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Post by emperorsuperbus on Sept 4, 2021 13:42:48 GMT
If that is what was said to Wael it is not just explicitly racist, and not just anti social and insulting, it’s threatening too.
Let’s get to the nub of the problem here, all this woke s***f is actively encouraging people to speak out and stand up for fairness, instead of taking it like they have been doing for generations, they are now calling it out as unfair and asking for laws to support them in this.
But hang on here, No - it’s not as simple and easy as that, our nature is to round on the odd ones out like a pack of dogs, and our culture is look after our own with any grace and favour is it not, so it’s actually the people calling this out as unfair and asking can you not behave better who are causing this volatile and uncomfortable zeitgeist for All the rest of us isn’t it? I, Superbus have lived centuries on this earth, previously for sure they have just been taking unfairness and abuse without causing a fuss.
I actually blame globalisation, if everyone just stayed in the village they were born in there would be hardly any of this, only really when foreign football teams visit, that’s fact innit?
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Post by alloutofgas on Sept 4, 2021 17:16:14 GMT
WaQ has been an utter disaster. He is from Jordan. The Dunfords were from Longwell Green/Saltford and were milkmen. I know who made a better job of running the club. Am I racist?
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Post by knowall on Sept 4, 2021 17:42:33 GMT
I am sure that where you are from has little to do with success but what you do and how you do it is the key to success.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 4, 2021 17:54:19 GMT
I am sure that where you are from has little to do with success but what you do and how you do it is the key to success. So spit it out - what is it that you don't like?
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 4, 2021 18:12:16 GMT
WaQ has been an utter disaster. He is from Jordan. The Dunfords were from Longwell Green/Saltford and were milkmen. I know who made a better job of running the club. Am I racist? That's slightly different than tweeting him directly and calling him a #### ### ####, so what's your point?
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 4, 2021 19:03:04 GMT
I am sure that where you are from has little to do with success but what you do and how you do it is the key to success. So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? or maybe I'm being unrealistic - it's another hit and run by someone who likes to undermine but not take up the reins themself?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Sept 4, 2021 21:24:33 GMT
So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? or maybe I'm being unrealistic - it's another hit and run by someone who likes to undermine but not take up the reins themself? Can’t afford to take the reins himself.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 4, 2021 21:59:39 GMT
or maybe I'm being unrealistic - it's another hit and run by someone who likes to undermine but not take up the reins themself? Can’t afford to take the reins himself.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2021 3:13:05 GMT
If that is what was said to Wael it is not just explicitly racist, and not just anti social and insulting, it’s threatening too. Let’s get to the nub of the problem here, all this woke s***f is actively encouraging people to speak out and stand up for fairness, instead of taking it like they have been doing for generations, they are now calling it out as unfair and asking for laws to support them in this. But hang on here, No - it’s not as simple and easy as that, our nature is to round on the odd ones out like a pack of dogs, and our culture is look after our own with any grace and favour is it not, so it’s actually the people calling this out as unfair and asking can you not behave better who are causing this volatile and uncomfortable zeitgeist for All the rest of us isn’t it? I, Superbus have lived centuries on this earth, previously for sure they have just been taking unfairness and abuse without causing a fuss. I actually blame globalisation, if everyone just stayed in the village they were born in there would be hardly any of this, only really when foreign football teams visit, that’s fact innit? Threatening? Give it a rest. The antisocial platforms have given a voice to a majority of people who would never utter such things in reality. I know a bit about this after being the victim of an attempted and total character assassination but I rode it out and didn’t react and the truth is now out there. [ br]Yes, it’s not nice and no balanced and mature and well adjusted person would post it but threatening it is not. It’s just a spineless individual who put his stupid opinion on a platform known for causing problems. I have never used this next word before but snowflakes is about right in the reaction to it. I apologise if this offends anyone as I agree that it shouldn’t happen but I will repeat, if the authorities don’t act then it will go on ad nauseam. I think the Police would be reluctant to pursue it as no one was threatened & they would need a lot more police , were they to act on this kind of rank stupidity
