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Post by laughinggas on Nov 29, 2018 11:05:24 GMT
Payne is the only player who looks half hearted to me. Not sure which Rovers or which Payne you are watching, he was charging around, chasing 4 defenders on Tuesday, whilst Nichols stood still watching. Payne Excellent ball boy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 11:21:38 GMT
Not sure which Rovers or which Payne you are watching, he was charging around, chasing 4 defenders on Tuesday, whilst Nichols stood still watching. Payne Excellent ball boy You say that, but I think he was partly responsible for making the referee aware of Gills slowing things down and us being given those 8 extra minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 14:11:38 GMT
Payne is the only player who looks half hearted to me. Not sure which Rovers or which Payne you are watching, he was charging around, chasing 4 defenders on Tuesday, whilst Nichols stood still watching. Tom Nichols ran his socks off all night and was man of the match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 14:19:17 GMT
Not sure which Rovers or which Payne you are watching, he was charging around, chasing 4 defenders on Tuesday, whilst Nichols stood still watching. Tom Nichols ran his socks off all night and was man of the match. We must watch different things. Not trying to be disrespectful, but I watch Tom closely, he's a huge part of our problem with slow transition from defence to attack, he spends far too much time static stood against defenders, or comes deep and is too slow getting back up the pitch. Granted, he looks technically good on the ball recently, but his overall contribution is poor. All about opinions though.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 29, 2018 16:38:17 GMT
Jeez I find myself agreeing with Bambi..
Payne was very unlucky not to score as his glancing header hit a slow to react keeper....he looked gutted too, so I think his attitude shouldn't be questioned.
Actually, nor should Tom as I thought he done ok (certainly no where near m o m, that was Sercs for me), but shouldn't be playing as a striker.
We were desperate for a two up front. We've been desperate for that all season.
Every time I see Nichols up front with a strike partner, they seem to play as two individual lone strikers rather than forming a partnership....but like someone said, it's all about opinions.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 29, 2018 21:51:00 GMT
Seem to remember Ray Graydon saying something very similar just before he left - understandably it went down like a lead ballon at the time given how appalling his reign had been, he wasn't wring though.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Nov 29, 2018 22:33:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 23:03:48 GMT
Goals scored in the last 2 seasons has accurately reflected our finishing position, mid-table, goals conceded is a different story, we've let in loads. For the last 30 games we've forgotten how to score but not how to give goals away. Do you think any of our coaches have ever watched videos of Payne to see how he's scored in the past, I don't. Were above halfway for goals against. Dc would know payne from games v dover and shrewsbury i imagine and he scored more goals than any other shrews player during their 3rd place finish last season. Im not a fan of watching videos but in sure they can be useful. that said payne may have been a panic buy but he is much more likely to score than tom nichols and he is a target so play him i say. Spend a few mins watching how the man we expected to lead the line this season got his goals last year, it'll make you wonder if anyone bothered to watch him before signing the cheque. Watch the Oxford footage and see what happens in the next attack after he scores. Oh dear.... Did someone say we were actually paying someone to manage recruitment? Fee undisclosed, but £400,000 keeps being mentioned. That's another P45 in the post and another member of backroom staff 'vanished'' when Wael logs in and sees this thread then
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 23:17:10 GMT
Were above halfway for goals against. Dc would know payne from games v dover and shrewsbury i imagine and he scored more goals than any other shrews player during their 3rd place finish last season. Im not a fan of watching videos but in sure they can be useful. that said payne may have been a panic buy but he is much more likely to score than tom nichols and he is a target so play him i say. Spend a few mins watching how the man we expected to lead the line this season got his goals last year, it'll make you wonder if anyone bothered to watch him before signing the cheque. Watch the Oxford footage and see what happens in the next attack after he scores. Oh dear.... Did someone say we were actually paying someone to manage recruitment? Fee undisclosed, but £400,000 keeps being mentioned. That's another P45 in the post and another member of backroom staff 'vanished'' when Wael logs in and sees this thread then No way it was £400k but cant be bothered to argue about it,most sources say £200k. We have 4 misfiring forwards and payne does not look great but i would play him ahead of the other 3 every time. Not for the first time this season we had defenders and keeper wondering who on earth to hit in forward positions on tuesday night so i would always play payne as hes a target of sorts at least.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 30, 2018 0:12:59 GMT
