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Post by manchestergas on Feb 8, 2020 22:30:15 GMT
As I recall, the whole point of the share scheme was two fold. To clear the FC's debts and to achieve a 28% shareholding which would be sufficient to block any major decision, such as selling the Mem. The board, under GD, appeared to be genuinely behind the scheme. They most certainly should have been as achieving those aims would clearly have been in the best interests of the FC. The black hole would have been filled in and we would have had security of tenure. But in any such plan, it needs everyone to play ball. One side didn't, the black hole got bigger, is getting bigger still, and we have no security whatsoever. All very sad, when good people did their absolute best. Things could and should be so different. Such is life. Which is fine but then the SC would also have to be responsible for any incurring increasing costs of running a football club, and I dont belive they ever have had, and Im certain they dont currently have, anywhere near the clout to do it, and perhaps that perception by any owner/chairman of the club was seen as the major sticking point? It certainly seems to be a precedent that has now been set. The SC may whinge a whole lot about each set of owners the club may have, but a set of accounts I saw the other day shows that they have about £100k in cash in hand in the bank, but I couldnt see any donation to the football club for the things they promote on the 50/50 tickets.... So what are the exact objectives of the SC in its current guise, apart from it would appear on statement value, wasting some of that 100k on solicitors fees? I may be wrong but I understood most of that £100k came from the sale of the freehold to their shop. They rightly decided to get to ride of that as it ran at a loss (despite what that delightful poster Nurse Pluckett used to say and suddenly stopped posting post wael takeover wasn’t he something to do with SC) and in time would have bankrupted them. Wasn’t the agreement they would give the club that money when we had a new stadium and they would get use of certain facilities. I may be wrong. The SC is not the right vehicle for the share scheme. The SC should just support the club, it’s an easy objective and the personnel and structure if the SC has proved they can’t cope with a shareholding. They gave the existing shareholders too much leeway early doors, the share price and dilution and now to me the opposite with a complete breakdown of the relationship. There should be a separate supporters trust to own a blocking shareholding with a voice in the board with the sole aim of representing the views of all fans, not just those in the SC.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 22:34:02 GMT
Would they? I'm not business minded so I don't know, but I don't recall any talk of that at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:37:42 GMT
Given he's active on both forums Vertigo is just posting nonsense I'm afraid. Would you mind letting me know what nonsense i have posted related to the SC or ken masters? Or maybe bamber could fill me in? I have no idea who ken masters is to be honest so kindly fill me in on the nonsense i have posted on the subject? Obviously you can't prove a negative, but it would be incredible that somebody who is capable of trolling me relentlessly on here could have missed every single mention of Ken, ever, especially as I've mentioned him many times over the years.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 22:39:00 GMT
From the BRSC website. Maybe the money doesn't go to the fc as such these days:-
50/50 half time draw On match days we run the 50/50 half time draw, selling tickets around the stadium, with half the money going to the lucky winner and the other half going towards agreed targets.
Supporters have enabled us to raise substantial funds for stadium improvements in the past, and in recent years we have been key financial supporters of the BRFC Youth Academy.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 22:44:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:47:35 GMT
Would you mind letting me know what nonsense i have posted related to the SC or ken masters? Or maybe bamber could fill me in? I have no idea who ken masters is to be honest so kindly fill me in on the nonsense i have posted on the subject? A fan who claims he's supported us for decades and has posted over 5,000 posts across two threads now claiming he doesn't know who the SC FD, give it a rest. So you wont tell me what im supposed to have said? I dont give a flying f**k about the supporters club and have no idea who ken masters except this massive thread has informed me. I like the football,players and managers not interested in supporters club politics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:51:45 GMT
Would you mind letting me know what nonsense i have posted related to the SC or ken masters? Or maybe bamber could fill me in? I have no idea who ken masters is to be honest so kindly fill me in on the nonsense i have posted on the subject? Obviously you can't prove a negative, but it would be incredible that somebody who is capable of trolling me relentlessly on here could have missed every single mention of Ken, ever, especially as I've mentioned him many times over the years. I know him for the wrong reasons,ie posters on here posting about him. So anyway what nonsense have i posted about this bloke? To me your the troll,always spiteful and every post an attempt to humiliate any poster who disagrees with your viewpoint. But anyway tell me what nonsense i have posted about this legendary rovers man masters?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:55:01 GMT
I like the football,players and managers not interested in supporters club politics. In fairness, this has always been mrbluesky's consistent stance. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 22:56:30 GMT
