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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 8, 2020 13:01:56 GMT
Almost spat out me morning coffee. In the early years you spent a lot of it! Vertigo makes a good point though doesn't he. No linked up thinking between the SC and FC over the years, no central database of contact information. Yes, I do realise that this is now a dated method and is only part of how things are done, but we are talking here about 2004 ~ I'm guessing though that Vertigo isn't a SC member or he would have received the SC newsletter, that would have brought him up to speed a bit. Given he's active on both forums Vertigo is just posting nonsense I'm afraid. I've no idea who he is, but my first guess would be an East Stand season ticket holder
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 13:05:22 GMT
Given he's active on both forums Vertigo is just posting nonsense I'm afraid. I've no idea who he is, but my first guess would be an East Stand season ticket holder Be it ever so humble, there's no place like 'ome.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 13:41:27 GMT
that never got communicated to the important people, which were the fans. That was the point. Decisions were made to protect individuals and their shareholdings and even a mention of a pension. The club and fans were secondary and so ended the dreams of many who really did care about the club. The facts were out there but the status quo was chosen and that is why we are where we are now. You are right, most are old now but must dash, Friday night is Youth Club night. And this is the SC's exact failing in my view and why it isnt a "supporters club'. The collective will own be interested in protecting their investment and the interests of the "members" will be secondary. So how can we be sure they really are acting in the SC and the FC best interests? Especially when there is a clear conflict. The legal actions between the 2 clubs absolutely prove this to be the case, which morally declares the SC bankrupt unless it can reform under a different guise or the very minimum a different committee, with a clear direction for change.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 13:52:06 GMT
That was the point. Decisions were made to protect individuals and their shareholdings and even a mention of a pension. The club and fans were secondary and so ended the dreams of many who really did care about the club. The facts were out there but the status quo was chosen and that is why we are where we are now. You are right, most are old now but must dash, Friday night is Youth Club night. And this is the SC's exact failing in my view and why it isnt a "supporters club'. The collective will own be interested in protecting their investment and the interests of the "members" will be secondary. So how can we be sure they really are acting in the SC and the FC best interests? Especially when there is a clear conflict. The legal actions between the 2 clubs absolutely prove this to be the case, which morally declares the SC bankrupt unless it can reform under a different guise or the very minimum a different committee, with a clear direction for change. This is exactly what the SC has needed for at least a decade. Somebody who isn't going to just criticise from the side lines but who is going to get involved and shake it up from within. You have my total support. Well done.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 14:39:58 GMT
And this is the SC's exact failing in my view and why it isnt a "supporters club'. The collective will own be interested in protecting their investment and the interests of the "members" will be secondary. So how can we be sure they really are acting in the SC and the FC best interests? Especially when there is a clear conflict. The legal actions between the 2 clubs absolutely prove this to be the case, which morally declares the SC bankrupt unless it can reform under a different guise or the very minimum a different committee, with a clear direction for change. This is exactly what the SC has needed for at least a decade. Somebody who isn't going to just criticise from the side lines but who is going to get involved and shake it up from within. You have my total support. Well done. I would be blackballed if I farted near the SC given my criticism of them and their cronies. They don’t like me very much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 15:18:17 GMT
This is exactly what the SC has needed for at least a decade. Somebody who isn't going to just criticise from the side lines but who is going to get involved and shake it up from within. You have my total support. Well done. I would be blackballed if I farted near the SC given my criticism of them and their cronies. They don’t like me very much. This is beginning to sound like Vaughan with his crowd funding thing, a load of grandstanding with no actual intention of doing anything. Of course they won't like you if you are going to change the entire operating model. Are you sure you run several businesses, you don't seem to have a particularly forensic mind?
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 8, 2020 15:27:24 GMT
This is exactly what the SC has needed for at least a decade. Somebody who isn't going to just criticise from the side lines but who is going to get involved and shake it up from within. You have my total support. Well done. I would be blackballed if I farted near the SC given my criticism of them and their cronies. They don’t like me very much. no one likes you ...but you don't care Millwall closet fan I am guessing ?
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 8, 2020 15:38:34 GMT
Mike For christ's sake. This is a football related forum, there is no stretch imaginable that can link posts on here to be acquiescent to any form of fascist ideology. Well said. That post was offensive. Never deny history not offensive just factual you jumped up doctor. Concentrate on the truth before it bites you in the bum.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 16:50:13 GMT
Well said. That post was offensive. Never deny history not offensive just factual you jumped up doctor. Concentrate on the truth before it bites you in the bum. Please posters start caring and keep it sensible no personal comments. ...
