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Post by vaughan on Nov 30, 2018 17:11:46 GMT
Nasty Nick...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 17:40:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 17:57:01 GMT
Nick is a lovely, genuine and generous man. He's a top bloke.
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Post by vaughan on Nov 30, 2018 18:13:13 GMT
OMG
His first name is Tom, not Nick.
Look, he is there in dinner suit next to Hayley McQueen collecting an award on behalf of the club, having been responsible for a great video.
What is not to like about Tom Gorringe.
Let's celebrate success and raise a glass..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 18:39:38 GMT
I have no connection to the club but it was run like a pile of w*** for years and it’s MUCH better now. They are doing the best they can given the crap ground. I sense personal alliegences. You can’t look at the work done over the last couple of years and think the previous regime were better. Literally nothing happened for years and years. Shop looks fine to me, new bar is better. What’s the problem? Nothing whatsoever to do with personal allegiances. I have no idea what happened with Ian Holtby, if that's what you are driving at, I'm guessing that it was a storm in a teacup or we would have heard all about the tribunal by now, wouldn't we? I got on well with Holts, but I owe the bloke nothing. What I'm interested in is, is Gorringe doing the best possible job, the list of mistakes would kind of point us towards a conclusion. The video (I suspect put together by a marketing company, whilst brilliant, and I said at the time wouldn't look out of place if put out by a PL club) was a false down, since then, although he has an assistant, the marketing has been rubbish, that includes setting a date to end season ticket sales in May. May, what was he even thinking?
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Post by utg12 on Nov 30, 2018 18:43:05 GMT
"You clearly do not know the chaos he has caused behind the scenes. Against good people. REALLY good people" No I don't. I am aware that KB left over editorial control, I am led to believe, but nothing else. I am also aware that some "practices" at the club previously were, how can I put it, "less than commercial" Things change, people get upset. But change occurs or you wilt and die. Not true re KB. You really think they were taking editorial control away from him? No. It was issues with TG. To be clear, the issue is not with so much to do with how we have got 'better' (or not) at the commercial side (agree that things change in life), but the way it has been done, and the way rovers supporters have been pushed aside. Short term gain - long term pain. Not particularly defending Holtby although it is interesting that many ex-players and an ex-manager trust him like family. Change can be handled properly.
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Post by utg12 on Nov 30, 2018 18:51:38 GMT
Just saying what I see. It's not personal, I'm sure he's a nice enough guy, just rubbish at the job. I mentioned dragging systems out of the 1970s, it needed doing, but the season ticket farce, the shop looks like a 5 year old set it up, staff shoving cash into their pockets in the car park, proximity boxes broken, still no operational CRM, season cards not being scanned when shop purchases are being made. This isn't cutting edge stuff. Sorry but he's clueless. Yes I agree with a lot of that. My feeling is that a lot of new ideas and technology have been squeezed into a shambles of a stadium on a limited budget. Add to that, the (almost) natural resistance to change from ingrained staff and volunteers and it cannot have been easy. Oh, the old assumption that experienced staff are ingrained and new staff are amazing and go getting, and can ride roughshod over older staff. Got any more discriminatory ideas?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 19:33:39 GMT
Yes I agree with a lot of that. My feeling is that a lot of new ideas and technology have been squeezed into a shambles of a stadium on a limited budget. Add to that, the (almost) natural resistance to change from ingrained staff and volunteers and it cannot have been easy. Oh, the old assumption that experienced staff are ingrained and new staff are amazing and go getting, and can ride roughshod over older staff. Got any more discriminatory ideas? We can argue about it, but without naming examples it's a circular argument. Just to say my, albeit limited, experience was that resistance to change was endemic.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 30, 2018 21:46:48 GMT
I have no connection to the club but it was run like a pile of w*** for years and it’s MUCH better now. They are doing the best they can given the crap ground. I sense personal alliegences. You can’t look at the work done over the last couple of years and think the previous regime were better. Literally nothing happened for years and years. Shop looks fine to me, new bar is better. What’s the problem? Nothing whatsoever to do with personal allegiances. I have no idea what happened with Ian Holtby, if that's what you are driving at, I'm guessing that it was a storm in a teacup or we would have heard all about the tribunal by now, wouldn't we? I got on well with Holts, but I owe the bloke nothing. What I'm interested in is, is Gorringe doing the best possible job, the list of mistakes would kind of point us towards a conclusion. The video (I suspect put together by a marketing company, whilst brilliant, and I said at the time wouldn't look out of place if put out by a PL club) was a false down, since then, although he has an assistant, the marketing has been rubbish, that includes setting a date to end season ticket sales in May. May, what was he even thinking? I don’t know the deal with Ian Holtby - think he was the old stadium manager? Maybe I’m not specific but there does seem to be at least some attempt to improve facilities. We got nothing for years, excepting the roof we paid for! The may thing was dumb and I didn’t get one because of it. Still annoyed at having to buy a ticket but I presume we had employees pocketing cash.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 30, 2018 22:37:17 GMT
Last week, the Club was awarded a Bronze award at the annual Football Business Awards for the category the Best Club Marketing Initiative (non-Premier League).
