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Post by stevek192 on Nov 18, 2017 23:23:03 GMT
A half hearted report this week which matches the entertainment or lack of it that was dished up. Last week I missed my first game for a few years and all I can say tonight is that I wished I'd have stayed on holiday a few more days such was the crap that was dished up by a team who honestly now look like they have met for the first time and my main question would be "What on earth do they do in training"?.
the first important thing to say is that this like Notts County, Swindon,West Ham under23s and most of the teams we have played this season was a rank average League 1 team that we gave the freedom of the park with a mix of no understanding, individual mistakes , a system that nobody appears to know what their part is and a team that seems intent on passing sideways and back where each pass puts the team in more trouble. the front players come back so far to try to get the ball and then the bloody keeper spends the entire game hoofing the ball up to the opposition.
I despair where our next point will come from and we are a CLUB that looks in total downfall with no leadership either on the field or off it. We are a total shambles and it is about time that the "nicey nicey" owner provides some leadership and tells us what the bloody hell is happening to our club. I wish I could say that DC will get it right - I thought he would but I now have total doubt as to whether he has the ability to put it right- I certainly have little faith that he is capable of making the sort of signings we need in January unless he receives help from an experienced person who has the knowledge of quality players and probably the charisma needed to persuade them to come.
Smith 5 Some good saves but no command of six yard box and nearly gave away another calamity when dropping a simple ball
Leadbitter 5 Attacking wise did well but went missing on at least two goals- needs to get defending right FIRST
Lockyer 2 Welsh international-my ass.
Broadbent 3 Too many mistakes but not helped b y more experienced players- at least he can pass a ball
Brown 3 Great goal but another who needs to get defending right as priority
Sinclair 2 Most over rated player in the squad,perhaps put his head on the other way and he might make a forward pass
O Clarke 1 Was he out there today? A long rest needed
Lines 3 We don't need a player playing right in front of a back four who all seem to play more forward than him- must be DC awful tactics
Sercombe 6 The best midfielder but lost out wide.
Harrison 6 Runs about but has to run everywhere to get the ball and then we have no striker at all
Harrison 6 Runs about but has to run everywhere to get the ball and then we have no striker at all
Nichols 3 There's a player in there but totally lost as is our forward line in general
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Sweeney 6 better than what he replaced but the damage had already been done
Bodin 6 Obviously lacking match fitness but skill is always there
Gaffney 6 Why can't DC just stick with him for a few games and tell him he is a centre forward
Crowd 3 Can we really be blamed when such pathetic performances are now becoming the norm.
Ref 6 Ok
Dons 7 Another rank average team that make us look stupid
Dc 1 has now changed so much that he doesn't know where to start. He has provided us with a lightweight team that EVERY team we play can now dominate us all over the pitch. He must select a team and stick with it till January barring injuries and leave out some of his obvious favourites.
I have no magic answer to our problems other than picking a team and saying to them that if they perform well they will keep their places for at least 5 games. We need the back four to earn their money as DEFENDERS and push up with Sweeney organising to ensure defenders are marking opponents. We must work on pressurising from the front and the discipline must be concentrated on imposing OUR game on the opposition rather than the present which allows the opposition to impose itself on us home or away!
Team
Slocombe
Leadbitter
Sweeney
Broadbent
Bola
Bodin
Sercombe (Captain)
Lines
Harrison
Gaffney
Nicholls
Unless I witness a great improvement at Blackburn next week than I won't be attending many more away games as at present it is a waste of time and money. UTG
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Post by Igitur on Nov 18, 2017 23:31:55 GMT
Wot, no MOTM!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 23:35:06 GMT
The worst thing is that whilst the team were getting a lesson in basic football tactics and work ethic for the first 45 mins our manager was nowhere to be seen, Marcus was on his feet trying to sort it, but where was the man whose job it is to deal with it?
Then when there was a break in play AFC players went to their manager for a word, not one single Rovers' player came over to speak to our manager.
That's not a happy camp.
