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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 12:36:51 GMT
also more importantly they werent thrown out of the league
as much as i detest city i wouldnt have wanted that, some sort of demotion though
OTIB also didn't mention that the rules were changed after the events of 1982. No idea what these rules were though. Would Bury have been treated differently in the current circumstances had this not occurred? i supose so, city just changed their name and carried on |
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Post by littlestokegas on Aug 31, 2019 7:55:05 GMT
Nope. 3rd round of FA Cup. I stand corrected - cheers So still a free weekend then  |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 31, 2019 8:14:36 GMT
Is it clear what it means for us in terms of relegation? One more successful side promoted, still 4 struggling losers sent down? Because Bury were at disadvantage trying to go past us, Bolton if they survive have battle to go past us, but Southend, Tranmere, Wimbledon crap though they are are capable of getting more points than us. Now 3 down, 4 up. As for our chances... BBC:The EFL had already outlined how it intended to balance the leagues if Bury were expelled: The current League One season would be completed with 23 teams, with the number of relegation places reduced to three. Four teams will still be promoted from League Two this season, ensuring League One is rebalanced in 2020-21. Only one team will be relegated from League Two, with two to be promoted from the National League as usual. If you were Notts Co or Yeovil you'd be a bit gutted. Or Mansfield for that matter. Bury cost them a place in L2 or L1 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 9:30:35 GMT
Now 3 down, 4 up. As for our chances... BBC:The EFL had already outlined how it intended to balance the leagues if Bury were expelled: The current League One season would be completed with 23 teams, with the number of relegation places reduced to three. Four teams will still be promoted from League Two this season, ensuring League One is rebalanced in 2020-21. Only one team will be relegated from League Two, with two to be promoted from the National League as usual. If you were Notts Co or Yeovil you'd be a bit gutted. Or Mansfield for that matter. Bury cost them a place in L2 or L1 That's a good point. Bury are spitting their dummy and threatening the EFL with legal action, they should look at themselves first and foremost, it's not the EFL who made them live beyond their means last season, and as you say, they should be apologising to the teams that they disadvantaged last season. |
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 31, 2019 11:34:37 GMT
If you were Notts Co or Yeovil you'd be a bit gutted. Or Mansfield for that matter. Bury cost them a place in L2 or L1 That's a good point. Bury are spitting their dummy and threatening the EFL with legal action, they should look at themselves first and foremost, it's not the EFL who made them live beyond their means last season, and as you say, they should be apologising to the teams that they disadvantaged last season. Bamber agreeing with me!!! The last time Bury kicked a ball in anger in the EFL was in L2, 12 pt deduction this season meant jack. 12 pts last season however.. When Swindon were demoted didn't Notts Co go up in their place? Or did i get that wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 11:49:24 GMT
That's a good point. Bury are spitting their dummy and threatening the EFL with legal action, they should look at themselves first and foremost, it's not the EFL who made them live beyond their means last season, and as you say, they should be apologising to the teams that they disadvantaged last season. Bamber agreeing with me!!! The last time Bury kicked a ball in anger in the EFL was in L2, 12 pt deduction this season meant jack. 12 pts last season however.. When Swindon were demoted didn't Notts Co go up in their place? Or did i get that wrong Where the EFL do have questions to answer is not getting this sorted before the season started. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 17:02:34 GMT
f**k bury we live in the south west. People from the Manchester area obviously don't give a f**k about them. We are in the s**t aswell.
