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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:00:50 GMT
I do not agree with us going bankrupt (god forbid it I have been battling it for months), however is gastafarian that wrong? As a club we have lots of people that love the club, in fact no matter what crap is thrown at them they still love it. A new BoD could be made up (dare I even say it with people who do not see eye to eye, but love the club). A new agenda for change 2014, where the club is brought but all debts to the current owners are paid once we move into the UWE (yes it will be to big for us to start with) but then run as a community club where a share scheme is just that, one where the fans trust the BoD because we all know they are like us! as in love the club. A club that asks for specialist help from it's fans, a club that wants its fans to have a voice, a club that wants the best website, youth program, program the list is endless. Is there such a utopia? Money is one thing but imagine a board with (god I may lose some friends now) Mike, Colin, Kevin, Brian, JTS, Rick etc on it. Imagine a club where you walk into the ground and on the walls are quotes supplied by Mike Jay, tales by Mr Brown. Sorry feeling on one tonight. Damn if Wimbledon can do it, we can do it BETTER!
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Post by bemmygas on Aug 18, 2014 8:16:00 GMT
What with 100 peoplele at the welly don't make me laugh.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 18, 2014 8:17:16 GMT
That is really frightening Oxengas. In fact more frightening than the present mob. AFC Wimbledon was founded by necessity but we are not at that stage yet and hopefully never will be.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 18, 2014 8:24:13 GMT
We have a Conference team, getting beat by bricklayers, haemorraging money, run by scum. I feel for Hereford, of course, but we could end up going their way anyway. They may have run the club poorly and made decisions that have made things worse but they aren't scum. Like it or lump it without them we would be in administration or bust by now. They aren't putting spare change into the club, it's their fortune and life's work and savings. I don't see you dipping your hand into your life savings to help out. We are all still sore from last year. If after 10 games we are still in the same predicament then we need to get someone in with a lot of experience who can sort it all out. Gary Johnson anyone?
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Aug 18, 2014 9:38:17 GMT
I think people should just stop going to games, let the club go into administration and form a pheonix club owned by the fans. Surely the fans ARE bristol rovers, so why not have ourselves running the club? People will say it cant be done, its not easy, blah blah, but if afc wimbledon did it, why cant we? With the right advice, expertise etc. There cant be anything special about them that the gas fan base doesnt have. Id put my own money into a club that actually gives a damn about its fans, and ok i dont have lots of money but im sure if we all chipped it we'd be able to get something going. It could be run totally democratically so we all can actually influence and decide how to club is run. Why not i say? Is brfc it's fantatstic group of fans, or is it just the toy of a few millionaire businessmen who wouldnt pi** on us plebs if we were on fire. Why should we pay to watch our club humiliated when we could be the club? It couldn't be done whilst the current club's corpse continues to twitch, but the board will more than likely put the club into administration within the next 5 years anyway.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Aug 18, 2014 11:48:04 GMT
When it comes down to it, people act differently with their own money.
No way would I sink any money to football.
You need big bucks in football now. Plus anything run for "the people" democratically ends up lacking vision and crippled with disagreements.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Aug 18, 2014 12:13:21 GMT
When it comes down to it, people act differently with their own money. No way would I sink any money to football. You need big bucks in football now. Plus anything run for "the people" democratically ends up lacking vision and crippled with disagreements. Precisely. So even more kudos should go to the ones that do it. Whether we agree to their decisions and way of running things or not. Very easy for armchair enthusiasts, fans and keyboard warriors to sit there and abuse them when they have neither the funds not the nous to make that kind of fortune let alone then sink it into a cesspit of a tier 5 football outfit.
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Post by timothyq on Aug 18, 2014 12:13:35 GMT
Perhaps the only positive to this plan is that we wouldn't have to get that many promotions before we got back to the conference! But even FC United are still shy of Conference North 9 years after their formation so there's no guarantee that a 'Phoenix club' would surge through the leagues past established teams who have been plugging away for years. We'd lose a brand, over 100 years of history and community roots and possibly a stadium (if we don't end up accepting some sort of ground share).
It sounds like biting off your nose to spite your face to me, if the club happened to go bust then I'd support a start up club, but I certainly wouldn't help the club on its way believing plan B to be a better alternative.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 18, 2014 12:27:22 GMT
We have a Conference team, getting beat by bricklayers, haemorraging money, run by scum. I feel for Hereford, of course, but we could end up going their way anyway. Like it or lump it without them we would be in administration or bust by now. We'd just be run by someone else.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 12:48:26 GMT
Perhaps the only positive to this plan is that we wouldn't have to get that many promotions before we got back to the conference! But even FC United are still shy of Conference North 9 years after their formation so there's no guarantee that a 'Phoenix club' would surge through the leagues past established teams who have been plugging away for years. We'd lose a brand, over 100 years of history and community roots and possibly a stadium (if we don't end up accepting some sort of ground share). It sounds like biting off your nose to spite your face to me, if the club happened to go bust then I'd support a start up club, but I certainly wouldn't help the club on its way believing plan B to be a better alternative. I'd almost say it'd be worth it to have a club run by people who give a s**t but that's just being idealistic. I don't think we've got to an impasse where a phoenix club is necessary yet either. Still can seem tempting at times though.