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Post by PessimistGas on Nov 19, 2017 0:04:39 GMT
The worst thing is that whilst the team were getting a lesson in basic football tactics and work ethic for the first 45 mins our manager was nowhere to be seen, Marcus was on his feet trying to sort it, but where was the man whose job it is to deal with it? Then when there was a break in play AFC players went to their manager for a word, not one single Rovers' player came over to speak to our manager. That's not a happy camp. There is more at stake here than winning or losing a few football matches. Who really cares? Changing the manager isn't going to suddenly make everything ok. Seeing an a lot of anger directed at DC when our charming (but compulsive bulls**tter) owner gets off Scott free. |
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Post by dickgherkin on Nov 19, 2017 0:08:32 GMT
Confidence is low, so the League 2 level players in the team (about half of them) that have so far over-performed, are now underperforming, and we stink.
I don't think any of DC's big signings (Sercombe, Nichols, Smith) are the problem, and I don't think there was any lack of effort today: we kept going for the whole 90 minutes. In light of that effort, I think some of those ratings are ridiculously low. O'Toole or Hillier phoning it in is a 1, Alex Wall was a 2 - to give this team scores like that.... seems a bit OTT...
I understand the concerns over the owners (personally I feel the jury is still out) but the idea that DC is not by far the best option for us at the moment is, frankly, bonkers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 0:24:34 GMT
The worst thing is that whilst the team were getting a lesson in basic football tactics and work ethic for the first 45 mins our manager was nowhere to be seen, Marcus was on his feet trying to sort it, but where was the man whose job it is to deal with it? Then when there was a break in play AFC players went to their manager for a word, not one single Rovers' player came over to speak to our manager. That's not a happy camp. There is more at stake here than winning or losing a few football matches. Who really cares? Changing the manager isn't going to suddenly make everything ok. Seeing an a lot of anger directed at DC when our charming (but compulsive bulls***ter) owner gets off Scott free. Hey, I didn't lay all of the blame on the manager. I totally agree, when the manager feels he's driven to publicly say what we are all thinking about the owners and their ''investment'' strategy, it's going to destabilise the team. But was he right to say that stuff? Yes, he was. This needs bringing to a head, Rovers isn't a toy that you can make money out of, we don't buy our tickets, warm flat coke, programes that nobody reads, pasties for twice the price that they are in shops outside of the ground, scolding hot dishwater sold as an excuse for coffee etc etc so that Wael and his family can pocket half a million quid a year, we do it so that the money goes into the club. Wael and Hani can either grasp that or go watch some World Cup and Chelsea matches instead. This is why we have some bloke from the Army and Conference standard keepers, and why we have to keep plugging away and just hoping that something is going to click with Nichols. Give the manager another half a million quid and it would look quite different. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 1:02:11 GMT
The report is just what you expect it to be for a frustrated fan but i think lack of confidence is a big factor right now and its a shame you didnt mention that in your report.
Ref "you have no magic answer to our problems" well none of us do because were just fans on a forum giving opinions so dont worry we all know you dont have the answer to our problems.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 19, 2017 7:17:03 GMT
Blaming the owner is a real cop out. He doesn't pick the team or the tactics (whatever they are. Does anybody know?). He's a manager, not a player or a fan, and he should act like one by standing aloof from all the s*** stirring bulls*** going on in the background, not use it to cover his own failings. Winning back-to-back promotions doesn't make you untouchable. He's still on a very steep learning curve. How he handles his first real setback will determine how he progresses as a manager. He's not the finished article by a long stretch, in fact at the moment it looks like the club has taken him as far as it can and he's regressing. He needs to step up and take charge of the situation, stabilise things and start planning for the January window.