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Post by mangogas15 on Aug 31, 2019 17:25:57 GMT
Bamber agreeing with me!!! The last time Bury kicked a ball in anger in the EFL was in L2, 12 pt deduction this season meant jack. 12 pts last season however.. When Swindon were demoted didn't Notts Co go up in their place? Or did i get that wrong Where the EFL do have questions to answer is not getting this sorted before the season started. There were deadlines after deadlines |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 1, 2019 12:04:30 GMT
f bury we live in the south west. People from the Manchester area obviously don't give a f about them. We are in the s*** aswell. Nice to see the football brotherhood thriving. I think this will see a domino effect now. Could very easily happen to us and look at our gates, creeping downwards. Be careful what you wish for |
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 2, 2019 22:00:04 GMT
Bury's expulsion from the EFL: MP James Frith to put forward League Two proposal
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Bury were expelled from the EFL on Wednesday after 125 years
Bury North MP James Frith has said he plans to put forward a proposal to the EFL by 20 September in a bid to have Bury reinstated to League Two in 2020-21.
The Shakers, who were in League One, were expelled from the EFL last week.
"We believe it is time to put forward a fair resolution that the club, the town and the wider game can unite around," Frith said.
Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham has also backed the proposal.
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Bury fans spend Saturday afternoon at Gigg Lane
Shakers threaten EFL with legal action
MP calls for League Two place for Bury
He told BBC sports editor Dan Roan: "We need to try and get a way forward for Bury FC that the fans, town and wider football family can get behind, and that's what we've been discussing.
"We recognise the mismanagement that has put Bury in this situation, so we understand EFL needs to take action, but feel the punishment is unduly harsh and what we've developed today is a proposal to try and persuade the other clubs that Bury should remain a Football League club, but entering League Two for next season."
Bury's 125-year membership of the Football League was ended after a proposed takeover bid from potential owners C&N Sporting Risk collapsed.
Following takeover talks with club owner Steve Dale that had moved slowly all summer, the Gigg Lane club had already cancelled their first five league games and been thrown out of the EFL Cup, for non-fulfilment of a first-round fixture.
Bury's expulsion means that three clubs, rather than four, will be relegated from League One this season and just one, instead of two, from League Two.
so they think they are a special case.... have probably cost clubs in the division money already because of no game, advertising revenue and pre match sponsors !!
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 17, 2019 21:46:45 GMT
Saturday 4th January 2020 we were due to play them so free weekend. Nope. 3rd round of FA Cup. You called it right. |
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Post by RiversGas on Dec 17, 2019 23:41:41 GMT
Nope. 3rd round of FA Cup. Sorry dido but no points in the predictions league for this. |
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Post by baselswh on Oct 22, 2021 18:47:48 GMT
Apparently Bury FC have accepted a bid from a consortium of fans to buy the club and Gigg Lane.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 22, 2021 19:45:56 GMT
Yes it seems a good thing to have happened. This is a separate group from the group that created AFC Bury which plays in the NW Counties League. So now Bury could have two teams in the town. From watching a programme a few months ago there seemed to be some animosity towards AFC Bury from some who thought they could still establish a Bury FC higher up the pyramid.
I hope, for their sake, that the two groups can now join together and use the ground that the new group have and the league position that the AFC Bury has and make a new single Bury club and start the climb back.
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Post by baselswh on Oct 22, 2021 21:14:46 GMT
Yes it seems a good thing to have happened. This is a separate group from the group that created AFC Bury which plays in the NW Counties League. So now Bury could have two teams in the town. From watching a programme a few months ago there seemed to be some animosity towards AFC Bury from some who thought they could still establish a Bury FC higher up the pyramid. I hope, for their sake, that the two groups can now join together and use the ground that the new group have and the league position that the AFC Bury has and make a new single Bury club and start the climb back. UTG! Yeh Wareham,the two groups have to unite.Vital. |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 23, 2021 12:49:49 GMT
Yes it seems a good thing to have happened. This is a separate group from the group that created AFC Bury which plays in the NW Counties League. So now Bury could have two teams in the town. From watching a programme a few months ago there seemed to be some animosity towards AFC Bury from some who thought they could still establish a Bury FC higher up the pyramid. I hope, for their sake, that the two groups can now join together and use the ground that the new group have and the league position that the AFC Bury has and make a new single Bury club and start the climb back. UTG! Yeh Wareham,the two groups have to unite.Vital. I was in Manchester earlier in the year and cycled up to Gigg Lane. Lots of scarves and good luck messages from a number of Clubs. Bury is quite a decent place to live, good connections to Manchester. Would be good to see them back in the League soon. As we can all agree - a united supporter base is essential. Wael al-Qadi take note. |
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Post by irishrover on Oct 24, 2021 13:11:50 GMT
They are deluding themselves if they think they can gain entrance higher up the pyramid than AFC Bury. They will have to start from the bottom like everybody else. The logical thing to do would be merge with AFC Bury and then switch to Gigg Lane completing their resurrecton. However, I imagine egos and bad faith on both sides may result in Bury now having 2 clubs at least for a while....