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 5, 2021 3:21:47 GMT
I am sure that where you are from has little to do with success but what you do and how you do it is the key to success. So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? I will reply to that. It seems the vast majority will never have a bad word said of him but, ultimately, it’s Wael who had his vision and it’s him who is at fault for surrendering our L1 status and for the state of the club. Let’s face it, he’s been very open in telling us he is the owner but I don’t understand how most are still, near enough, grovelling in support of him. Lucky to have a club ? Say that after end of season as the debts are rising again and I’m fairly sure Wael will not capitalise them again. Is that racist or is it just a long term Rovers supporter saying it as it is ? We are a mess and it’s reinforced in me that a fan doesn’t make you good at making decisions. As an aside, what was the crowd as only the North stand was close to full but with spaces and the usually very popular West, had a lot of space and traffic was very quiet in getting to and from the game
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Sept 5, 2021 7:47:12 GMT
WaQ has been an utter disaster. He is from Jordan. The Dunfords were from Longwell Green/Saltford and were milkmen. I know who made a better job of running the club. Am I racist? This is just my opinion so bear with. What the hell has the place of someone’s birth have to do with their ability to run a football club? Unless you actually like Rovers being run as Royston Vasey FC, a local club for local people. And zero ambition. Yes, Dennis D was an absolute saint. But trust me his son wasn’t. He could be petty, petulant, frosty, like Wael surrounded himself with acolytes and yes men. He turned down an offer from Bath Uni for the club to train there at half the price the Beeches charged. Who owned the Beeches? He turned down Steve Lansdown a couple of decades ago. The events of 2006 showed that his own ego was more important than the long term success of Rovers that could be achieved. Under the Dunfords Rovers where run as if it was a local corner shop, with no ambition, professionalism or planning. Things like the club shop were an embarrassment. Scapegoats were found to cover up their inadequacy. The phrase ‘luck and chemistry’ when we were relegated from the third tier for the first time ever, and the Div 3 champions 2002 banner, it took another 6 years and the play offs to get back to the minimum place we should be imho, are things that still bug me. Higgs followed that legacy, stuck in a mindset of zero ambition and inadequate management, as long as it was ‘local’ Wael isn’t perfect, far from it, but there are things in place now that are far better than anything we have had at the club. Apart from the playing side the club is more professional at every level, there is a training ground to be proud of. And this is a bad thing? We still need a ground, my preference remains for a re-developed Mem, for any regime to be deemed a success. Yes the Dunfords saved us from disaster, but that mindset dated very quickly and is probably the root cause of our non progress, indeed decline, for 2 decades.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 5, 2021 8:17:55 GMT
or maybe I'm being unrealistic - it's another hit and run by someone who likes to undermine but not take up the reins themself? Can’t afford to take the reins himself. I think I realise now that knowall's 'there's no money' posts referred to his belief (or his desire to spread a belief) that Wael doesn't have the money to fund a new stadium knowall thought his Frooty mates did (and brought with them the prospect of knowall, the Plebs' Club, the SC leadership etc could return to their previous self-important roles at the club)
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Post by chelt_gas on Sept 5, 2021 11:56:28 GMT
It’s all sticks and stones. Words are like paper swords, it’s the prejudice, intent and unfairness in life that’s more of an issue. Often words are the emissions of a deeper powerful prejudice and that’s where action needs to be proportionate. Oh I see. So in fact you are saying I didn’t actually say anything wrong. Which begs the question why you answered my original post. what are your views on the term Fake Sheik -is it merely a gentle p1ss take (how I view it) or is it racist. Do you know what was written on Twitter? Sorry TG, catching up. Your original post just labelled everyone on gaschat as Left wing anarchists. Is it fair to use left wing (which is broad) as an insult? I guess it depends on the dogma and objective. I don't see much racism down here...in fact many terms that would be deemed racist in the UK have been kind of adopted into mainstream affection. Some are even used as a term of endearment. I just think racism is illogical and stupid to the extant that it will become a form of social embarrassment to even commit a racial slur on paper. They will soon be put in the same box as the flat earther brigade. I don't follow all that Twitter stuff but trying to abuse someone with a lazy stereotype is stupid from the individual and a reflection from his/her wider culture.
