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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:18:17 GMT
er we have only played 2 games! err were sh*t and be really honest with yourself, do you see us finishing in the top half - I will settle right now for 5th from bottom we have some good players,we need to get our squad up to 18 at least,im convinced we will be in the top half,like i said its 2 games thats all
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Post by Cosmic Pasty on Aug 14, 2014 0:37:10 GMT
er we have only played 2 games! err were sh*t and be really honest with yourself, do you see us finishing in the top half - I will settle right now for 5th from bottom Shhh! As far as I can remember, our current activities are supposed to be part of a plan to 'hit the ground running and vigorously pursue promotion back into the league'. Cunningly disguised as a plan to hit the ground limping and listlessly pursue another few seasons spent languishing in the pages of the Non League Paper while being cheered on to the tune of the toe-curling Vanarama jingle. I think the memory of the seventy minutes we 'only' gazed into the abyss of relegation last season is still sufficiently raw enough for many people to be able to imagine all too easily the damage that could be done after taking one point in six from 'only' two games, with key positions in the squad still unfilled. Since we were assured that Clarke would have his team assembled well before the pre-season was over, I don't think we can be blamed for having doubts that everything else will come to fruition as 'planned'. I really wish I shared your optimism though, 1973, and totally hope that circumstances give you the chance to come back and say 'See? I told you so!'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 0:51:51 GMT
err were sh*t and be really honest with yourself, do you see us finishing in the top half - I will settle right now for 5th from bottom Shhh! As far as I can remember, our current activities are supposed to be part of a plan to 'hit the ground running and vigorously pursue promotion back into the league'. Cunningly disguised as a plan to hit the ground limping and listlessly pursue another few seasons spent languishing in the pages of the Non League Paper while being cheered on to the tune of the toe-curling Vanarama jingle. I think the memory of the seventy minutes we 'only' gazed into the abyss of relegation last season is still sufficiently raw enough for many people to be able to imagine all too easily the damage that could be done after taking one point in six from 'only' two games, with key positions in the squad still unfilled. Since we were assured that Clarke would have his team assembled well before the pre-season was over, I don't think we can be blamed for having doubts that everything else will come to fruition as 'planned'. I really wish I shared your optimism though, 1973, and totally hope that circumstances give you the chance to come back and say 'See? I told you so!' i think the mass hysteria on this forum would be understandable if after 10 games we had only 4 points but its too early to judge players and manager just yet,im worried that we only have 16 pros i admit we need 2 more players who would expect to play and maybe 1 unknown hoping to breakthrough type player....i just think 2 games including a difficult game at barnet too soon to make judgements. i think barnet would have beaten many league teams the way they set out last night,i just think that
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Post by TaiwanGas on Aug 14, 2014 2:19:43 GMT
Not sure about it being mass hysteria, just a lot of very worried gasheads like me, the promised top to bottom review, one of the biggest non-events in our recent history was supposed to give us a platform, no, a springboard to the better running of the club and swift return to the league, but apart from a few being made redundant what have we seen or heard that can give us any confidence that this club of ours is now moving in the right direction?.
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Post by Tote End Charlie on Aug 14, 2014 10:27:00 GMT
Comparing Higgs to Lansdown is irrelevant, Lansdown will not transform our fortunes because he has backed Bristol City, Higgs could transform our fortunes , if you do not consider his personal wealth to be a huge fortune then please enlighten me to as to what is?
It's not that he can't, it's that he chooses not to.
Why exactly so you think NH should subsidise "your" football club out of his personal funds? Rovers is a business, either it succeeds or it fails, if the latter it goes bust. Why would he choose to support a failing business and end up skint himself? Are you willing to do that? 1.Because most chairman subsidise their football clubs out of there "personal funds" how you quantify personal is open to debate. 2.Thanks for the obvious, my point is for him to either invest in it to re-coup losses in the better times should they come our way, or sell the club. 3.We're not asking him to send himself skint,but we are asking him to support a business that is failing whilst he is at the helm. 4.Am I willing to support a failing business?- Yes if a good business plan is in place that offers hope of sustainability going forward, would I let it send me skint? No because I wouldn't be much use to it broke.
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 14, 2014 16:06:55 GMT
We have yet to see the other Clubs thus far Grimsby who were play off finalists and Barnet who finished eighth last season appear more than reasonable not much different to many of the league two clubs we played last season. Now its Altrincham and Telford two promoted Clubs who have lost both their opening games then the mighty Forest Green Rovers ...after those games we will see if we are relegation material, mid table side or a play off side.
