LincsBlue
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Post by LincsBlue on Sept 24, 2018 16:28:16 GMT
May I ask what plausible evidence do you have that the office in London is ‘burning money’, or is it just words on a screen to fit your agenda? Come on then you tell us what possible benefit to rovers is 250k spent on an office in central London. I don't believe even our near neighbours have one Does the 250k appear on our submitted accounts?? Or is it an office leased and paid for by JIB, that gets used for a small amount of BRFC business?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 16:32:21 GMT
Come on then you tell us what possible benefit to rovers is 250k spent on an office in central London. I don't believe even our near neighbours have one Does the 250k appear on our submitted accounts?? Or is it an office leased and paid for by JIB, that gets used for a small amount of BRFC business? From what I can gather it is leased by rovers for use of the family as per walls comments at the time saying all premiership clubs have office space in London therefore so should rovers.tenuous reasoning
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 17:13:56 GMT
Posters telling us were getting further behind bristol city and at the same time wanting to scrap the development squad and remove much needed family seating from the ground. You couldnt make it up could you?
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 24, 2018 17:40:23 GMT
Posters telling us were getting further behind bristol city and at the same time wanting to scrap the development squad and remove much needed family seating from the ground. You couldnt make it up could you? Not sure a Development Squad which DC appears to try and ignore plus a new tent is going to somehow propel us up to City's level! Wael or SH really needs to sit down with DC and explain to him the DS should be the stepping stone to 1st team football and not a seperate part of the club. I wonder if DC even has any input in the players Hargreaves signs?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 18:01:17 GMT
Posters telling us were getting further behind bristol city and at the same time wanting to scrap the development squad and remove much needed family seating from the ground. You couldnt make it up could you? Not sure a Development Squad which DC appears to try and ignore plus a new tent is going to somehow propel us up to City's level! Wael or SH really needs to sit down with DC and explain to him the DS should be the stepping stone to 1st team football and not a seperate part of the club. I wonder if DC even has any input in the players Hargreaves signs? Every development game ive been to dc has been there and at 2 of the games discussed the different players with me after i asked him a couple of questions. Last season was the first season for the development squad and its unfair to judge it a failure or a success at the moment. Dc needs to pick who he believes are his best players and i very much doubt he would take any notice of amateurs like wael/hamer on advice about team selection. You want to scrap it[backward step for BRFC] or force the manager to pick the players[absurd] but i believe we will reap the benefits of the development squad in the near future.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 24, 2018 18:44:15 GMT
My favourite line of the thread.
"I just don't get why people are "Embarrassed". It must be a sign of low self-esteem or some sort of inferiority complex about our better off neighbours"
Yes, you may have a point there!!
I keep looking at the photo and thinking that we are so lucky to have such investors as the AlQs, who are prepared to push the boat out. A symbol of intent? More like a proverbial piss-take.
Of course, it is "temporary" and "adds 171 seats" taking away existing capacity. That makes it justifiable, in the context of Gorringe (the fall guy) having to find a mug company to sponsor it and zero investment to make it happen from the owners who were declared in the week as 15th richest in EFL.
What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies.
This "stand" is SYMBOLIC - appropriately labelled as the Waq Shack. The fact that he deemed it acceptable terrifies me (where is his self-esteem?), but this episode has proved beyond doubt that he does not have the funds to do anything.
I did not worry one jot about the London Office until now. But it's all relative and makes this feel like an insult.
South Stand, South West Stand and now this monstrosity. Even "temporary" surely offers something bigger and better than what has been served up by Project Evolution?
We are going to be at Men for at least 3 years - his words nor mine. So please build / erect something that looks that they have some pride.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 24, 2018 18:57:54 GMT
Only this place would have a whole thread on embarrassing erections..
