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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 0:21:38 GMT
Ken Loach has significant profile We cant use ken loach at rovers,too left wing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 0:41:02 GMT
Ken Loach has significant profile We cant use ken loach at rovers,too left wing. Or just a truth sayer?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 0:46:23 GMT
By shafting all of the local businesses who made the mistake of trusting them. I would like to think that we were better than that.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jan 28, 2018 7:06:59 GMT
We cant use ken loach at rovers,too left wing. Or just a truth sayer? The old left wing, sure, not the modern PC snowflakes.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 28, 2018 9:43:58 GMT
Ken Loach has significant profile We cant use ken loach at rovers,too left wing. He's probably better on left wing than Moore!
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Post by Blue Mist on Jan 28, 2018 10:00:42 GMT
The unthinkable to me is reaching the playoffs and giving our current/potentially new owners really something to think about.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 28, 2018 10:49:39 GMT
We should never 'chose' to bankrupt the Club. It is unethical and screws local businesses. We should never stoop to what the sh*t did in 1982. We remain on the moral high ground in Bristol and it's always good look down on that lot south of the river for their disgusting behaviour. BRFC has been around for 135 years. The sh*t have no history. However - you raise a valid point. Dwane Sports could sell the Mememorial Stadium and effectively leave BRFC debt-free and homeless. Even I don't think this will happen. I am pretty damn sure that the Bankers who own our Club are well aware of the option. OK - Dwane Sports cut and run. A chance for fan ownership? (Vaughan has some ideas on this). At this point - pretty sure we would slide down the leagues. We would have to rent somewhere to play. Obviously this is the (unlikely) nightmare scenario. But - Does it kill the Club? Nope. We become 'like' a phoenix Club... a chance to start again with a clean sheet. Could a Club ever recover from this? Well there are plenty of examples of this happening - Wimbledon being the best. And remember they have a far smaller support base than us. As long as I have a team to support in north Bristol who play in blue & white quarters and have a proud history going back to 1883 - I can live with that. The UWE was the big one that got away. It was a chance for us to establish ourselves in a higher division. Maybe the UWE numbers never stacked up, we'll never know. UTG.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Jan 29, 2018 8:24:11 GMT
We should never 'chose' to bankrupt the Club. It is unethical and screws local businesses. We should never stoop to what the sh*t did in 1982. We remain on the moral high ground in Bristol and it's always good look down on that lot south of the river for their disgusting behaviour. BRFC has been around for 135 years. The sh*t have no history. However - you raise a valid point. Dwane Sports could sell the Mememorial Stadium and effectively leave BRFC debt-free and homeless. Even I don't think this will happen. I am pretty damn sure that the Bankers who own our Club are well aware of the option. OK - Dwane Sports cut and run. A chance for fan ownership? (Vaughan has some ideas on this). At this point - pretty sure we would slide down the leagues. We would have to rent somewhere to play. Obviously this is the (unlikely) nightmare scenario. But - Does it kill the Club? Nope. We become 'like' a phoenix Club... a chance to start again with a clean sheet. Could a Club ever recover from this? Well there are plenty of examples of this happening - Wimbledon being the best. And remember they have a far smaller support base than us. As long as I have a team to support in north Bristol who play in blue & white quarters and have a proud history going back to 1883 - I can live with that. The UWE was the big one that got away. It was a chance for us to establish ourselves in a higher division. Maybe the UWE numbers never stacked up, we'll never know. UTG. Fan ownership worries me. Do I have the means to invest a few thousand - yes. Would I? Absolutely not. I’d never make a bean back and would rather have it in my ISA. Football is a black hole of money. I’d even think twice about loaning the club money let alone giving it equity.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 29, 2018 8:49:38 GMT
We should never 'chose' to bankrupt the Club. It is unethical and screws local businesses. We should never stoop to what the sh*t did in 1982. We remain on the moral high ground in Bristol and it's always good look down on that lot south of the river for their disgusting behaviour. BRFC has been around for 135 years. The sh*t have no history. However - you raise a valid point. Dwane Sports could sell the Mememorial Stadium and effectively leave BRFC debt-free and homeless. Even I don't think this will happen. I am pretty damn sure that the Bankers who own our Club are well aware of the option. OK - Dwane Sports cut and run. A chance for fan ownership? (Vaughan has some ideas on this). At this point - pretty sure we would slide down the leagues. We would have to rent somewhere to play. Obviously this is the (unlikely) nightmare scenario. But - Does it kill the Club? Nope. We become 'like' a phoenix Club... a chance to start again with a clean sheet. Could a Club ever recover from this? Well there are plenty of examples of this happening - Wimbledon being the best. And remember they have a far smaller support base than us. As long as I have a team to support in north Bristol who play in blue & white quarters and have a proud history going back to 1883 - I can live with that. The UWE was the big one that got away. It was a chance for us to establish ourselves in a higher division. Maybe the UWE numbers never stacked up, we'll never know. UTG. Fan ownership worries me. Do I have the means to invest a few thousand - yes. Would I? Absolutely not. I’d never make a bean back and would rather have it in my ISA. Football is a black hole of money. I’d even think twice about loaning the club money let alone giving it equity. football finance is insane. There was some recent figures on % of turnover that Championships clubs were spending on players wages. ranging from 70% to %120+
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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 29, 2018 9:35:39 GMT
Fan ownership worries me. Do I have the means to invest a few thousand - yes. Would I? Absolutely not. I’d never make a bean back and would rather have it in my ISA. Football is a black hole of money. I’d even think twice about loaning the club money let alone giving it equity. football finance is insane. There was some recent figures on % of turnover that Championships clubs were spending on players wages. ranging from 70% to %120+
Makes it rather tricky for a club with no infrastructure to live within its limited means and grow organically while simultaneously making the owners a return on their "investment". I'm sure they've got it covered.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 29, 2018 9:36:07 GMT
Options would appear to be: 1. Benevolent owners that are prepared to right off around £500k-£2mil a year. Lots of Clubs in the lower leagues adopt this model and I would conclude they are all basket cases. 2. Brilliant owners take over the Club, get a deal with the UWE, build a new stadium and potentially have some kind of return on their investment. 3. Fan-ownership. It is an option. Lots of different forms of this. Examples - Wimbledon, Exeter, Wycombe, Newport, Wrexham, and fair few north of the border. Would be interesting to see if these Clubs are effectively debt free. As you say above - can't see many people investing in ownership if effectively they never get their money back. And I can't see fans bailing out the Club on an annual basis. But owning equity in the Club would be attractive for some (and I'm sure there would be other benefits). It can work. Barcelona and Real Madrid seem to be ticking over nicely. Oh - I forgot, 4. Owners who don't do adequate due diligence and then find themselves in the embarrassing situation of having massively over-promised and consequently under-delivered.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 29, 2018 10:12:42 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker?