The award was presented for Club's Season Ticket renewal campaign, that received widespread acclaim when released earlier this year.
The campaign titled 'Step Up' showed the heart-warming story of young supporter's journey on visiting the Memorial Stadium for the first time and was filmed using the loyal fans.
On receiving the award, Commercial Director, Tom Gorringe, said, “We are delighted to be recognised on such a prestigious stage at the Football Business Awards last week.
"The season ticket campaign and in particular the video was one that took a large amount of organisation, involving people within the business as well as some loyal Gasheads.
"We would like to thank everyone that was involved and the organisers of the awards for recognising the campaign amongst all of the great work that goes on within the industry.”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 22:55:49 GMT
Nothing whatsoever to do with personal allegiances. I have no idea what happened with Ian Holtby, if that's what you are driving at, I'm guessing that it was a storm in a teacup or we would have heard all about the tribunal by now, wouldn't we? I got on well with Holts, but I owe the bloke nothing. What I'm interested in is, is Gorringe doing the best possible job, the list of mistakes would kind of point us towards a conclusion. The video (I suspect put together by a marketing company, whilst brilliant, and I said at the time wouldn't look out of place if put out by a PL club) was a false down, since then, although he has an assistant, the marketing has been rubbish, that includes setting a date to end season ticket sales in May. May, what was he even thinking? I don’t know the deal with Ian Holtby - think he was the old stadium manager? Maybe I’m not specific but there does seem to be at least some attempt to improve facilities. We got nothing for years, excepting the roof we paid for! The may thing was dumb and I didn’t get one because of it. Still annoyed at having to buy a ticket but I presume we had employees pocketing cash. I have no idea if there was any impropriety, I would most certainly hope not, and I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the impression that I thought there may have been. My previous comments about staff shoving their pockets full of cash in the car park related to a game where there was confusion about ticketing, long queues at the ticket office as kick off approached, so the turnstiles were opened to cash paying customers, but rather than have the guys in the hut collect the £, staff walked along the lines of people and took the money, there was a lady with literally fists and pockets bulging with notes. I'm sure that every penny ended up in the club till, just as it should, it was just a farcical situation. Again, I apologise if I gave the wrong impression.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Dec 1, 2018 5:46:32 GMT
I don’t know the deal with Ian Holtby - think he was the old stadium manager? Maybe I’m not specific but there does seem to be at least some attempt to improve facilities. We got nothing for years, excepting the roof we paid for! The may thing was dumb and I didn’t get one because of it. Still annoyed at having to buy a ticket but I presume we had employees pocketing cash. I have no idea if there was any impropriety, I would most certainly hope not, and I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the impression that I thought there may have been. My previous comments about staff shoving their pockets full of cash in the car park related to a game where there was confusion about ticketing, long queues at the ticket office as kick off approached, so the turnstiles were opened to cash paying customers, but rather than have the guys in the hut collect the £, staff walked along the lines of people and took the money, there was a lady with literally fists and pockets bulging with notes. I'm sure that every penny ended up in the club till, just as it should, it was just a farcical situation. Again, I apologise if I gave the wrong impression. Nah mate that’s not what I meant. I was more meaning why would you change to ticketing and not have cash at the turnstyle? Main reason would be to stop cash getting stuck to staffs fingers. Although I’ve not heard that was an issue earlier. We did have some woman in the SC who gambled a load of club money didn’t we? I gamble a bit. Like my poker, but the more I age the more I hate betting companies. So many lives around me have been ruined. I just can’t fathom how people keep doing it. The bookies always win in the end, always. I currently have a family member blowing his life savings on FOBS. I can understand a crack habit but I will never understand compulsive gamblers. Anyhow, didn’t mean you were saying that pal 👍
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Post by Rex on Dec 1, 2018 6:36:53 GMT
As someone else said, Tom is a 'pro' who will be off as soon as he get's a better gig, he has done some good things, I was at the award do down at the amphitheatre at the start of the season and was taken aback and just how slick & professional it all was, it, along with a combination of a gallon of Guinness and too much wine actually made me believe we may actually be witnessing the beginning of some great times for our club. However, once the booze wears off and the season sees us limping from defeat to defeat, you see it for what it is, a bit of window dressing. Regarding the video, I remember thinking at the time that it looked really professional, but I also remember thinking I wasn't really fussed about having a video, I just wanted to know how much my ticket would be and when I could buy it. I actually ended up missing the date for the cheaper tickets by one day (Totally my fault) but phoned up the next day to buy one anyway. I was told I had missed the cut off, I said that I realised this and accepted I would have to pay the higher price , and was surprised to be told that I couldn't buy one at all yet and they didn't know when or how much it would be when I could buy one. I'm not sure how long I have had a season ticket, probably around 25-30 years, but I came very close to not having one this year, simply because I could not buy one when I wanted to, but at least we got an award for the video
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 1, 2018 11:51:15 GMT
Hilarious comedy moments from posts above!