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 24, 2021 21:24:32 GMT
They are deluding themselves if they think they can gain entrance higher up the pyramid than AFC Bury. They will have to start from the bottom like everybody else. The logical thing to do would be merge with AFC Bury and then switch to Gigg Lane completing their resurrecton. However, I imagine egos and bad faith on both sides may result in Bury now having 2 clubs at least for a while.... It’s the obvious solution. Bury FC have the ground, AFC Bury have the league position and will have done a lot of the groundwork in establishing the Phoenix club. If heads are knocked together then they have a genuine chance I’d have thought of eventually reclaiming their league place. Without it... Surely common sense will prevail despite all the egos. UTG! |
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 25, 2021 9:19:21 GMT
They are deluding themselves if they think they can gain entrance higher up the pyramid than AFC Bury. They will have to start from the bottom like everybody else. The logical thing to do would be merge with AFC Bury and then switch to Gigg Lane completing their resurrecton. However, I imagine egos and bad faith on both sides may result in Bury now having 2 clubs at least for a while.... It’s the obvious solution. Bury FC have the ground, AFC Bury have the league position and will have done a lot of the groundwork in establishing the Phoenix club. If heads are knocked together then they have a genuine chance I’d have thought of eventually reclaiming their league place. Without it... Surely common sense will prevail despite all the egos. UTG! Minor point. Interesting that Bury AFC started life in tier 10. AFC Wimbledon started in tier 9 as did Hereford FC. So not sure what the 'rules' are regarding phoenix Clubs. I would imagine the FA give them some kind of case by case judgment and introduce them at the 'appropriate' level, whatever that might mean. I really like the idea of fan-owned sustainable phoenix Clubs. The 'business' model of the vast majority of most EFL Clubs is totally broken. Based on rich owners financially bailing out Clubs on a regular basis. Totally unsustainable. Ring any bells? When the rich owners walk away and debts are to be paid... you know what happens next. I think we'll see a lot more Clubs going into Administration and the 'new' sustainable fan owned Clubs replacing them in the lower tiers. Seriously. At the risk of getting huge amounts of abuse (best I write my comments here rather than on the main guzzler) I think I would really get behind a phoenix BRFC far more than the existing Club (and that is even without Barton). I am enjoying my odyssey around the lower tiers of the football pyramid. In the long term, I honestly think it would be better for BRFC. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 25, 2021 10:14:11 GMT
Epping,
Hereford started in tier 9, was that because they played at their own ground from the start? AFC Bury haven’t so they’ve stated at tier 10. No idea if that has anything to do with the decision. AFCW obviously didn’t start at their own ground so don’t know the reasoning.
As to your points regarding phoenix clubs, yes I don’t necessarily disagree. Both Exeter and AFCW have shown it can be done successfully. Exeter have had to overcome some problems but their academy seems to fund them very well. But they will have to keep producing players to sell. And they are still only in League 2 which may be a glass ceiling for them. But it shows that there’s no major reason why the model can’t work to a level. And AFCW have achieved so much that we aspire to, new ground without big, wealthy owners. And I suspect the governance of such clubs and the decision making is far more accountable and understandable.
I’m not sure the Bury example is proving such a unifying experience!
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