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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 15, 2021 15:17:26 GMT
The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. Whilst we're making comparisons with Stevenage, does anybody know if the Council still own the ground where they play? I know that they were looking to the Council to help finance a new stand a few years ago. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 15, 2021 15:19:16 GMT
The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. I think his post was meant to educate you as to how you should be thinking, rather than meaning to ask you a question - which you have kindly answered anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:19:18 GMT
I don’t know about maximising an opportunity but having a gym on site, with modern equipment that the players are happy with is a big upgrade on what we previously had. Is it? This is where it starts to get difficult. Once money is spent, it's spent, so if you are walking around and can afford a Bentley but buy a Ford and can now no longer afford that Bentley, with all the refinement and advantages it has over the Ford, you tell me, did you make the right choice? The other thing that strikes me about this is that we appear to be setting Stevenage as the benchmark, Stevenage for goodness sake, they are probably still scratching their heads wondering how and why they are in the League at all, and Bristol Rovers supporters are having a debate about whether our training facilities are as good as theirs. Remind us who is setting Stevenage as the benchmark? |
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 15, 2021 15:19:45 GMT
Is it? This is where it starts to get difficult. Once money is spent, it's spent, so if you are walking around and can afford a Bentley but buy a Ford and can now no longer afford that Bentley, with all the refinement and advantages it has over the Ford, you tell me, did you make the right choice? The other thing that strikes me about this is that we appear to be setting Stevenage as the benchmark, Stevenage for goodness sake, they are probably still scratching their heads wondering how and why they are in the League at all, and Bristol Rovers supporters are having a debate about whether our training facilities are as good as theirs. Remind us who is setting Stevenage as the benchmark?  you little tinker! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:20:00 GMT
The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. Whilst we're making comparisons with Stevenage, does anybody know if the Council still own the ground where they play? I know that they were looking to the Council to help finance a new stand a few years ago. Didn't the narrator on that video say that the club own the training facility? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 15, 2021 15:20:40 GMT
1. Fair point. If Rubbish is "0" Brilliant is "10" - I think we are currently at about 3. Would have been nearer 5 prior to the Barton appointment. 2. 5 1/2 years without any indication that a new stadium is in the offing is a very long time for the jury to be out. I have no confidence that the situation will be resolved in the next 18 months given the lack of competence in the senior management team. I do think there is something going on with the Fruit Market but that we are only part, hence the complexity/time. No inside info, just my belief. I think BRFC/Dwayne need to to set themselves a deadline though and if external options (be it FM or elsewhere) are exhausted with no realistic liklihood of happening they must look to develop the Mem somehow. Problem we have is that there has been no significant improvements to the Mem for 25 years because we were supposedly moving/developing it/knocking it down or whatever, so its been deemed not cost effective to do so at the time (which in isolation is correct, if the plans actually happen) But because they haven't there has been 25 years of stagnation/decay and therefore we get further and further behind the curve when it comes to facilities. The Mem is barely fit for purpose, hence clock is ticking. For same reasons the club has always used this as an excuse/reason for not developing the clubs infrastructure, including training ground. So nothing happens. But as a result when we do have some success on the pitch such as in 2007 or 2016 its unsustainable, and we drop back again soon after, and the same cycle continues. WAQ ownership is the first one who has tried to break that cycle, however small the steps are with the Training Ground and the 21st century commercial approach. It ticketmater is the answer then i dare not think what the question was. I got a reply about my Crawley tickets , yesterday. Incredibly poor. If this is evolution then we are shot |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:22:49 GMT