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Post by stewy2016 on Nov 19, 2017 8:06:46 GMT
Blaming the owner is a real cop out. He doesn't pick the team or the tactics (whatever they are. Does anybody know?). He's a manager, not a player or a fan, and he should act like one by standing aloof from all the s*** stirring bulls*** going on in the background, not use it to cover his own failings. Winning back-to-back promotions doesn't make you untouchable. He's still on a very steep learning curve. How he handles his first real setback will determine how he progresses as a manager. He's not the finished article by a long stretch, in fact at the moment it looks like the club has taken him as far as it can and he's regressing. He needs to step up and take charge of the situation, stabilise things and start planning for the January window. |
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Post by stewy2016 on Nov 19, 2017 8:15:46 GMT
I don't post on here much but I think I said a few words,end of last season I said when steve yates leaves we will be in the s**t if no eles replaces him because Marcus Stewart is 100 percent not the for this role,as yates would of been going mental on side lines to get them going and even no DC pick the team every team needs a no2 to direct the team on the pitch and as for tom lockyer is not a leader to quite and for what I heard after the game by a player he says nothing on or off the picth,we need a macca or mansell,don't think we need to many players in Jan apart from a decent winger.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 19, 2017 8:38:08 GMT
The worst thing is that whilst the team were getting a lesson in basic football tactics and work ethic for the first 45 mins our manager was nowhere to be seen, Marcus was on his feet trying to sort it, but where was the man whose job it is to deal with it? Then when there was a break in play AFC players went to their manager for a word, not one single Rovers' player came over to speak to our manager. That's not a happy camp. There is more at stake here than winning or losing a few football matches. Who really cares? Changing the manager isn't going to suddenly make everything ok. Seeing an a lot of anger directed at DC when our charming (but compulsive bulls***ter) owner gets off Scott free. Where were you when Higgs and Watola were running the club into the ground? This rank hypocrisy of blaming the current owners for 30 plus years of off field stagnation absolutely boils my urine. At least some of us had the guts to question the Fat Controller and his predecessors. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 19, 2017 9:10:52 GMT
Thankyou for your thoughts, Steve.....missed your report.
That's pretty much how I saw it.
Our player of the season (amongst others) don't become poor overnight, so I agree with others there is a problem behind the scenes. Hopefully it's not beyond fixing, hopefully it can be fixed soon.
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 19, 2017 9:18:05 GMT
Don't think picking 4 central mid payers help.
Not sure any knew their role fully which may have contributed to first two goals.
Why we ended up with Harrison playing wide left when chasing the game, no idea.
Think many have Broadbent on too high a pedestal, while composed on ball he makes mistakes. More to blame for all 3 goals than Leads.
Teams press us high up the pitch knowing we have nothing wide as an out ball.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 19, 2017 9:27:54 GMT
There is more at stake here than winning or losing a few football matches. Who really cares? Changing the manager isn't going to suddenly make everything ok. Seeing an a lot of anger directed at DC when our charming (but compulsive bulls***ter) owner gets off Scott free. Hey, I didn't lay all of the blame on the manager. I totally agree, when the manager feels he's driven to publicly say what we are all thinking about the owners and their ''investment'' strategy, it's going to destabilise the team. But was he right to say that stuff? Yes, he was. This needs bringing to a head, Rovers isn't a toy that you can make money out of, we don't buy our tickets, warm flat coke, programes that nobody reads, pasties for twice the price that they are in shops outside of the ground, scolding hot dishwater sold as an excuse for coffee etc etc so that Wael and his family can pocket half a million quid a year, we do it so that the money goes into the club. Wael and Hani can either grasp that or go watch some World Cup and Chelsea matches instead. This is why we have some bloke from the Army and Conference standard keepers, and why we have to keep plugging away and just hoping that something is going to click with Nichols. Give the manager another half a million quid and it would look quite different. Come on the keepers are better than conference standard and having a dig for bringing in Broadbent is a bit of a low blow There are plenty of things wrong at this point in time but lets be fair, those 3 are from being part of the problem |
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 19, 2017 9:30:04 GMT
