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Post by irishrover on Mar 5, 2019 12:58:44 GMT
There's always going to be undulation by teams, some currently playing way above their "natural level", some way bellow. For every Accrington, there is a Stockport. That's the very nature of the promotion/relegation system. Accrington in my opinion are the perfect storm, the perfect manager, at the perfect club, at the perfect time. I wouldn't say Accrington are something to aim for, but we can certainly learn from how they've managed to stretch every penny as far as they have. Unfortunately the way football has become, new money clubs will always push historically placed clubs out of the way, however at every level we've always had teams undulate above their level and fall back again. It's just harder for clubs to do it at the top end without doping. I mean obviously up to a point that's how it's supposed to work but I worry that what's happened now is that instead of having a kind of slope of progression which gets progressively steeper as you go up the pyramid you instead have a series of equilibrium's. So instead of having the capacity to make solid progression if you do the right things, you now need to have something that allows you to generate the investment to jump you to that next level and without it you will just atrophy and fall further back in ever decreasing circles, which I think is what's happened to us. In statistical terms it would be expressed in terms of upper and lower bound effects. So, in essence each club has a ceiling with which it's extremely unlikely to go above and a floor through which it's very unlikely to fall and the vast majority of the time we'd be somewhere in between. Crudely I would say that both our ceiling and floor have both gotten steadily lower over the last 25 years.
When I started supporting Rovers the expectation was that we were a good 3rd tier team that expected to finish in the top half of that table and if we did well it was conceivable that we could be a mid table 2nd tier team (those in a previous generation would have even higher assumptions suggesting relative decline has been longer than that) - relegation to the 4th tier wasn't inconceivable but dropping out of the league certainly was. Now a top half 3rd tier finish is considered a very good season and we have recent history of being relegated out of the league. This is why I'm in the revolution not evolution camp - we need something dramatic to shift or we'll continue the long relative decline. So are we a Port Vale/Notts County or a Hull City/Swansea City? Right now we're clearly closer to the former but the one thing that gives you hope is that those clubs have suffered a long term decline in their fanbase whereas we seem to have increased ours.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 18:05:41 GMT
And something about shoveler's limericks Limericks?! Never been so insulted.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 5, 2019 18:39:05 GMT
And something about shoveler's limericks Limericks?! Never been so insulted. In AMPG's defence... I think it was an attempt to tie in with the Oirish theme. Now about your Petrarchan sonnets...
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 9, 2019 14:33:08 GMT
Don't worry Bamber, IMHO you still own that particular crown. Along with a few others. There's a thing Epping, anyone who thinks enough of themselves to express their own opinion as being 'humble' is probable not. I disagree, one can be humble but also principled, as I see it anyway.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 9, 2019 14:48:35 GMT
There's a thing Epping, anyone who thinks enough of themselves to express their own opinion as being 'humble' is probable not. See also: "with the greatest respect". However I think it is 'better' to polite rude, than just plain rude. As you were to Irish above. (IMHO of course). Yes, it’s good to have a poster like irish on here. His posts are interesting, make valid points and encourage discussion. Nothing to dislike and if others don’t want to read them, then don’t but dont criticise or discourage efforts to encourage discussion. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 15:09:36 GMT
See also: "with the greatest respect". However I think it is 'better' to polite rude, than just plain rude. As you were to Irish above. (IMHO of course). Yes, it’s good to have a poster like irish on here. His posts are interesting, make valid points and encourage discussion. Nothing to dislike and if others don’t want to read them, then don’t but dont criticise or discourage efforts to encourage discussion. UTG! What's the benefit in using 500 words when with a little thought you can do a better job with 50? Anyway, the post in question was to me, I think I'm allowed to reply as I choose, if that's OK with you of course?
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 9, 2019 15:16:47 GMT
Of course you can. That was my point, up to everyone to decide and surely it can be done without being rude. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 15:20:49 GMT
Of course you can. That was my point, up to everyone to decide and surely it can be done without being rude. UTG! The reply wasn't rude, I just said that I didn't want to wade through an unnecessarily long, rather unlettered post. He came straight back and made the point in an equally unlettered but more concise way. He didn't seem upset.
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 10, 2019 10:07:11 GMT
I guess we will have to politely agree to differ. I (and others) think your original reply to Irish was rude. For someone who is obviously fairly articulate it was deliberately and unnecessarily abrupt and I thought disrespectful. Maybe not by Gaschat standards I grant you... Poor grammar and unnecessary rudeness, two of many things that I just can't stand. Must be my age. Now everyone have a really lovely day. UTG.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 10, 2019 11:08:58 GMT
And Rochdale win!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 20:48:46 GMT
I guess we will have to politely agree to differ. I (and others) think your original reply to Irish was rude. For someone who is obviously fairly articulate it was deliberately and unnecessarily abrupt and I thought disrespectful. Maybe not by Gaschat standards I grant you... Poor grammar and unnecessary rudeness, two of many things that I just can't stand. Must be my age. Now everyone have a really lovely day. UTG. The first and second time I made the point to him I was maybe more polite. I just don't see the point in long meandering posts that tell stories of when we wore onions on our belts, as was the fashion at the time. Anyway, I doubt that he needs others to take up offence on his behalf, if he cared he would have said so.
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