Spend a few mins watching how the man we expected to lead the line this season got his goals last year, it'll make you wonder if anyone bothered to watch him before signing the cheque. Watch the Oxford footage and see what happens in the next attack after he scores. Oh dear.... Did someone say we were actually paying someone to manage recruitment? Fee undisclosed, but £400,000 keeps being mentioned. That's another P45 in the post and another member of backroom staff 'vanished'' when Wael logs in and sees this thread then No way it was £400k but cant be bothered to argue about it,most sources say £200k. We have 4 misfiring forwards and payne does not look great but i would play him ahead of the other 3 every time. Not for the first time this season we had defenders and keeper wondering who on earth to hit in forward positions on tuesday night so i would always play payne as hes a target of sorts at least. Partingtons distribution would have struggled to hit barn door on Tuesday night. If we had lineker and Hughes up top they wouldn’t get that many goals with the distribution from rest of this team. Poor distribution, poor crossing, add it to lack of pace, height and muscle in the squad. Have we fielded any defender or GK this season we have actually paid money for? Agree Sercs was mom on Tuesday by a long chalk. Sercs is brilliant. Rest of the squad much of a muchness, lacking brawn and pace, a squad destined struggle. It hard to keep getting behind the squad if you feel it lacks variation, if the team is mostly on the short, scrawny and slow side, just like Portsmouth boasted we are. If Clarke goes it’s not 100% board and owners fault, Clarke has been given some say assembling this squad. Ill be be more specific. Instead of bringing in Upson we would have been better off giving Rouse opportunity’s to make that next step, as more first team time is the only way he can learn now. Upson in fact is blocking this from happening, which disappoints me. The Upson signing could have been a CB with a bit of height and pace. The decions to offload gaffers and Harrison happened so early in the window, should it have come down to a panic? What other sides do in the loan market is bring in loans to bolster the first 11 and actually play them, such as Abraham at City. And why bring in Mensah to then give up on him so soon? I dont want clarke to go, he’s as much a committed Gashead as I am. He’s a talented up and coming manager. But I do want the squad to be better than this, it’s the much of a muchness about the squad I am blaming for the results in the disappointing season so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 1:22:34 GMT
No way it was £400k but cant be bothered to argue about it,most sources say £200k. We have 4 misfiring forwards and payne does not look great but i would play him ahead of the other 3 every time. Not for the first time this season we had defenders and keeper wondering who on earth to hit in forward positions on tuesday night so i would always play payne as hes a target of sorts at least. Partingtons distribution would have struggled to hit barn door on Tuesday night. If we had lineker and Hughes up top they wouldn’t get that many goals with the distribution from rest of this team. Poor distribution, poor crossing, add it to lack of pace, height and muscle in the squad. Have we fielded any defender or GK this season we have actually paid money for? Agree Sercs was mom on Tuesday by a long chalk. Sercs is brilliant. Rest of the squad much of a muchness, lacking brawn and pace, a squad destined struggle. It hard to keep getting behind the squad if you feel it lacks variation, if the team is mostly on the short, scrawny and slow side, just like Portsmouth boasted we are. If Clarke goes it’s not 100% board and owners fault, Clarke has been given some say assembling this squad. Ill be be more specific. Instead of bringing in Upson we would have been better off giving Rouse opportunity’s to make that next step, as more first team time is the only way he can learn now. Upson in fact is blocking this from happening, which disappoints me. The Upson signing could have been a CB with a bit of height and pace. The decions to offload gaffers and Harrison happened so early in the window, should it have come down to a panic? What other sides do in the loan market is bring in loans to bolster the first 11 and actually play them, such as Abraham at City. And why bring in Mensah to then give up on him so soon? I dont want clarke to go, he’s as much a committed Gashead as I am. He’s a talented up and coming manager. But I do want the squad to be better than this, it’s the much of a muchness about the squad I am blaming for the results in the disappointing season so far. I believe the owners and the manager have both been poor in recent times,you cannot just blame one and not the other. All the evidence suggests the recruitment has been poor. We lost 3 very good players from last season brown,harrison and bodin and before that taylor. I will always believe that if the owners backed the manager in the january of our first season back in league one we would have got promoted not millwall. Trouble is it does not fully explain why our signings this season have been so poor. We are a small side without a doubt which might be ok if we passed the ball well and dominated possession but we have not been able to do that. Not convinced by the pace argument as we do have some quick players but we miss matty taylor when we counterattack,only sercombe looks the part for me in that respect. Regarding the loans bonham,lumley and sweeney all played plenty of games but not the others although i reckon some of them were signed just in case we had an injury crisis due to the loan rule changes. I dont believe in just blindly keeping the manager because of previous success,instead i think there comes a time where its worth trying a new face/voice in the hope of a positive reaction.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 30, 2018 13:35:00 GMT