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Post by towngas on Sept 5, 2021 13:31:38 GMT
Oh I see. So in fact you are saying I didn’t actually say anything wrong. Which begs the question why you answered my original post. what are your views on the term Fake Sheik -is it merely a gentle p1ss take (how I view it) or is it racist. Do you know what was written on Twitter? Sorry TG, catching up. Your original post just labelled everyone on gaschat as Left wing anarchists. Is it fair to use left wing (which is broad) as an insult? I guess it depends on the dogma and objective. I don't see much racism down here...in fact many terms that would be deemed racist in the UK have been kind of adopted into mainstream affection. Some are even used as a term of endearment. I just think racism is illogical and stupid to the extant that it will become a form of social embarrassment to even commit a racial slur on paper. They will soon be put in the same box as the flat earther brigade. I don't follow all that Twitter stuff but trying to abuse someone with a lazy stereotype is stupid from the individual and a reflection from his/her wider culture. Hi CG. Good to hear from you. I respectfully suggest you return to my original post. You’ve even subsequently highlighted the paragraph about GC forumers, “you will see there is a LW etc cabal of members........” The vast majority of GC contributors are exactly as us, eager to discuss the club, players, management, executive etc etc. They have a political section which is populated by the cabal to which I refer. I started to post on that section because I was dismayed and infuriated at their anti-British stance, not only with regard to Brexit, but in almost every other sphere of British life. They are unremittingly Left Wing, Communist in every aspect. There’s only a few of them, but they broker no argument and eventually banned me when I wouldn’t bend to their will. I agree with the rest of your message. this is a fair and democratic country, this a very open and welcoming city. I can’t remember the last time I witnessed anything remotely racist at The Mem. Unfortunately the incidence of racism I have witnessed away from there have been directed at white people by ethnic minorities. Sad, but true.
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Post by knowall on Sept 5, 2021 16:25:54 GMT
I am sure that where you are from has little to do with success but what you do and how you do it is the key to success. So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? Nothing to do with 'like' or 'dislike' - simple statement of fact, although I realise reading your posts you do not like facts.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 5, 2021 16:30:22 GMT
So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? Nothing to do with 'like' or 'dislike' - simple statement of fact, although I realise reading your posts you do not like facts. ah, I see. I must have missed the 'facts' there
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 5, 2021 18:33:52 GMT
So spit it out - what is it that you don't like? Nothing to do with 'like' or 'dislike' - simple statement of fact, although I realise reading your posts you do not like facts. Spending £20m+ on a L1 club seems a pretty positive move to me, how much did your mates Dunford and Higgs actually spend of their own money on the club? Perhaps Wael hasn't been perfect when he dealt with the SC or PC but how do you deal with supporters groups who report the owner has being "unfit" etc for no obvious reasons?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 18:39:29 GMT
Nothing to do with 'like' or 'dislike' - simple statement of fact, although I realise reading your posts you do not like facts. Spending £20m+ on a L1 club seems a pretty positive move to me, how much did your mates Dunford and Higgs actually spend of their own money on the club? Perhaps Wael hasn't been perfect when he dealt with the SC or PC but how do you deal with supporters groups who report the owner has being "unfit" etc for no obvious reasons? Higgs was totally useless but if the Dunfords had inherited £20m then I don't think we would be a bottom half League 2 club. Wael has my backing though (except for his choice of current manager) as he obviously has the funds to pay for the mistakes of those who have let him down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2021 18:40:29 GMT
Disappointed the message about racism being completely unacceptable wasn't broadcast yesterday and also disappointed that those players who choose to take the knee, weren't given the option to do so.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 5, 2021 18:40:35 GMT
Spending £20m+ on a L1 club seems a pretty positive move to me, how much did your mates Dunford and Higgs actually spend of their own money on the club? Perhaps Wael hasn't been perfect when he dealt with the SC or PC but how do you deal with supporters groups who report the owner has being "unfit" etc for no obvious reasons? Higgs was totally useless but if the Dunfords had inherited £20m then I don't think we would be a bottom half League 2 club. Wael has my backing though as he obviously has the funds to pay for the mistakes of those who have let him down. Wael is still learning the trade. Well I hope he's learning
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