Is it? This is where it starts to get difficult. Once money is spent, it's spent, so if you are walking around and can afford a Bentley but buy a Ford and can now no longer afford that Bentley, with all the refinement and advantages it has over the Ford, you tell me, did you make the right choice? The other thing that strikes me about this is that we appear to be setting Stevenage as the benchmark, Stevenage for goodness sake, they are probably still scratching their heads wondering how and why they are in the League at all, and Bristol Rovers supporters are having a debate about whether our training facilities are as good as theirs. Remind us who is setting Stevenage as the benchmark? Everybody who is making a comparison between the two facilities on this thread. Maybe read what's been posted before flying off the handle with your personal agenda, again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:25:08 GMT
I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. I think his post was meant to educate you as to how you should be thinking, rather than meaning to ask you a question - which you have kindly answered anyway Do you not think that the objective should be to maximise the potential of opportunities? |
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Post by axegas on Sept 15, 2021 15:26:30 GMT
I don’t know about maximising an opportunity but having a gym on site, with modern equipment that the players are happy with is a big upgrade on what we previously had. Is it? This is where it starts to get difficult. Once money is spent, it's spent, so if you are walking around and can afford a Bentley but buy a Ford and can now no longer afford that Bentley, with all the refinement and advantages it has over the Ford, you tell me, did you make the right choice? The other thing that strikes me about this is that we appear to be setting Stevenage as the benchmark, Stevenage for goodness sake, they are probably still scratching their heads wondering how and why they are in the League at all, and Bristol Rovers supporters are having a debate about whether our training facilities are as good as theirs. Paying for our players to use a gym facility a good car journey away is surely a less ideal situation to having a gym on site which is ours and which the players are happy with? To use your metaphor, we could never afford a Bentley, only a Ford. Maybe you could argue that a Nissan would be better instead, but I can’t see a clear upgrade to what we have in our price range. Stevenage have also invested their money into a Ford, good for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:27:02 GMT
Remind us who is setting Stevenage as the benchmark? Everybody who is making a comparison between the two facilities on this thread. Maybe read what's been posted before flying off the handle with your personal agenda, again. 'Everybody' eh? I think not - but there you go. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:57:30 GMT
Everybody who is making a comparison between the two facilities on this thread. Maybe read what's been posted before flying off the handle with your personal agenda, again. 'Everybody' eh? I think not - but there you go. Again, you've let your bias cloud your ability to stop and think for a second. I didn't claim that 'everybody' is engaging in any one act. What I said was that everybody who is making a comparison between the 2 developments appears to be setting what Stevenage have as a benchmark to aspire towards. |
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 15, 2021 16:04:14 GMT
The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. Whilst we're making comparisons with Stevenage, does anybody know if the Council still own the ground where they play? I know that they were looking to the Council to help finance a new stand a few years ago. The council still own the ground, the club own’s both training facilities, over the last few years the stadium has had significant upgrades to pitch and stands paid from cash raised from supporters. Lamex Food provide healthy sponsorship allowing the club to make healthy strides. |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 15, 2021 16:07:12 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made?The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. Who knows why Swiss posted it, whatever the reasons I rather doubt they will be positive. Basel had said he thought Wael's ambitions were limited to Rovers being a League 1/ League 2 club and he had no intention of building a new stadium. Droitwich Gas replied and said he thought Wael spending £20 million on Rovers and starting to build a training ground showed he had the ambition for Rovers to be a Championship club. I disagree with both of them and think Wael wants to make Rovers as successful as he can but has little idea of how to do it. And spending £30 million doesn't show ambition it just shows how costly his mistakes have been. The training ground was only started because no plans had been made for when the Cribbs lease ended and after Wael inherited a lot of money he was desperate to spend it and plunged into this project with very little forethought. I posted a video of the Stevenage training ground to illustrate a number of points. Firstly that engaging MJ Abbott to build pitches is not as special as many Gasheads seem to think it is because many clubs, even in the lower leagues, have used them. Secondly, looking at the video and seeing the way the place is set up you get the feel of an owner managing his business and putting a personal stamp on it. Thirdly, if you do the research you will see that Stevenage invested in this facility on the back of an upward wave where they had graduated from non-league to League 1 in a short space of time and they must have looked at alternatives and felt this would be a good move to sustain their momentum. Unfortunately, after one season at the training ground they were relegated to League 2 and have stayed there ever since which may ring a few bells. It is difficult to understand why you don't see my putting forward alternative strategies and ideas for bringing about business and football success as a positive. Being negative is accepting failure, constantly seeking false positives and waiting around hoping one day something better will turn up. |