The doom merchants saying we are going down and out of business are hopefully pre mature and will be proven wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 18:50:19 GMT
Why exactly so you think NH should subsidise "your" football club out of his personal funds? Rovers is a business, either it succeeds or it fails, if the latter it goes bust. Why would he choose to support a failing business and end up skint himself? Are you willing to do that? 1.Because most chairman subsidise their football clubs out of there "personal funds" how you quantify personal is open to debate. 2.Thanks for the obvious, my point is for him to either invest in it to re-coup losses in the better times should they come our way, or sell the club. 3.We're not asking him to send himself skint,but we are asking him to support a business that is failing whilst he is at the helm. 4.Am I willing to support a failing business?- Yes if a good business plan is in place that offers hope of sustainability going forward, would I let it send me skint? No because I wouldn't be much use to it broke.
So in short you wouldn't put any of your money in either. it appears obvious we don't even have a plan let alone a good business plan, all we have is the hope DC dredges some decent performances out of what seems a weak squad, both numerically and in class even at our current level. Presumably NH is hanging on to his cash to bridge the funding gap for the new stadium, and if you believe that you'll believe anything. I'm joining the cynics on this one, I think once they've got the money for the Mem they'll repay the directors loans and off load the club to anyone with the cash and inclination to buy it.
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Post by thecyclist on Aug 14, 2014 19:30:21 GMT
Luton needed a 30 point deduction to end up where we are,we did it all on our own, how did it come to this? It came to this because the people running the club do not know enough about the business that they are involved in and added to that they seem reluctant to either seek or heed advice. Totally agree, with blue and white-quartered bells on. The way I see it, it's not about personal fortunes, what people are worth and how much they're willing to sling at the problem, it's about attitudes - namely that of being confident in asking for advice or assistance where aptitude is lacking. There are plenty of clubs out there with very little in the way of resources who are doing a lot better than we are, and are clearly doing something that we're not. For all it's 'massive' fanbase and 'massive' reputation (built on glory days now past), if attitudes don't change then this club is never going to be any better than whatever money is available to paper over the latest crack. There's nothing big, massive or clever about refusing to seek help if evidence is mounting that you're not doing very well without it. Furthermore, an observation that you're less than stellar in one area doesn't mean you stand accused of being an all-round no-hoper with nothing else to offer. There's nothing detrimental in saying 'The board are out of their depth and need expert help. I support any efforts made in seeking and applying it'. That's the message I wish we could get across to them before it's too late, and it's short enough for their beloved Twitter not to choke on either. The evidence isn't mounting, it is there for all to see. Your post is spot on. There has been no demonstrable change in the way Bristol Rovers is run so why should we surprised at the start to the season. In fact it is surprising that some people are apparently shocked at the standard of play. I still cannot believe that no-one in an executive position has taken responsibility and actually admitted they are not upto the job.
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Post by EssoBlue on Aug 14, 2014 19:38:43 GMT
I agree it's mass hysteria - we've played 2 games for gods sake.
Luton took 5 years to get back up. People really need to look at all the reasons why. The 2 obvious ones we seen intent on repeating are:
No 1. They thought they were to good for the Conference and couldn't accept a slow start to the season. No 2. Boo boys giving players and manager a hard time.
I would much rather fans stay away than turn up and not give 100% support to the team.
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Post by Tote End Charlie on Aug 14, 2014 19:41:12 GMT
Would I put any money in?
Yes I would(under certain circumstances) but that's easy to say and when your talking in tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands, given where we are, the one golden egg that is left in the nest is the UWE.
BRFC value at the moment is pretty much nothing save for the offer on the table for the Memorial Ground, with BRFC it's all about potential, that sounds ridiculous given how long we have been around(1883).
If we get the new stadium and get out of this league and into say League 1 or the Championship, then given the fan base & the other streams of income that could be generated, in the right hands the club could have a bright future and be self sufficient.
I am far from convinced though that we are in the right hands, some of the decision making beggars belief, can we trust the club to see the UWE deal through? There are several directions the club could take in the very near future & I can't say with any real confidence which way it will go.
There are best case and worst case scenarios, to put any money into the club you need to be on the inside directing the way you want the club to go, would I fling any cash at the current board given where they have led the club?
Well I think with their track record, that would be pretty foolish, more to the point would they want a new investor anyway if he/she wanted a major say in how the club was run? However if you knew they will sell the Mem and not take up the UWE, then I think people would throw money at them because a big pay out surely awaits, I'm not saying that is what they will do, but I 'd be amazed if it hadn't crossed their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 19:48:43 GMT
League One or The Championship I think you probably are the kind of investor they'd welcome. I think if they do sell the Mem and don't build the new stadium all of the money left after debts have been paid off will be split between the shareholders. Any new owners will be expected to supply their own investment funds and working capital.
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Post by timothyq on Aug 14, 2014 19:49:30 GMT
given where we are, the one golden egg that is left in the nest is the UWE. That is, to say the least, a very contentious statement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2014 19:54:35 GMT
Uwe got to be joking!