No way it was £400k but cant be bothered to argue about it,most sources say £200k. We have 4 misfiring forwards and payne does not look great but i would play him ahead of the other 3 every time. Not for the first time this season we had defenders and keeper wondering who on earth to hit in forward positions on tuesday night so i would always play payne as hes a target of sorts at least. Partingtons distribution would have struggled to hit barn door on Tuesday night. If we had lineker and Hughes up top they wouldn’t get that many goals with the distribution from rest of this team. Poor distribution, poor crossing, add it to lack of pace, height and muscle in the squad. Have we fielded any defender or GK this season we have actually paid money for? Agree Sercs was mom on Tuesday by a long chalk. Sercs is brilliant. Rest of the squad much of a muchness, lacking brawn and pace, a squad destined struggle. It hard to keep getting behind the squad if you feel it lacks variation, if the team is mostly on the short, scrawny and slow side, just like Portsmouth boasted we are. If Clarke goes it’s not 100% board and owners fault, Clarke has been given some say assembling this squad. Ill be be more specific. Instead of bringing in Upson we would have been better off giving Rouse opportunity’s to make that next step, as more first team time is the only way he can learn now. Upson in fact is blocking this from happening, which disappoints me. The Upson signing could have been a CB with a bit of height and pace. The decions to offload gaffers and Harrison happened so early in the window, should it have come down to a panic? What other sides do in the loan market is bring in loans to bolster the first 11 and actually play them, such as Abraham at City. And why bring in Mensah to then give up on him so soon? I dont want clarke to go, he’s as much a committed Gashead as I am. He’s a talented up and coming manager. But I do want the squad to be better than this, it’s the much of a muchness about the squad I am blaming for the results in the disappointing season so far. The games I've seen this season (as normal mostly away) have been a bit baffling. We have looked at our best when parking the bus, flooding the midfield and frustrating the opposition. It wasn't football to win any style aards but we looked solid, hard to breakdown, committed to the cause and likely to pick up a reasonable number of points away from home. However, whenever the momentum of the games have shifted so that the onus was on Rovers to create and attack we have looked totally inept as a unit.
I don't think its neccesarily the individual players - the problem is the unit. We have a lot of OK/nice players who in a functional side that played to their strengths would probably be perfectly effective. What we don't have is a)a fulcrum for the attack who brings out the best in players around them either through developing the play or drawing the attention of the opposition (Taylor was the former and rarer type, Bodin and Harrison the latter) or b)a pattern of play that makes sense for the players we have and gives the opposition something to consistently worry about. I just can't see how we are trying to score goals most of the time - that is what is worrying. At this stage personally I think it is more likely that we find a player who can act as the fulcrum than it is DC will figure a way to make this squad play effective football. The problem is the recipe as much as the ingredients.
It is possible for more than one thing to be true about a situation. I am a DC fan and Rovers issues definitely don't stop at his door. However, it is also true that he is not putting an effective team on the field and his signings have self-evdently been ineffective. I rarely think sacking the manager is the way forward or a positive magic-bullet solution and I don't agree with some of the criticisms of what he says in the media (couldn't care less about that and all struggling seem to get that stick aimed at them) and his squad rotation approach (worked fine up to this point and is what nearly all clubs do now - it's the modern game). However, we are clearly a dysfunctional side and it can't carry on like that. I do think he is running out of time - all managers run out of road eventually not matter how talented. I just have very little faith that any replacement would do better - our history of managerial appointments is absolutely dire and we currently have owners who clearly have their eye off the ball.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Nov 30, 2018 15:32:31 GMT
Some very thoughtful and reasoned replies to my midnight post.
With manager disillusioned, four points adrift in relegation, squad much of a muchness (I still think it’s a bit short of pace and muscle), and box 1 awol, we are now a crisis club. From this position it may have appeared to have been for a while. But eternal optimism of the supporter sort of denies it long as we can.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 30, 2018 23:52:48 GMT
If you are on FB there is a very uplifting post from our U 18's 4-0 win over Newport.Manse in charge,came across very well and a future manager I have no doubt.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Dec 1, 2018 15:44:17 GMT
If you are on FB there is a very uplifting post from our U 18's 4-0 win over Newport.Manse in charge,came across very well and a future manager I have no doubt. He was looking forward to taking the team to Oxford United, who had been setting the pace. Update - RESULT: The U18s travelled to face league leaders @academyoufc this morning. Despite trailing 2-0 at half time, a spirited response saw the game finish 2-2 thanks to goals from Tom Mehew and Ollie Hulbert.
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