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 15, 2021 16:14:53 GMT
I think that to date, plus work still in progress, we probably have, within the current global situation and financial position of the club. Just my personal opinion, others will differ, and some will think that they could have done a better job. Whilst we're making comparisons with Stevenage, does anybody know if the Council still own the ground where they play? I know that they were looking to the Council to help finance a new stand a few years ago. Didn't the narrator on that video say that the club own the training facility? Yes, I heard the narrator say that. My question related to the ground where they play their competitive matches, the Lamex Stadium, which was owned by the Council in the past - I was querying as to whether it still is. Which Taiwan Gas has answered. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 16:32:54 GMT
Didn't the narrator on that video say that the club own the training facility? Yes, I heard the narrator say that. My question related to the ground where they play their competitive matches, the Lamex Stadium, which was owned by the Council in the past - I was querying as to whether it still is. Which Taiwan Gas has answered. Sorry, I misunderstood. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 16:37:31 GMT
Who knows why Swiss posted it, whatever the reasons I rather doubt they will be positive. Basel had said he thought Wael's ambitions were limited to Rovers being a League 1/ League 2 club and he had no intention of building a new stadium. Droitwich Gas replied and said he thought Wael spending £20 million on Rovers and starting to build a training ground showed he had the ambition for Rovers to be a Championship club. I disagree with both of them and think Wael wants to make Rovers as successful as he can but has little idea of how to do it. And spending £30 million doesn't show ambition it just shows how costly his mistakes have been. The training ground was only started because no plans had been made for when the Cribbs lease ended and after Wael inherited a lot of money he was desperate to spend it and plunged into this project with very little forethought. I posted a video of the Stevenage training ground to illustrate a number of points. Firstly that engaging MJ Abbott to build pitches is not as special as many Gasheads seem to think it is because many clubs, even in the lower leagues, have used them. Secondly, looking at the video and seeing the way the place is set up you get the feel of an owner managing his business and putting a personal stamp on it. Thirdly, if you do the research you will see that Stevenage invested in this facility on the back of an upward wave where they had graduated from non-league to League 1 in a short space of time and they must have looked at alternatives and felt this would be a good move to sustain their momentum. Unfortunately, after one season at the training ground they were relegated to League 2 and have stayed there ever since which may ring a few bells. It is difficult to understand why you don't see my putting forward alternative strategies and ideas for bringing about business and football success as a positive. Being negative is accepting failure, constantly seeking false positives and waiting around hoping one day something better will turn up. Swiss. How is that £30m arrived at please? |
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Post by eppinggas on Sept 15, 2021 16:45:42 GMT
1. Fair point. If Rubbish is "0" Brilliant is "10" - I think we are currently at about 3. Would have been nearer 5 prior to the Barton appointment. 2. 5 1/2 years without any indication that a new stadium is in the offing is a very long time for the jury to be out. I have no confidence that the situation will be resolved in the next 18 months given the lack of competence in the senior management team. I do think there is something going on with the Fruit Market but that we are only part, hence the complexity/time. No inside info, just my belief. I think BRFC/Dwayne need to to set themselves a deadline though and if external options (be it FM or elsewhere) are exhausted with no realistic liklihood of happening they must look to develop the Mem somehow. Problem we have is that there has been no significant improvements to the Mem for 25 years because we were supposedly moving/developing it/knocking it down or whatever, so its been deemed not cost effective to do so at the time (which in isolation is correct, if the plans actually happen) But because they haven't there has been 25 years of stagnation/decay and therefore we get further and further behind the curve when it comes to facilities. The Mem is barely fit for purpose, hence clock is ticking. For same reasons the club has always used this as an excuse/reason for not developing the clubs infrastructure, including training ground. So nothing happens. But as a result when we do have some success on the pitch such as in 2007 or 2016 its unsustainable, and we drop back again soon after, and the same cycle continues. WAQ ownership is the first one who has tried to break that cycle, however small the steps are with the Training Ground and the 21st century commercial approach. That's all fair comment. I guess we differ on the relative chances of the delivery of a new stadium. Regards, miserable cynic. |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 15, 2021 16:55:16 GMT
