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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 15, 2021 12:52:53 GMT
I thought you were of the view there was no need to develop a Training ground (like Stevenage) as its better to rent?
Pleased that you have changed your mind.
Interesting that when Stevenage purchased the site in 2011 they were firmly of the view that the club needed something like that in order to progress.
Everyone on the same page at last
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made? The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing?
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 15, 2021 13:19:38 GMT
What a wicked web that has been surrounded by this club.....and a note on Speed way. Always enjoyed an evening at the Bulldogs,even my best mate ,a red, would come along .....The Somerset Rebels ceased trading last season because of the covid situation, and seemingly not likely to re emerge, lot of development taking place on that site near Highbridge on the A38, just 5 minutes from the Edithmead junction Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:36:39 GMT
I thought you were of the view there was no need to develop a Training ground (like Stevenage) as its better to rent?
Pleased that you have changed your mind.
Interesting that when Stevenage purchased the site in 2011 they were firmly of the view that the club needed something like that in order to progress.
Everyone on the same page at last
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made?The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. Who knows why Swiss posted it, whatever the reasons I rather doubt they will be positive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:47:51 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made? The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? The previous manager wasn't impressed with the training facilities but I guess this helped hasten his exit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 13:48:28 GMT
What a wicked web that has been surrounded by this club.....and a note on Speed way. Always enjoyed an evening at the Bulldogs,even my best mate ,a red, would come along .....The Somerset Rebels ceased trading last season because of the covid situation, and seemingly not likely to re emerge, lot of development taking place on that site near Highbridge on the A38, just 5 minutes from the Edithmead junction Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman. Pete Robson's?
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 15, 2021 13:52:57 GMT
Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman. Pete Robson's? Fowlers - Grosvenor Road, St Pauls.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:00:36 GMT
Hambrook had to go to save the club. But where have I said Wael is 'doing a superb job'? Things don't need to be so binary KP, and its not a case of an ownership being either Brilliant or Rubbish.
WAQ has, in my view, made some great strides is some areas (Training Ground, Commercial, Professionalism of the club ) but made some poor decisions on playing matters that clearly have to improve, (and which obviously will need time) For me the jury is out re the stadium and the clock is ticking regarding a judgement on that. It needs to be resolved one way or the other in the next 18 months IMHO. And if anyone says its down to on the field performance only then they should be referred to the many posts on here 2 years ago moaning about quality of entertainment, lack of training ground etc etc when we were top 6 league one 1. Fair point. If Rubbish is "0" Brilliant is "10" - I think we are currently at about 3. Would have been nearer 5 prior to the Barton appointment. 2. 5 1/2 years without any indication that a new stadium is in the offing is a very long time for the jury to be out. I have no confidence that the situation will be resolved in the next 18 months given the lack of competence in the senior management team. I do think there is something going on with the Fruit Market but that we are only part, hence the complexity/time. No inside info, just my belief. I think BRFC/Dwayne need to to set themselves a deadline though and if external options (be it FM or elsewhere) are exhausted with no realistic liklihood of happening they must look to develop the Mem somehow. Problem we have is that there has been no significant improvements to the Mem for 25 years because we were supposedly moving/developing it/knocking it down or whatever, so its been deemed not cost effective to do so at the time (which in isolation is correct, if the plans actually happen) But because they haven't there has been 25 years of stagnation/decay and therefore we get further and further behind the curve when it comes to facilities. The Mem is barely fit for purpose, hence clock is ticking. For same reasons the club has always used this as an excuse/reason for not developing the clubs infrastructure, including training ground. So nothing happens. But as a result when we do have some success on the pitch such as in 2007 or 2016 its unsustainable, and we drop back again soon after, and the same cycle continues. WAQ ownership is the first one who has tried to break that cycle, however small the steps are with the Training Ground and the 21st century commercial approach.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:05:51 GMT
Fowlers - Grosvenor Road, St Pauls. Ah, they were also at Pete Robson's at Filton Park (now Taylors estate agents) most Saturday mornings after the Friday night meeting. Pete Robson also started off in St Pauls.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 15, 2021 14:09:59 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made? The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? That is reassuring to know Bath Gas. It would be good to have an update on work that has been carried out, the last photo/update/info that I can find, the loo’s were not completed and a single portaloo was propped up against the side of the building.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 15, 2021 14:13:28 GMT
Fowlers - Grosvenor Road, St Pauls. Ah, they were also at Pete Robson's at Filton Park (now Taylors estate agents) most Saturday mornings after the Friday night meeting. Pete Robson also started off in St Pauls. Indeed, knew Pete, always kept on his good side!.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 15, 2021 14:15:12 GMT
Problem we have is that there has been no significant improvements to the Mem for 25 years because we were supposedly moving/developing it/knocking it down or whatever, so its been deemed not cost effective to do so at the time (which in isolation is correct, if the plans actually happen) But because they haven't there has been 25 years of stagnation/decay and therefore we get further and further behind the curve when it comes to facilities. The Mem is barely fit for purpose, hence clock is ticking. For same reasons the club has always used this as an excuse/reason for not developing the clubs infrastructure, including training ground. So nothing happens. But as a result when we do have some success on the pitch such as in 2007 or 2016 its unsustainable, and we drop back again soon after, and the same cycle continues. WAQ ownership is the first one who has tried to break that cycle, however small the steps are with the Training Ground and the 21st century commercial approach. I think Nick Higgs tried to break it with UWE, and his predecessors tried to with Rodney's Swinging Balls and pick-a-seat (which was not a Pokemon) but Wael is the one that has made tangible progress...