From bringing in more money in the club's history (totally ignored), TG has been castigated by some whom still believe being a GasHead is more important than doing your job properly. Cos that philosophy works well re Higgs, doesn't it?!
Because, let's be honest, if our ex stadium manager loved our club so much, why did he conduct himself in such a way that was detrimental to the very thing he so say proclaimed to love? And more honestly, isn't at all missed.
I've met both, and been in the company of both. There really is no comparison. The club is infinitely better off now. Not saying there hasn't been mistakes on the way, of course not. Who doesn't make mistakes?
We are changing slowly, but slowly in the right direction...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 12:10:52 GMT
I have no idea if there was any impropriety, I would most certainly hope not, and I'm genuinely sorry if I gave the impression that I thought there may have been. My previous comments about staff shoving their pockets full of cash in the car park related to a game where there was confusion about ticketing, long queues at the ticket office as kick off approached, so the turnstiles were opened to cash paying customers, but rather than have the guys in the hut collect the £, staff walked along the lines of people and took the money, there was a lady with literally fists and pockets bulging with notes. I'm sure that every penny ended up in the club till, just as it should, it was just a farcical situation. Again, I apologise if I gave the wrong impression. Nah mate that’s not what I meant. I was more meaning why would you change to ticketing and not have cash at the turnstyle? Main reason would be to stop cash getting stuck to staffs fingers. Although I’ve not heard that was an issue earlier. We did have some woman in the SC who gambled a load of club money didn’t we? I gamble a bit. Like my poker, but the more I age the more I hate betting companies. So many lives around me have been ruined. I just can’t fathom how people keep doing it. The bookies always win in the end, always. I currently have a family member blowing his life savings on FOBS. I can understand a crack habit but I will never understand compulsive gamblers. Anyhow, didn’t mean you were saying that pal 👍 Gambling isn't gambling, it's spending money on entertaining yourself. If you are a poker man, ping Phil Ivey an email and ask him what happens when you 'beat the house', they don't let you keep your winnings is the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 12:21:22 GMT
Hilarious comedy moments from posts above! From bringing in more money in the club's history (totally ignored), TG has been castigated by some whom still believe being a GasHead is more important than doing your job properly. Cos that philosophy works well re Higgs, doesn't it?! Because, let's be honest, if our ex stadium manager loved our club so much, why did he conduct himself in such a way that was detrimental to the very thing he so say proclaimed to love? And more honestly, isn't at all missed. I've met both, and been in the company of both. There really is no comparison. The club is infinitely better off now. Not saying there hasn't been mistakes on the way, of course not. Who doesn't make mistakes? We are changing slowly, but slowly in the right direction... I'm amazed that whoever was responsible for the Mintbet farce kept their job. BTW, don't put me in a group of people who made a fuss when Tom arrived and it was obvious that Holt's days were numbered, change was needed, I'm just looking at Tom's record, the problems in a short space of time and thinking to myself that things could, and should, be a lot better.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 1, 2018 12:27:46 GMT
I have a bit of sympathy for TG. He is the Commercial Director, so his job is to generate more income for Bristol Rovers. But the problem with that is - the main source of revenue is the fans themselves. So if the bars are still busy at £4 a pint - job well done TG. So logically the next stop is £4.20 a pint, or £4.50 a pint. Still happy punters? Some would say that is fleecing the fans, some would say it's a free country and you can chose where to drink. I guess TG is just taking advantage of the elasticity of demand... Rovers fans drinking in Rovers bars will have a pretty low price sensitivity. So he walks a bit of a tightrope between maximising revenue and alienating the supporters.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 1, 2018 14:46:52 GMT