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Post by Tote End Charlie on Aug 15, 2014 20:16:54 GMT
Thanks for your post,it really sheds some light on the current predicament of the club.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 15, 2014 21:01:56 GMT
It hit home last night - the actions of our clueless and inept board over the last 3 years are irreversible now.
The best we can hope for this season now is: 1) We somehow stay up 2) The fans finally unite and oust the clueless turds that run our club 3) Someone invests in the club (unlikely I know) 4) We somehow find/sign a centre forward whose goals tally will reach double figures in a season 5) We get organised next pre season - unlike this one, despite all of the time we had.....yet more total p*ss poor management
I will never watch Rovers again whilst the clowns run our club.....you are more than welcome to give it the normal "f*ck off down the gate, we don't need you"......but, there's hundreds and hundreds like me.....OUR BOARD WILL PUT US OUT OF BUSINESS....END OF
AND AS FOR THE COMMENTS OF OTHER CLUBS...... Had a business meeting today in Wales, guy I met was a Swans season ticket holder.......during our break we talked footy...his words "wan't to hug you for what's happened to your club.....how the hell has it gone so wrong....Rovers are a league club" We have had serious offers of investment which were refused. Vetoed by the board or a member of the board. Why would they do this ??
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2014 21:31:14 GMT
The big question is where is NH taking us, the promised land or oblivion? I'm fearing the latter there's no signs of starting work on the UWE and this squad looks miles off being a promotion chasing one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 21:36:01 GMT
It hit home last night - the actions of our clueless and inept board over the last 3 years are irreversible now.
The best we can hope for this season now is: 1) We somehow stay up 2) The fans finally unite and oust the clueless turds that run our club 3) Someone invests in the club (unlikely I know) 4) We somehow find/sign a centre forward whose goals tally will reach double figures in a season 5) We get organised next pre season - unlike this one, despite all of the time we had.....yet more total p*ss poor management
I will never watch Rovers again whilst the clowns run our club.....you are more than welcome to give it the normal "f*ck off down the gate, we don't need you"......but, there's hundreds and hundreds like me.....OUR BOARD WILL PUT US OUT OF BUSINESS....END OF
AND AS FOR THE COMMENTS OF OTHER CLUBS...... Had a business meeting today in Wales, guy I met was a Swans season ticket holder.......during our break we talked footy...his words "wan't to hug you for what's happened to your club.....how the hell has it gone so wrong....Rovers are a league club" We have had serious offers of investment which were refused. Vetoed by the board or a member of the board. Why would they do this ?? As I said earlier, if funds received for sale of the Mem are not used to part fund the UWE there will be a sizeable surplus to split between the shareholders, so why would they either dilute or dispose of the chance to make a decent return on their investment. We really are in a right mess because of this there's no chance of any change in management and ownership, they won't invest any more money to get us a decent team, the UWE is in no ones interest and if the sale of the Mem goes ahead we'll be homeless and the shareholders will pocket the proceeds. Future looks bleak is an understatement.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 15, 2014 21:44:19 GMT
We have had serious offers of investment which were refused. Vetoed by the board or a member of the board. Why would they do this ?? As I said earlier, if funds received for sale of the Mem are not used to part fund the UWE there will be a sizeable surplus to split between the shareholders, so why would they either dilute or dispose of the chance to make a decent return on their investment. We really are in a right mess because of this there's no chance of any change in management and ownership, they won't invest any more money to get us a decent team, the UWE is in no ones interest and if the sale of the Mem goes ahead we'll be homeless and the shareholders will pocket the proceeds. Future looks bleak is an understatement. Have to admit that it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe but I hope I am very wrong.
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Post by Bridgeman on Aug 15, 2014 21:46:25 GMT
If and when Sainsbury's buy the Mem I'm not too certain if the sum they are buying it for will be handed over in one go. There may well be certain financial safeguards built into the purchase of the Mem to ensure what people say the Board could do is prevented. Don't forget we will continue to play at the Mem while the new stadium is built, it may well be money is only tranferred across as various stages of the stadium build is progressed. Sainsbury's aren't going to want their money to disappear without seeing some evidence it is going to be used for it's intended purpose. Sainbury's aren't going to want fans campaigning against the demolition of the Mem (how ironic would that be, in bed with TRASH!) if the Director's run off with the cash.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2014 21:47:55 GMT
As I said earlier, if funds received for sale of the Mem are not used to part fund the UWE there will be a sizeable surplus to split between the shareholders, so why would they either dilute or dispose of the chance to make a decent return on their investment. We really are in a right mess because of this there's no chance of any change in management and ownership, they won't invest any more money to get us a decent team, the UWE is in no ones interest and if the sale of the Mem goes ahead we'll be homeless and the shareholders will pocket the proceeds. Future looks bleak is an understatement. Have to admit that it is not as far fetched as some would have us believe but I hope I am very wrong. In response to the question you couched I could think of no other logical response
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