Don't think picking 4 central mid payers help. Not sure any knew their role fully which may have contributed to first two goals. Why we ended up with Harrison playing wide left when chasing the game, no idea. Think many have Broadbent on too high a pedestal, while composed on ball he makes mistakes. More to blame for all 3 goals than Leads. Teams press us high up the pitch knowing we have nothing wide as an out ball. Broadbent is still young in terms of experience and perhaps people are expecting too much from him. I still dont get taking him off for Sweeney even if he was at fault, becUse what did Sweeney add to the team when Wimbledon were just sitting back and protecting what they had |
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Post by Igitur on Nov 19, 2017 10:10:24 GMT
There is more at stake here than winning or losing a few football matches. Who really cares? Changing the manager isn't going to suddenly make everything ok. Seeing an a lot of anger directed at DC when our charming (but compulsive bulls***ter) owner gets off Scott free. Where were you when Higgs and Watola were running the club into the ground? This rank hypocrisy of blaming the current owners for 30 plus years of off field stagnation absolutely boils my urine. At least some of us had the guts to question the Fat Controller and his predecessors. When NH appeared in the Bristol Room for a pre-game proper Q&A, around the time of a baffling midnight transfer, there was only one dissenting voice and it passed off comparatively amiably. The SC's Q&A, with its sanitised questions in advance, session(s) were, in the end, rather pointless. Wael turns up in the Supporters Bar and the Arsenal game, traffic on the A38 and "I had a few last night" conversations continued and the questioning again was quite friendly - but there was a chance to ask pertinent questions. We've been here before so many times; BRISA, the Welly 3, talk of a trust... all came to nothing. What's going on is not the fault of the fans and it's no good turning on ourselves. Yesterday Wael said he recognised there were rumours, but it's down to the board and the so called PR dept to do something. The fans? well there was some booing and then we trooped off for a post-match pint, get Xmas pressies or Blackburn tickets from the shop... I'll be there next week, the people who blocked Gloucester Road with Wael carried on shoulders may be melting away, but spells such as we are going through come and go. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 19, 2017 10:38:38 GMT
Need some quality Jan signings of the like of Alex Rodman Shrewsbury, Graham Carey Plymouth, John Goddard Swindon, Martin Samuelson West Ham and Christian Doidge Forest Green.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 19, 2017 10:42:13 GMT
Need some quality Jan signings of the like of Alex Rodman Shrewsbury, Graham Carey Plymouth, John Goddard Swindon, Martin Samuelson West Ham and Christian Doidge Forest Green. Yeah but either a) we have no money B) we dont want to spend any C) both of those D) we dont know who will be in charge of all this |
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Post by basel on Nov 19, 2017 11:06:25 GMT
Clearly confidence is shot.Rovers were rubbish in this game and have been poor for a while.I hope DC and MS can get enough out of this squad to make sure we stay in this division.
We could do with a tough central midfielder.This may help our struggling CHs too.
A new lb.Brown is struggling (nice goal, but defensively not great)
A left sided midfielder/winger,one who can tackle.Stuart Sinclair is not a left midfielder/winger.
An on field leader would be nice.Tom is a decent player, but imo no Captain.We don`t have a leader, not one i can see.
Chris Lines i suspect won`t be at Rovers next season, not if the owner supports DC in the market.Chris struggles in the midfield battle.
Matty Taylor has not been successfully replaced, although Nichols may come on.
The current squad is not good enough.DC will work them, school them in football but time may not be on Rovers side.
Four decent new players could make a huge change, if it`s possible to sign them.
Right now i`ll take a season where the manager finds the players he should keep and the ones who are better off somewhere else.A 5 from bottom finish will do and go again next time.A tough season this time, will help the players who stay next season.All football clubs must rise to the challenge we find ourselves in right now.Part of the game.
DC has said it a few times now, he is frustrated by the off field running at Rovers.Ar`nt we all!
I don`t know what`s going on, but training ground, stadium,money to compete at top of third tier?
What`s going on?
A thorough bloody disappointment!
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Post by gasheadpirate on Nov 19, 2017 11:25:15 GMT
Positives from yesterday: I had a nice pie and pint.
Negatives: Everything about the match. Team shot of confidence, looked like strangers, so many basic mistakes, lack of organisation, little move,ent off the ball to create passing opportunities which meant playershad pass sideways or backwards and putting players under unnecessary pressure, creating so few chances and looking so poor against a team in the relegation zone.
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