Obviously you can't prove a negative, but it would be incredible that somebody who is capable of trolling me relentlessly on here could have missed every single mention of Ken, ever, especially as I've mentioned him many times over the years. I know him for the wrong reasons,ie posters on here posting about him. So anyway what nonsense have i posted about this bloke? To me your the troll,always spiteful and every post an attempt to humiliate any poster who disagrees with your viewpoint. But anyway tell me what nonsense i have posted about this legendary rovers man masters? Bit sensitive today aren't you? So anyway, back on topic, yesterday, or early this morning, you wrote this; To be fair, if you can't remember what you yourself wrote earlier today, or whether or not you've ever heard of Ken, we may as well just draw a line under this here and now because you'll only get even more confused.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:08:30 GMT
I know him for the wrong reasons,ie posters on here posting about him. So anyway what nonsense have i posted about this bloke? To me your the troll,always spiteful and every post an attempt to humiliate any poster who disagrees with your viewpoint. But anyway tell me what nonsense i have posted about this legendary rovers man masters? Bit sensitive today aren't you? So anyway, back on topic, yesterday, or early this morning, you wrote this; To be fair, if you can't remember what you yourself wrote earlier today, or whether or not you've ever heard of Ken, we may as well just draw a line under this here and now because you'll only get even more confused. Well what i was saying is why is there a massive thread on somebody who i only know because a few old men on a forum chat about him. I mean i know about harry bamford and bobby jones etc but ken masters?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:12:04 GMT
Bit sensitive today aren't you? So anyway, back on topic, yesterday, or early this morning, you wrote this; To be fair, if you can't remember what you yourself wrote earlier today, or whether or not you've ever heard of Ken, we may as well just draw a line under this here and now because you'll only get even more confused. Well what i was saying is why is there a massive thread on somebody who i only know because a few old men on a forum chat about him. I mean i know about harry bamford and bobby jones etc but ken masters? This is like talking to 'She who casts no shadow'. Says one thing, means someone different and you are in BIG trouble if you can't understand
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:39:14 GMT
who is he? This masters bloke with the massive thread,is he a rovers legend or something? I have never heard of him i must admit? That says it all. What a waste of a million quid. What do you mean by that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 23:42:32 GMT
This forum is simply a little clique of about 15 people who all know each other for better or worse. Others stray on here by accident thinking its something to do with rovers playing football but its not really is it?
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 9, 2020 3:23:22 GMT
This forum is simply a little clique of about 15 people who all know each other for better or worse. Others stray on here by accident thinking its something to do with rovers playing football but its not really is it? Not me!, I dont know anybody on this forum, and have not strayed, I have posted on here for years, I need help, where is my pigeon-hole?.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 8:09:53 GMT
This forum is simply a little clique of about 15 people who all know each other for better or worse. Others stray on here by accident thinking its something to do with rovers playing football but its not really is it? That's just not true, old mate. Take a break if it's annoying you. Come back when the mood takes you. This forum has always discussed Gas politics. It's interesting to many supporters. Gas politics pertains to the club's survival. It's especially interesting to those supporters who together contributed a million pounds in order to put that freeloading no-mark Masters on the BRFC board.
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Post by The Concept on Feb 9, 2020 8:13:53 GMT
... Mike Jay promotes some of his Rovers books on a site for Rovers fans. Shock horror. So what? ... Agreed. I have no problem at all with Mike Jay, John Maclean, Harry Buckle, Kegan Degg, or anyone else for that matter, promoting books or events about Bristol Rovers Football Club, on a Bristol Rovers supporters forum. In fact I'd openly welcome it - it makes a nice change from reading posts from people who spend their spare time slagging off people who spend their spare time doing good things for the football club, on an inconsequential football forum, along with a handful of others, to an audience of a few score.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 9:19:39 GMT
That says it all. What a waste of a million quid. What do you mean by that? Supporters pay over £1m to achieve representation within the boardroom and a bloke who has supposed to have carried out the role for 14 years is unknown to supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 9:27:44 GMT
This forum is simply a little clique of about 15 people who all know each other for better or worse. Others stray on here by accident thinking its something to do with rovers playing football but its not really is it? I don't know you as far as I know so that can't be true.
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Post by bloogas on Feb 9, 2020 9:59:47 GMT
This forum is simply a little clique of about 15 people who all know each other for better or worse. Others stray on here by accident thinking its something to do with rovers playing football but its not really is it? I don't know you as far as I know so that can't be true. Read it again - "others stray on here". So does allude to not everyone knowing everyone else. I strayed on here some years ago and have picked up useful information on the club I support, how it's been run and why we are where we are . That has required wading through an awful lot of twaddle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:53:36 GMT
I don't know you as far as I know so that can't be true. Read it again - "others stray on here". So does allude to not everyone knowing everyone else. I strayed on here some years ago and have picked up useful information on the club I support, how it's been run and why we are where we are . That has required wading through an awful lot of twaddle. Stray on here but manage to post nearly 1000 times (Vertigo)? I would call that a fairly regular visitor.
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