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Post by exlandlordhufc on Aug 18, 2014 13:03:12 GMT
Don't even think about it. We (Hereford) have had a body of people agitating for a Trust run Club for over twelve months during which time we've gone backwards almost to the point of disappearing altogether. Steer well clear of a tw@t called Kevin Rye from Supporters Direct.
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Post by bstokegas on Aug 18, 2014 20:29:47 GMT
Pathetic. The season is 3 games old. We have 8 or 9 new players. Yes the performances have been poor but hardly warrants starting up an AFC Bristol Rovers. Many clubs have been in our position , a lot of them are still in the Conference but have they folded ..... No. Get a bit of back bone and support the team. Faithful and true..some of you don't understand the meaning of the words. EXACTLY. I cannot believe some of the nonsense on this forum. 3 games in to a season that was always going to be difficult, theres a reason teams take so long/haven't got back into the league. Theres still 43 games left; 3870 minutes of regular football left. Everyone needs to calm down a bit.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 18, 2014 20:46:16 GMT
Pathetic. The season is 3 games old. We have 8 or 9 new players. Yes the performances have been poor but hardly warrants starting up an AFC Bristol Rovers. Many clubs have been in our position , a lot of them are still in the Conference but have they folded ..... No. Get a bit of back bone and support the team. Faithful and true..some of you don't understand the meaning of the words. EXACTLY. I cannot believe some of the nonsense on this forum. 3 games in to a season that was always going to be difficult, theres a reason teams take so long/haven't got back into the league. Theres still 43 games left; 3870 minutes of regular football left. Everyone needs to calm down a bit. True enough - were it not for the fact that for the last few seasons we have been under achieving big style and this start is seen as a continuation of that ongoing slide into oblivion. Given that there understandably is little appetite to cut too much slack. Rightly or wrongly. It is just a point of view based on recent had knocks.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 18, 2014 21:28:19 GMT
Pathetic. The season is 3 games old. We have 8 or 9 new players. Yes the performances have been poor but hardly warrants starting up an AFC Bristol Rovers. Many clubs have been in our position , a lot of them are still in the Conference but have they folded ..... No. Get a bit of back bone and support the team. Faithful and true..some of you don't understand the meaning of the words. EXACTLY. I cannot believe some of the nonsense on this forum. 3 games in to a season that was always going to be difficult, theres a reason teams take so long/haven't got back into the league. Theres still 43 games left; 3870 minutes of regular football left. Everyone needs to calm down a bit. I remember the same things being said 12 months ago. Quite how complete and total ineptitude on the biggest scale possible is no cause for alarm, I'm not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 21:49:01 GMT
I'm gutted at the start. But, 3 games in and the OP wishes we would go bust.
Oh, dear.
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 18, 2014 21:59:40 GMT
I'm gutted at the start. But, 3 games in and the OP wishes we would go bust. Oh, dear. I agree with you, it's unbelievable really isn't it ?!
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Post by phillistine on Aug 18, 2014 22:03:55 GMT
Perhaps the only positive to this plan is that we wouldn't have to get that many promotions before we got back to the conference! But even FC United are still shy of Conference North 9 years after their formation so there's no guarantee that a 'Phoenix club' would surge through the leagues past established teams who have been plugging away for years. We'd lose a brand, over 100 years of history and community roots and possibly a stadium (if we don't end up accepting some sort of ground share). It sounds like biting off your nose to spite your face to me, if the club happened to go bust then I'd support a start up club, but I certainly wouldn't help the club on its way believing plan B to be a better alternative. I'd almost say it'd be worth it to have a club run by people who give a s*** but that's just being idealistic. I don't think we've got to an impasse where a phoenix club is necessary yet either. Still can seem tempting at times though. this kind of comment really confuses me. How can you say that it is run by people who dont give a s*** when everyone accepts that they make no money from it, they continue to pile money in and personally guarantee the debts and in return they get constant abuse from the fans. Why do you think they remain Directors if they dont give a s*** about the club? I accept that they have run the club badly over the last few years and whilst many accusations can be thrown at them, you cant say it is because they dont caregbute
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2014 22:19:49 GMT
I sense they are only still on board now to try and see the UWE built and get a return on their investment, if not, they'd surely just put the club up for sale to the highest bidder?
NH has destroyed the club I've supported all my life by taking a mid table Div 1 club and turning into an average, at best, Conference side.
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Post by LPGas on Aug 19, 2014 8:00:19 GMT
If we went bust we would be demoted to the Southern league. The naivety of some of the posters on here is beyond belief. I suppose that is modern education for you.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2014 9:38:50 GMT
I'd almost say it'd be worth it to have a club run by people who give a s*** but that's just being idealistic. I don't think we've got to an impasse where a phoenix club is necessary yet either. Still can seem tempting at times though. this kind of comment really confuses me. How can you say that it is run by people who dont give a s*** when everyone accepts that they make no money from it, they continue to pile money in and personally guarantee the debts and in return they get constant abuse from the fans. Why do you think they remain Directors if they dont give a s*** about the club? I accept that they have run the club badly over the last few years and whilst many accusations can be thrown at them, you cant say it is because they dont caregbute I wouldn't say they get nothing from it. Owning a football club is a status symbol in the same way as a Yacht is. They get to move in the football world and wine and dine their mates in Box1. I don't doubt that they care but to suggest that their motives are purely altruistic, like some sort of modern day saints, is beyond silly.
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