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 19:17:46 GMT
I would be blackballed if I farted near the SC given my criticism of them and their cronies. They don’t like me very much. This is beginning to sound like Vaughan with his crowd funding thing, a load of grandstanding with no actual intention of doing anything. Of course they won't like you if you are going to change the entire operating model. Are you sure you run several businesses, you don't seem to have a particularly forensic mind? To get anywhere near the committee there is a popularity side of the contest to be won with the chair and like I said, it would be a waste of my time. If JC and KM leave then I’ll put my name in the hat. Until then it’s pointless as they want to continue the old boys brigade. That has nothing to do with having a forensic mind. It’s about common sense. And from the actions of the SC just lately, you can see it would be an entirely pointless exercise.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 19:43:14 GMT
I would be blackballed if I farted near the SC given my criticism of them and their cronies. They don’t like me very much. no one likes you ...but you don't care Millwall closet fan I am guessing ? Cute, look at you trying to be humorous and clever and failing at both.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 19:43:41 GMT
That says it all. What a waste of a million quid. Almost spat out me morning coffee. In the early years you spent a lot of it! Not true. The black hole that it went down already existed, it's just got a lot bigger since.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 20:10:33 GMT
This is beginning to sound like Vaughan with his crowd funding thing, a load of grandstanding with no actual intention of doing anything. Of course they won't like you if you are going to change the entire operating model. Are you sure you run several businesses, you don't seem to have a particularly forensic mind? To get anywhere near the committee there is a popularity side of the contest to be won with the chair and like I said, it would be a waste of my time. If JC and KM leave then I’ll put my name in the hat. Until then it’s pointless as they want to continue the old boys brigade. That has nothing to do with having a forensic mind. It’s about common sense. And from the actions of the SC just lately, you can see it would be an entirely pointless exercise. How about you decide what you think the SC should be and how you are going to achieve that then go and speak to Jim, you may be surprised, he's been doing it for a very long time, he may well step aside if you can sell your vision to him. Failing that, speak to John Malyckyj, he'll explain how to orchestrate a hostile takeover. Seriously, this is a low hurdle compared to what comes later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 20:13:07 GMT
Almost spat out me morning coffee. In the early years you spent a lot of it! Not true. The black hole that it went down already existed, it's just got a lot bigger since. I know that, was just messing around, but you do make a salient point though. The losses looked worrying then, I honestly don't know where you / me / we / anybody would start if handed the keys today and the starting point was - £8k per-day.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 21:35:28 GMT
As I recall, the whole point of the share scheme was two fold. To clear the FC's debts and to achieve a 28% shareholding which would be sufficient to block any major decision, such as selling the Mem.
The board, under GD, appeared to be genuinely behind the scheme. They most certainly should have been as achieving those aims would clearly have been in the best interests of the FC. The black hole would have been filled in and we would have had security of tenure.
But in any such plan, it needs everyone to play ball. One side didn't, the black hole got bigger, is getting bigger still, and we have no security whatsoever.
All very sad, when good people did their absolute best. Things could and should be so different. Such is life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2020 21:49:02 GMT
Almost spat out me morning coffee. In the early years you spent a lot of it! Vertigo makes a good point though doesn't he. No linked up thinking between the SC and FC over the years, no central database of contact information. Yes, I do realise that this is now a dated method and is only part of how things are done, but we are talking here about 2004 ~ I'm guessing though that Vertigo isn't a SC member or he would have received the SC newsletter, that would have brought him up to speed a bit. Given he's active on both forums Vertigo is just posting nonsense I'm afraid. Would you mind letting me know what nonsense i have posted related to the SC or ken masters? Or maybe bamber could fill me in? I have no idea who ken masters is to be honest so kindly fill me in on the nonsense i have posted on the subject?
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 8, 2020 21:59:30 GMT
Not true. The black hole that it went down already existed, it's just got a lot bigger since. I know that, was just messing around, but you do make a salient point though. The losses looked worrying then, I honestly don't know where you / me / we / anybody would start if handed the keys today and the starting point was - £8k per-day. Putting the present manager on gardening leave and then appointing one with L1 experience would be a very good start.
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Post by droitwichgas on Feb 8, 2020 22:08:36 GMT
Given he's active on both forums Vertigo is just posting nonsense I'm afraid. Would you mind letting me know what nonsense i have posted related to the SC or ken masters? Or maybe bamber could fill me in? I have no idea who ken masters is to be honest so kindly fill me in on the nonsense i have posted on the subject? A fan who claims he's supported us for decades and has posted over 5,000 posts across two threads now claiming he doesn't know who the SC FD, give it a rest.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 22:12:14 GMT
As I recall, the whole point of the share scheme was two fold. To clear the FC's debts and to achieve a 28% shareholding which would be sufficient to block any major decision, such as selling the Mem. The board, under GD, appeared to be genuinely behind the scheme. They most certainly should have been as achieving those aims would clearly have been in the best interests of the FC. The black hole would have been filled in and we would have had security of tenure. But in any such plan, it needs everyone to play ball. One side didn't, the black hole got bigger, is getting bigger still, and we have no security whatsoever. All very sad, when good people did their absolute best. Things could and should be so different. Such is life. Which is fine but then the SC would also have to be responsible for any incurring increasing costs of running a football club, and I dont belive they ever have had, and Im certain they dont currently have, anywhere near the clout to do it, and perhaps that perception by any owner/chairman of the club was seen as the major sticking point? It certainly seems to be a precedent that has now been set. The SC may whinge a whole lot about each set of owners the club may have, but a set of accounts I saw the other day shows that they have about £100k in cash in hand in the bank, but I couldnt see any donation to the football club for the things they promote on the 50/50 tickets.... So what are the exact objectives of the SC in its current guise, apart from it would appear on statement value, wasting some of that 100k on solicitors fees?
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Post by gastower on Feb 8, 2020 22:26:24 GMT
Well they need to set aside funds for the non payment by the football club for supporter club coach costs for a start
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