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Post by lostinspace on Sept 15, 2021 14:25:30 GMT
What a wicked web that has been surrounded by this club.....and a note on Speed way. Always enjoyed an evening at the Bulldogs,even my best mate ,a red, would come along .....The Somerset Rebels ceased trading last season because of the covid situation, and seemingly not likely to re emerge, lot of development taking place on that site near Highbridge on the A38, just 5 minutes from the Edithmead junction Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman. crutches or otherwise they always seemed to be ready to go at the next meet, always recall that some riders who may have done a "reserve ride" for a european team would have busted ribs heavily bandaged but there at the tapes
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:29:01 GMT
Ah, they were also at Pete Robson's at Filton Park (now Taylors estate agents) most Saturday mornings after the Friday night meeting. Pete Robson also started off in St Pauls. Indeed, knew Pete, always kept on his good side!. Pete was from a different time. I saw him 'educate' a Father and Son once. The lad had bought a piston and had broken the rings attempting to fit it, Dad thought it was Pete's fault for not giving his boy fitting instructions. 10 mins later they left with another new piston set, which they paid for. Had a wedding car business as well I seem to recall. One of his mechanics, Stan, kept the old workshop going for many years after the shop shut. Stan's still trading, fixing bikes and scooters, working in a unit not far from the stadium. I don't remember many of the spares staff from Grosvenor Rd apart from Maggie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:30:55 GMT
Sorry to interrupt, but I don't think that Swiss has actually endorsed ownership of a complex of this type, isn't it the case that comparisons between what Stevenage have created and The Quarters are just being made? The grounds look as if the designs are similar to me, but Stevenage have completed theirs, and have the gym in the main building, not in what looks to me to be a cheap structure of the type often used to store gardening machinery. The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:53:04 GMT
What a wicked web that has been surrounded by this club.....and a note on Speed way. Always enjoyed an evening at the Bulldogs,even my best mate ,a red, would come along .....The Somerset Rebels ceased trading last season because of the covid situation, and seemingly not likely to re emerge, lot of development taking place on that site near Highbridge on the A38, just 5 minutes from the Edithmead junction Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman. Tormod Langli & Steve Gresham, the wild pair! I think the stadium company may have owned one of the properties at the bottom of Muller Road near the entrance to the stadium. I remember seeing Vaclav Verner and Scott Autrey working on their bikes one afternoon on the way home from school, and getting their autographs. They were often there there on a Monday afternoon before driving down to Exeter who they raced for on Monday nights. Exeter had the same promotors as the Bulldogs I recall, hence the link with the property I assume. Happy memories.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 14:56:47 GMT
Problem we have is that there has been no significant improvements to the Mem for 25 years because we were supposedly moving/developing it/knocking it down or whatever, so its been deemed not cost effective to do so at the time (which in isolation is correct, if the plans actually happen) But because they haven't there has been 25 years of stagnation/decay and therefore we get further and further behind the curve when it comes to facilities. The Mem is barely fit for purpose, hence clock is ticking. For same reasons the club has always used this as an excuse/reason for not developing the clubs infrastructure, including training ground. So nothing happens. But as a result when we do have some success on the pitch such as in 2007 or 2016 its unsustainable, and we drop back again soon after, and the same cycle continues. WAQ ownership is the first one who has tried to break that cycle, however small the steps are with the Training Ground and the 21st century commercial approach. I think Nick Higgs tried to break it with UWE, and his predecessors tried to with Rodney's Swinging Balls and pick-a-seat (which was not a Pokemon)
but Wael is the one that has made tangible progress...Yep thats fair comment
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Post by axegas on Sept 15, 2021 15:00:45 GMT
The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I don’t know about maximising an opportunity but having a gym on site, with modern equipment that the players are happy with is a big upgrade on what we previously had.
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Post by Bath Gas on Sept 15, 2021 15:10:50 GMT
The players are very pleased with the gym, and the quality of the equipment which has been purchased - surely that's the most important thing? The previous manager wasn't impressed with the training facilities but I guess this helped hasten his exit. The fitness guy from Burnley got involved with sorting the gym equipment, apparently it is now top notch.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 15:15:14 GMT
The actual question is always, have we maximised the opportunity? I don’t know about maximising an opportunity but having a gym on site, with modern equipment that the players are happy with is a big upgrade on what we previously had. Is it? This is where it starts to get difficult. Once money is spent, it's spent, so if you are walking around and can afford a Bentley but buy a Ford and can now no longer afford that Bentley, with all the refinement and advantages it has over the Ford, you tell me, did you make the right choice? The other thing that strikes me about this is that we appear to be setting Stevenage as the benchmark, Stevenage for goodness sake, they are probably still scratching their heads wondering how and why they are in the League at all, and Bristol Rovers supporters are having a debate about whether our training facilities are as good as theirs.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 15, 2021 15:17:06 GMT
What a wicked web that has been surrounded by this club.....and a note on Speed way. Always enjoyed an evening at the Bulldogs,even my best mate ,a red, would come along .....The Somerset Rebels ceased trading last season because of the covid situation, and seemingly not likely to re emerge, lot of development taking place on that site near Highbridge on the A38, just 5 minutes from the Edithmead junction Tormod, a Scandanavian Bulldog rider visited the shop I worked in regularly for spare parts, as did Phil Crump and others, you think we have injury problems!, the shop was like an out patient department on a Saturday with wooden crutches lined up against the parts counter. They were a mischievous bunch, but Ambassador Crump was always a smiling gentleman. i never missed one meet when we had the Bristol bulldogs at Easstville, coming home with sand in my hair and watching Phil Crump was fantastic entertainment
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