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Post by The Concept on Sept 24, 2018 19:14:58 GMT
Well for the first time since I have been following the club, someone is talking about spending money to increase turnover and make a return on investment. I guess if demand for seats outstrips supply and this gets another couple of hundred seats in, then it's sensible investment. So to answer Willy's question: yes it will increase turnover and therefore the playing budget. Not by much, but add that to the refurbished bars then maybe it all adds up. What is more important is that someone at the club is thinking in the right way. It does look terrible, I give you that. The big question would be would spending £5M on a stand stop the club losing close to £2M a year and is that worth it? Not strictly true it will not increase capacity because for every 1 seat your installation you lose 2.3 standing places so the 300 or so seats havery cost 690 standing places in capacity.how is that increasing turnover especially as those standing were mainly adults where's a 50% of those seated are youngstersso in effect 690 at 15 pounds app 10.000 whereas 300 at perhaps 20 for 2 is 300k so a net loss of up to 7000 690 standing places? In that small section of terracing?? There are 176 seats in the Family Stand. So, going by your figures, 176 x 2.3 = 404.8. Personally I would have said 300-350, for the standing capacity on that footprint.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 19:59:23 GMT
My favourite line of the thread. "I just don't get why people are "Embarrassed". It must be a sign of low self-esteem or some sort of inferiority complex about our better off neighbours" Yes, you may have a point there!! I keep looking at the photo and thinking that we are so lucky to have such investors as the AlQs, who are prepared to push the boat out. A symbol of intent? More like a proverbial piss-take. Of course, it is "temporary" and "adds 171 seats" taking away existing capacity. That makes it justifiable, in the context of Gorringe (the fall guy) having to find a mug company to sponsor it and zero investment to make it happen from the owners who were declared in the week as 15th richest in EFL. What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies. This "stand" is SYMBOLIC - appropriately labelled as the Waq Shack. The fact that he deemed it acceptable terrifies me (where is his self-esteem?), but this episode has proved beyond doubt that he does not have the funds to do anything. I did not worry one jot about the London Office until now. But it's all relative and makes this feel like an insult. South Stand, South West Stand and now this monstrosity. Even "temporary" surely offers something bigger and better than what has been served up by Project Evolution? We are going to be at Men for at least 3 years - his words nor mine. So please build / erect something that looks that they have some pride. 250k on a London Office, 50p on a stand to house families that makes us look a laughing stock. Gotta get your priorities right...
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 24, 2018 20:03:09 GMT
My favourite line of the thread. "I just don't get why people are "Embarrassed". It must be a sign of low self-esteem or some sort of inferiority complex about our better off neighbours" Yes, you may have a point there!! I keep looking at the photo and thinking that we are so lucky to have such investors as the AlQs, who are prepared to push the boat out. A symbol of intent? More like a proverbial piss-take. Of course, it is "temporary" and "adds 171 seats" taking away existing capacity. That makes it justifiable, in the context of Gorringe (the fall guy) having to find a mug company to sponsor it and zero investment to make it happen from the owners who were declared in the week as 15th richest in EFL. What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies. This "stand" is SYMBOLIC - appropriately labelled as the Waq Shack. The fact that he deemed it acceptable terrifies me (where is his self-esteem?), but this episode has proved beyond doubt that he does not have the funds to do anything. I did not worry one jot about the London Office until now. But it's all relative and makes this feel like an insult. South Stand, South West Stand and now this monstrosity. Even "temporary" surely offers something bigger and better than what has been served up by Project Evolution? We are going to be at Men for at least 3 years - his words nor mine. So please build / erect something that looks that they have some pride. vaughan, whether this will deflate your self-righteous non-sense, I don't know. But it might be worth reading the thoughts of someone who actually sat in the Family stand on Saturday: Sept 24, 2018 18:16:36 GMT 1 bs20pirate said: Hi all Newbie here but have been reading Gas chat for a while now. Just thought I would add my two pennies worth regards the new family stand as I and a mate of mine plus our kids have purchased season tickets in the stand. Yes I agree it’s not the best looking and it’s given my city mates even more amunition to wind us up but as for Match day experience for us as parents and the kids it was bloody brilliant! The view was great and the kids can’t wait to go to the next home game which is what it’s all about really.. We have been in the Southwest and Southstand for the last few seasons but they come nowhere near the experience we had on Saturday. I have never heard the kids get so involved with the singing! ( Big thanks to the Thanchers end for starting things off) We even managed to get a couple of pints indoors in the new east stand bar before the game which we have never managed before as the new Thatchers bar is always rammed.. I firmly believe this is temporary for a reason and if the club has built this stand just as a temporary measure to attract more families until something more permanent is announced then we are more than happy to sit in it. I don’t give a Toss what the city lads are saying and I should be the one who is worrying the most as I have paid to sit in the stand. As far as we are concerned the mem is looking the best it has ever looked and the club trying to attract younger fans is the way forward as they are the future of our club. I Agree it would better if it was nearer the east stand but before any petitions are started how about getting the views of the people who are sat in the stand 1st. UTG 🔵⚪️🔵⚪️
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Post by swissgas on Sept 24, 2018 20:10:03 GMT
What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies. I do admire you for being willing to stick your head above the parapet Vaughan. Is the "rag-ass" way of life really in our DNA or is it just that, when it comes to Rovers, most fans are past caring ?