Hilarious comedy moments from posts above! From bringing in more money in the club's history (totally ignored), TG has been castigated by some whom still believe being a GasHead is more important than doing your job properly. Cos that philosophy works well re Higgs, doesn't it?! Because, let's be honest, if our ex stadium manager loved our club so much, why did he conduct himself in such a way that was detrimental to the very thing he so say proclaimed to love? And more honestly, isn't at all missed. I've met both, and been in the company of both. There really is no comparison. The club is infinitely better off now. Not saying there hasn't been mistakes on the way, of course not. Who doesn't make mistakes? We are changing slowly, but slowly in the right direction... I'm amazed that whoever was responsible for the Mintbet farce kept their job. BTW, don't put me in a group of people who made a fuss when Tom arrived and it was obvious that Holt's days were numbered, change was needed, I'm just looking at Tom's record, the problems in a short space of time and thinking to myself that things could, and should, be a lot better. I'm surprised that whoever was responsible for the Nichols farce kept their job too. How far and deep do you wanna go? How liberal do you wanna consistently spread the knife (that apparently gets stabbed in the back)? Weigh it up.....yes mistakes made, Mintbet didn't cost us anything in £, yet TG has brought more revenue into the club in the last 12 months than any other 12 months before. At least this way we know the funds are getting channeled into the club. What happens from then on is for another thread.....and that conundrum could take years to unravel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 14:56:46 GMT
I'm amazed that whoever was responsible for the Mintbet farce kept their job. BTW, don't put me in a group of people who made a fuss when Tom arrived and it was obvious that Holt's days were numbered, change was needed, I'm just looking at Tom's record, the problems in a short space of time and thinking to myself that things could, and should, be a lot better. I'm surprised that whoever was responsible for the Nichols farce kept their job too. How far and deep do you wanna go? How liberal do you wanna consistently spread the knife (that apparently gets stabbed in the back)? Weigh it up.....yes mistakes made, Mintbet didn't cost us anything in £, yet TG has brought more revenue into the club in the last 12 months than any other 12 months before. At least this way we know the funds are getting channeled into the club. What happens from then on is for another thread.....and that conundrum could take years to unravel. How do you know that Mintbet cost us nothing? Not keen on rumours, and that's all I have, unsubstantiated rumours, so may well not be true, but I hear that the settlement to them was substantial. It would be interesting to see Gorringe sell off of the back of 2 relegations, any sober 6th former could do it off of the back of 2 promotions. My suspicion is that he wouldn't hang around if that happened, he would be off. Where we agree, I think, is on missed opportunities. These owners are worse than Higgs, they inherited huge goodwill and momentum, and have squandered it. Shameful.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 2, 2018 11:36:52 GMT
I'm surprised that whoever was responsible for the Nichols farce kept their job too. How far and deep do you wanna go? How liberal do you wanna consistently spread the knife (that apparently gets stabbed in the back)? Weigh it up.....yes mistakes made, Mintbet didn't cost us anything in £, yet TG has brought more revenue into the club in the last 12 months than any other 12 months before. At least this way we know the funds are getting channeled into the club. What happens from then on is for another thread.....and that conundrum could take years to unravel. How do you know that Mintbet cost us nothing? Not keen on rumours, and that's all I have, unsubstantiated rumours, so may well not be true, but I hear that the settlement to them was substantial. It would be interesting to see Gorringe sell off of the back of 2 relegations, any sober 6th former could do it off of the back of 2 promotions. My suspicion is that he wouldn't hang around if that happened, he would be off. Where we agree, I think, is on missed opportunities. These owners are worse than Higgs, they inherited huge goodwill and momentum, and have squandered it. Shameful. Agree with owners, but I'm sorry, I alluded to the grand deception for a long time now. It's no surprise to me. TG..... disagree. Your 6th former comments especially disagree. True, he might not be around, who knows? Some players and/or management might not either. So what? What's your point? The role will still exist though. TG moved from a thriving Premiership outfit, to us. (?) He's helped, not hindered, but you obviously disagree. Seems to be a personal opinion to me. You don't even seem to recognise he's been unilaterally successful in bringing in more sponsorship funds to our club, than any time in our history...? Still, he isn't a GasHead from before birth so must be mistrusted......even though some whom claim to have been Gas have been placed in a position of trust before and have completely abused the privilege. Again you choose to ignore. Well you carry on, son..
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