Do you really want to go there with Rovers languishing at 90th place in the League having spent close to £30 million ? But there are many reasons for that, and I don’t think the training ground is one of them. I do think so axegas and posted my concerns on here on the day last year that the players moved to the training ground. Disruption is an ugly word and every business tries to avoid it but Rovers chose to actively invite it by failing to make plans for when the Cribbs lease ended and then not making a longer term agreement to use the Coombe Dingle Sports Centre for the whole 20/21 season. Ben Garner made some strange comments at the time of the move about uprooting the players and after he had left, in one of his interviews, he said "something changed in October" which might have referred something else but I think he meant the training ground move and he didn't last long after that. When Paul Tisdale came he said we were "in a pickle" and now Pop Harris has confirmed that he was unhappy with the facilities he was forced to work with. At the start of his tenure Barton talked about Rovers "cutting corners" and recently he has compared our training facilities with other clubs and said it's not ideal to have players eating food out of plastic containers or having to go to Bisham Abbey for a week in June because the place was not ready. In my view the disruption caused to training and morale by the ill thought through move to Almondsbury last October was one of the reasons for the poor performances which led to Rovers being relegated. And the excuses about having no alternatives because of Covid guidelines were just that, excuses ! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 17:15:49 GMT
Basel had said he thought Wael's ambitions were limited to Rovers being a League 1/ League 2 club and he had no intention of building a new stadium. Droitwich Gas replied and said he thought Wael spending £20 million on Rovers and starting to build a training ground showed he had the ambition for Rovers to be a Championship club. I disagree with both of them and think Wael wants to make Rovers as successful as he can but has little idea of how to do it. And spending £30 million doesn't show ambition it just shows how costly his mistakes have been. The training ground was only started because no plans had been made for when the Cribbs lease ended and after Wael inherited a lot of money he was desperate to spend it and plunged into this project with very little forethought. I posted a video of the Stevenage training ground to illustrate a number of points. Firstly that engaging MJ Abbott to build pitches is not as special as many Gasheads seem to think it is because many clubs, even in the lower leagues, have used them. Secondly, looking at the video and seeing the way the place is set up you get the feel of an owner managing his business and putting a personal stamp on it. Thirdly, if you do the research you will see that Stevenage invested in this facility on the back of an upward wave where they had graduated from non-league to League 1 in a short space of time and they must have looked at alternatives and felt this would be a good move to sustain their momentum. Unfortunately, after one season at the training ground they were relegated to League 2 and have stayed there ever since which may ring a few bells. It is difficult to understand why you don't see my putting forward alternative strategies and ideas for bringing about business and football success as a positive. Being negative is accepting failure, constantly seeking false positives and waiting around hoping one day something better will turn up. Swiss. How is that £30m arrived at please? Stand by, this should be fun..
Whilist at it perhaps we can obtain a similar breakdown of Lansdowns mistakes (losses) and lack of ambition that led to the new Ashton Gate
Or even go a stage further and get a breakdown of Abramovich's £billions of mistakes and lack of ambition that led to them being European champions
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 15, 2021 17:17:11 GMT
Yes, I heard the narrator say that. My question related to the ground where they play their competitive matches, the Lamex Stadium, which was owned by the Council in the past - I was querying as to whether it still is. Which Taiwan Gas has answered. Sorry, I misunderstood. That's usually my party piece! In hindsight, it would have been clearer if I'd written stadium instead of ground. Would be interesting to know what level of rent they pay |
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