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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 29, 2018 10:21:18 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker? Because it may have been the opportunity of a lifetime and the suspicion persists that it fell through not because it was a terrible deal for the long term but didn't give the required short to medium term financial return to our owners.
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Post by fanatical on Jan 29, 2018 10:37:52 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker? Because it may have been the opportunity of a lifetime and the suspicion persists that it fell through not because it was a terrible deal for the long term but didn't give the required short to medium term financial return to our owners. maybe if UWE had not greedy when they heard people mention 'billionaires'.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 29, 2018 10:38:26 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker? Because it is bleeding obvious that the UWE still think there is something to discuss. (I am aware that the current planning consent is about to expire. That does not stop any future initiative). Steve West, Vice-Chancellor at UWE Bristol, said: "UWE Bristol has not given up on this hugely important project. We have been and remain committed to delivering a new stadium and were disappointed to hear from Dwane Sports that they wish to bring negotiations over the proposed stadium at UWE Bristol to a close. We have always wanted the stadium project as part of our vision for the University and wider Bristol community masterplan for the Frenchay Campus. We still believe it would bring great benefits to the University, local community and the regional economy".
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 29, 2018 10:42:30 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker? Because it is bleeding obvious that the UWE still think there is something to discuss. (I am aware that the current planning consent is about to expire. That does not stop any future initiative). Steve West, Vice-Chancellor at UWE Bristol, said: "UWE Bristol has not given up on this hugely important project. We have been and remain committed to delivering a new stadium and were disappointed to hear from Dwane Sports that they wish to bring negotiations over the proposed stadium at UWE Bristol to a close. We have always wanted the stadium project as part of our vision for the University and wider Bristol community masterplan for the Frenchay Campus. We still believe it would bring great benefits to the University, local community and the regional economy". If UWE still want it, then of course there is something for them to discuss as they a) need someone to build it and b) someone to use it Have UWE ever re-approached Rovers? Or did they just ‘leave the door open’ in a multi-million pound game of chicken?
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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 29, 2018 10:43:45 GMT
Because it may have been the opportunity of a lifetime and the suspicion persists that it fell through not because it was a terrible deal for the long term but didn't give the required short to medium term financial return to our owners. maybe if UWE had not greedy when they heard people mention 'billionaires'. If only they'd gone to Jordan...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 10:53:25 GMT
Because it may have been the opportunity of a lifetime and the suspicion persists that it fell through not because it was a terrible deal for the long term but didn't give the required short to medium term financial return to our owners. maybe if UWE had not greedy when they heard people mention 'billionaires'. How stupid do you think the people deciding the negotiating strategy on behalf of UWE are? They can see the business interests of the family and how much money they are making. Hang in there, this goes a bit round the houses, but it does go somewhere. You would know this, who are easier to negotiate with, wealthy people or people who are not so wealthy? I'm a nobody, certainly not a billionaire and never will be, but I know how difficult very wealthy people are to negotiate with, so it's fair to assume that the people putting together the terms that UWE wanted met will know this also, so even if they didn't bother checking where our owners are financially they wouldn't have expected them to arrive in a fleet of gold plated Rolls Royces towing trailers full of cash and dump it in the car parks as a welcoming gift to smooth negotiations. Your argument is self defeating.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 29, 2018 10:53:50 GMT
Why is it so bleeding hard for some people to accept the fact that UWE is dead, kaput, bereft of life, gone to meet its maker? Because it may have been the opportunity of a lifetime and the suspicion persists that it fell through not because it was a terrible deal for the long term but didn't give the required short to medium term financial return to our owners. An alternative view is that the deal offered by UWE and accepted by the previous board was little better than the terms we had at Eastville. To not be able to generate income from the stadium on a weekday would surely render the scheme null and void. Unfortunately we need to deal in reality, not ‘Field Of Dreams’
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 10:59:06 GMT
maybe if UWE had not greedy when they heard people mention 'billionaires'. If only they'd gone to Jordan... She's rich but I don't know why she'd need a stadium.
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