due to over expenditure. These Clubs could easily have just died. Hence sustainability and watching the Club at ANY level - is more important than spending beyond your means to try and achieve "success". I still worry that Rovers would be totally destroyed if Wael Al-Qadi walked away. No-one in their right mind would buy us. It would be down to the supporters to try and keep the Club going. Given the apathy around the Gas Trust / Black and Gold / BRISA / Share Scheme etc - and with a history of SC / PC infighting, bad blood, politics, general toxicity and division in the support base, I have serious doubts this would happen. If people think that Wael Al-Qadi will keep spending £2.5-£3mil a year in perpetuity to see us languishing in League 2 - they are seriously deluded. Apologies for coming across as negative. Maybe I'm over thinking the situation... |
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 19, 2022 10:37:29 GMT
Bury fans have completed the deal to but back Gigg Lane and will now go forward as Bury FC , they expect to be playing there for the 22/23 season
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 19, 2022 11:39:37 GMT
Very sad. Football is losing the plot. Was there ever a plot? |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2022 12:28:21 GMT
Sounds like good news for Bury. This latest news seems to confirm what’s been said above. Looks like AFC Bury with the league placing in NW Counties League and Bury FC with the ground will eventually merge to make one club. Just need to finalise in readiness for 22/23. Good luck to them. Exciting few years to come with a few promotions before they start to challenge in NLN and National League. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60438168 |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2022 12:30:19 GMT
This very same topic Bury FC, has been posted on in General Football area with lots of up to date stuff.
Mods, perhaps merge?
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 19, 2022 12:53:28 GMT
This very same topic Bury FC, has been posted on in General Football area with lots of up to date stuff. Mods, perhaps merge? UTG! last post there [other than yours today was Jan 9th...],did check there before re emerging this from the earlier /original posting , but yes merge there by all means |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2022 14:19:04 GMT
This very same topic Bury FC, has been posted on in General Football area with lots of up to date stuff. Mods, perhaps merge? UTG! last post there [other than yours today was Jan 9th...],did check there before re emerging this from the earlier /original posting , but yes merge there by all means 👍👍👍 UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 20, 2022 8:30:21 GMT
Merged threads. Thanks for he heads up...
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 30, 2022 21:18:16 GMT
I have just read in the Bury Times that both sides of the argument, AFC Bury (who have a Northern PremierLeague place) and Bury FC (who own Gigg Lane) have voted on the proposal to merge so that Bury can have one team representing the town. The votes have been counted and something like 93% of AFC Bury fans voted for the merger and 63.7% of the Bury FC fans voted for it. Unfortunately it needed a two thirds majority (66.6%) to enable the proposal to be successful. So, no new unified team in Bury atm. Bury Council had promised £450,000 to the unified club if the proposal went ahead.
So close and yet so far away. The Council have said they were disappointed that the result didn’t meet the threshold but that the money would be still there in the future if they vote again and get the threshold. Seems like a few stubborn people standing in the way of progress which is a shame for the greater good of Bury football.
(I’d have copied the article but it didn’t seem to work and I’m not brilliant at that stuff.)
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Post by bluetornados on Oct 30, 2022 22:11:42 GMT
I have just read in the Bury Times that both sides of the argument, AFC Bury (who have a Northern PremierLeague place) and Bury FC (who own Gigg Lane) have voted on the proposal to merge so that Bury can have one team representing the town. The votes have been counted and something like 93% of AFC Bury fans voted for the merger and 63.7% of the Bury FC fans voted for it. Unfortunately it needed a two thirds majority (66.6%) to enable the proposal to be successful. So, no new unified team in Bury atm. Bury Council had promised £450,000 to the unified club if the proposal went ahead. So close and yet so far away. The Council have said they were disappointed that the result didn’t meet the threshold but that the money would be still there in the future if they vote again and get the threshold. Seems like a few stubborn people standing in the way of progress which is a shame for the greater good of Bury football. (I’d have copied the article but it didn’t seem to work and I’m not brilliant at that stuff.) UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2022 0:14:47 GMT
Thanks bt, if anyone could you could.👍
The supporters of Bury FC (don’t know if you can call them that seeing as there is no Bury FC to support) must be very strange, bitter or something to not take the opportunity to resurrect football in Bury.
But as we know, football folk can be unique sometimes! 🤔
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 31, 2022 9:17:53 GMT
Thanks bt, if anyone could you could.👍 The supporters of Bury FC (don’t know if you can call them that seeing as there is no Bury FC to support) must be very strange, bitter or something to not take the opportunity to resurrect football in Bury. But as we know, football folk can be unique sometimes! 🤔 UTG! Very sad that the two groups can't agree. Bury is quite a fashionable up and coming area. I wonder if Bury FC, the owners of Gigg Lane (valuable land) are looking for some kind of pay off? When something as odd as this situation occurs, my first thought is to look for who stands to gain most financially. Regards, cynical bar steward. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 31, 2022 9:26:50 GMT
Thanks bt, if anyone could you could.👍 The supporters of Bury FC (don’t know if you can call them that seeing as there is no Bury FC to support) must be very strange, bitter or something to not take the opportunity to resurrect football in Bury. But as we know, football folk can be unique sometimes! 🤔 UTG! Very sad that the two groups can't agree. Bury is quite a fashionable up and coming area. I wonder if Bury FC, the owners of Gigg Lane (valuable land) are looking for some kind of pay off? When something as odd as this situation occurs, my first thought is to look for who stands to gain most financially. Regards, cynical bar steward. It is sad epping, but given that 63.7% did agree with the merger then it seems a very small minority is stopping it when the vast 63.7% + 93% voted to merge. You may well be right over the owners of Gigg Lane wanting something, always someone wanting a buck or two! Although I thought that Dale, the previous owner, has long disappeared form the scene. Perhaps the Bury FC lot are waiting for AFC Bury to get to something like NLN before throwing everything behind them. Hard to believe anyone voted against it on the basis of just football. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 14, 2023 23:56:45 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64954008News that the vote to merge Bury AFC with Bury FC is to be held again. Let’s hope common sense, over 66%, will enable AFC the team to join with FC who have the ground to start the rise of Bury back to the EFL. If they can do that then they will have a long old haul to get back but I’m sure they’ll have a lot of fun doing it.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 15, 2023 16:15:03 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64954008News that the vote to merge Bury AFC with Bury FC is to be held again. Let’s hope common sense, over 66%, will enable AFC the team to join with FC who have the ground to start the rise of Bury back to the EFL. If they can do that then they will have a long old haul to get back but I’m sure they’ll have a lot of fun doing it. Sounds like good news and common sense will prevail. Fingers crossed... |
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