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Post by Curly Wurly on Sept 24, 2018 20:35:33 GMT
What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies. I do admire you for being willing to stick your head above the parapet Vaughan. Is the "rag-ass" way of life really in our DNA or is it just that, when it comes to Rovers, most fans are past caring ? I couldn't disagree more. On all points.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 24, 2018 21:01:39 GMT
Posters telling us were getting further behind bristol city and at the same time wanting to scrap the development squad and remove much needed family seating from the ground. You couldnt make it up could you? Not sure a Development Squad which DC appears to try and ignore plus a new tent is going to somehow propel us up to City's level! Wael or SH really needs to sit down with DC and explain to him the DS should be the stepping stone to 1st team football and not a seperate part of the club. I wonder if DC even has any input in the players Hargreaves signs? "No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little." - Edmund Burke
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Post by swissgas on Sept 24, 2018 21:06:03 GMT
I do admire you for being willing to stick your head above the parapet Vaughan. Is the "rag-ass" way of life really in our DNA or is it just that, when it comes to Rovers, most fans are past caring ? I couldn't disagree more. On all points. It is certainly a matter of opinion. If I owned a football club and could not afford to do better than that family stand then for my own dignity's sake I should try to find a way out as soon as possible. But I quite accept that there are people to whom it doesn't matter and who are happy to maintain their own premier league lifestyle whilst their business languishes in the fourth division.
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LincsBlue
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Post by LincsBlue on Sept 24, 2018 21:39:57 GMT
4th?? Are we not 3rd?
Or am I taling that statement too literally?
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Post by vaughan on Sept 24, 2018 22:08:35 GMT
Swiss
Your words sum up it beautifully.
I actually used to like the demeanour of Wael and Gorringe is trying to make a purse out of a sow's ear.
But I am seeing Wael as a football fantasist being kept at arm's length by his own family.
The reality is my thoughts on the subject count for nothing. Listen to the interviews of DC since the collapse of UWE and it is obvious that lack of infrastructure is killing the morale of the man that does matter.
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Post by mentors on Sept 25, 2018 8:15:16 GMT
People on here getting high and going way over the top by hammering the "new stand". Like i said its better than we had before so thats good right? Also posters going off topic with total guesswork regarding what the owners will do if the debts exceed the value of the clubs assets. Nobody knows do they? What have all the other clubs owners done in the same situation? I mean virtually every club loses money dont they? What do the other clubs do when their debts exceed the assets? Rank Amateurs guessing what will happen is all part of the forum way i suppose all over the country. The difference between asset value and purchase price in any takeover is referred to as "goodwill" and it is characteristic of any such transaction.
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Post by Igitur on Sept 25, 2018 8:21:33 GMT
What the hell was I expecting? It's always been Rag-ass Rovers. It's in our DNA. We should market it to the outside world, as it could be a selling point like the Crazy Gang. Internal sceptics can be dismissed as moaning minnies. I do admire you for being willing to stick your head above the parapet Vaughan. Is the "rag-ass" way of life really in our DNA or is it just that, when it comes to Rovers, most fans are past caring ? Perhaps 'rag-ass' is too strong, but it is certainly true to say that most supporters accept the hotchpotch nature of the ground (and the club), and are not beyond caring, although some are getting that way, but it is not in their nature to complain as they support the club no matter what.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 9:01:09 GMT
I have to say I thought it was going to be erected on the flat area with the terracing below left available. It wouldn’t be so bad if it filled the whole area. The description ‘ Carbuncle ‘ springs to mind. I’m with Vaughan on this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 11:50:34 GMT
Not strictly true it will not increase capacity because for every 1 seat your installation you lose 2.3 standing places so the 300 or so seats havery cost 690 standing places in capacity.how is that increasing turnover especially as those standing were mainly adults where's a 50% of those seated are youngstersso in effect 690 at 15 pounds app 10.000 whereas 300 at perhaps 20 for 2 is 300k so a net loss of up to 7000 690 standing places? In that small section of terracing?? There are 176 seats in the Family Stand. So, going by your figures, 176 x 2.3 = 404.8. Personally I would have said 300-350, for the standing capacity on that footprint. [br I was working on the figure quoted of 300 seats but the equation of 2.3 to 1 still applies
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