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Post by crater on Nov 19, 2017 13:05:48 GMT
All went wrong from the moment the bugler played a few bum notes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:51:48 GMT
Hey, I didn't lay all of the blame on the manager. I totally agree, when the manager feels he's driven to publicly say what we are all thinking about the owners and their ''investment'' strategy, it's going to destabilise the team. But was he right to say that stuff? Yes, he was. This needs bringing to a head, Rovers isn't a toy that you can make money out of, we don't buy our tickets, warm flat coke, programes that nobody reads, pasties for twice the price that they are in shops outside of the ground, scolding hot dishwater sold as an excuse for coffee etc etc so that Wael and his family can pocket half a million quid a year, we do it so that the money goes into the club. Wael and Hani can either grasp that or go watch some World Cup and Chelsea matches instead. This is why we have some bloke from the Army and Conference standard keepers, and why we have to keep plugging away and just hoping that something is going to click with Nichols. Give the manager another half a million quid and it would look quite different. Come on the keepers are better than conference standard and having a dig for bringing in Broadbent is a bit of a low blow There are plenty of things wrong at this point in time but lets be fair, those 3 are from being part of the problem The keepers are making basic mistakes in every game. Did you see that spill against Swindon? You would get laughed at in a park game for that, then yesterday the ball was dropped at the feet of at attacker, was it Oldham, 3 softish shots on target, 3 goals, that's not L1 keeping. We would be going nuts about it if the rest of the defence was performing, it's only because of other problems that the keeper situation isn't being talked about so much. Broadbent, it wasn't a criticism of the player as such, more that we are in a position where we are dependent on him, it shouldn't be that way, he should be eased in to a settled defence rather than being chucked in to a shambles in the hope that he'll sort it out.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 19, 2017 14:30:11 GMT
Come on the keepers are better than conference standard and having a dig for bringing in Broadbent is a bit of a low blow There are plenty of things wrong at this point in time but lets be fair, those 3 are from being part of the problem The keepers are making basic mistakes in every game. Did you see that spill against Swindon? You would get laughed at in a park game for that, then yesterday the ball was dropped at the feet of at attacker, was it Oldham, 3 softish shots on target, 3 goals, that's not L1 keeping. We would be going nuts about it if the rest of the defence was performing, it's only because of other problems that the keeper situation isn't being talked about so much. Broadbent, it wasn't a criticism of the player as such, more that we are in a position where we are dependent on him, it shouldn't be that way, he should be eased in to a settled defence rather than being chucked in to a shambles in the hope that he'll sort it out. Broadbent did not do too well on the first goal, but to be subbed by an out of form CH when attack was needed, I wonder. Browner did not do too well on the second goal, thank God he scored. Lockyer got in a muddle for the third route one keeper's kick... Individual costly errors, but so were the Wombles' easiest of easy open goal misses, football's a funny ol' game. What must Gaffney think with Nichols starting ahead of him, apart from at least I've got a job?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 14:41:02 GMT
The keepers are making basic mistakes in every game. Did you see that spill against Swindon? You would get laughed at in a park game for that, then yesterday the ball was dropped at the feet of at attacker, was it Oldham, 3 softish shots on target, 3 goals, that's not L1 keeping. We would be going nuts about it if the rest of the defence was performing, it's only because of other problems that the keeper situation isn't being talked about so much. Broadbent, it wasn't a criticism of the player as such, more that we are in a position where we are dependent on him, it shouldn't be that way, he should be eased in to a settled defence rather than being chucked in to a shambles in the hope that he'll sort it out. Broadbent did not do too well on the first goal, but to be subbed by an out of form CH when attack was needed, I wonder. Browner did not do too well on the second goal, thank God he scored. Lockyer got in a muddle for the third route one keeper's kick... Individual costly errors, but so were the Wombles' easiest of easy open goal misses, football's a funny ol' game. What must Gaffney think with Nichols starting ahead of him, apart from at least I've got a job? Not sure what Brown is supposed to do when faced with 2 players inside of the box other than try to hold them up for a couple of seconds until help arrives, problem is, nobody came to help. Swampy was charging off somewhere over the top of Dundry, Lines was stood watching, no idea where Sercombe was, the centre backs had just run into each other. The rest of what you say, I agree. It's gone too far with Nichols, he must be embarrassed to see his name on the team sheet you would think?
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 19, 2017 17:17:57 GMT
Broadbent did not do too well on the first goal, but to be subbed by an out of form CH when attack was needed, I wonder. Browner did not do too well on the second goal, thank God he scored. Lockyer got in a muddle for the third route one keeper's kick... Individual costly errors, but so were the Wombles' easiest of easy open goal misses, football's a funny ol' game. What must Gaffney think with Nichols starting ahead of him, apart from at least I've got a job? Not sure what Brown is supposed to do when faced with 2 players inside of the box other than try to hold them up for a couple of seconds until help arrives, problem is, nobody came to help. Swampy was charging off somewhere over the top of Dundry, Lines was stood watching, no idea where Sercombe was, the centre backs had just run into each other. The rest of what you say, I agree. It's gone too far with Nichols, he must be embarrassed to see his name on the team sheet you would think? Nichols is our most expensive player at the moment. He cost more than what we sold Taylor for who was a regular goalscorer. Nichols cost almost as much as our record signing Andy Tillson. Guess the manager who sees him train feels he has more to offer than Gaffers ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:47:02 GMT
Not sure what Brown is supposed to do when faced with 2 players inside of the box other than try to hold them up for a couple of seconds until help arrives, problem is, nobody came to help. Swampy was charging off somewhere over the top of Dundry, Lines was stood watching, no idea where Sercombe was, the centre backs had just run into each other. The rest of what you say, I agree. It's gone too far with Nichols, he must be embarrassed to see his name on the team sheet you would think? Nichols is our most expensive player at the moment. He cost more than what we sold Taylor for who was a regular goalscorer. Nichols cost almost as much as our record signing Andy Tillson. Guess the manager who sees him train feels he has more to offer than Gaffers ? Even if you are right and Nichols does look better than Rory in training, that sure as hell isn't what happens on match day.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 20, 2017 9:04:24 GMT
Don't think picking 4 central mid payers help. Not sure any knew their role fully which may have contributed to first two goals. Why we ended up with Harrison playing wide left when chasing the game, no idea. Think many have Broadbent on too high a pedestal, while composed on ball he makes mistakes. More to blame for all 3 goals than Leads. Teams press us high up the pitch knowing we have nothing wide as an out ball. When I saw the teamsheet - it was a WTF moment. As you say 4 centre-mids - so zero width. So we invite pressure down the flanks. So we're going to concede. Didn't take long. One of those games where 5 minute in (regardless of the early goal) - you're thinking what exactly is the formation / strategy / logic behind the starting XI? I thought Leads was OK going forward - but that isn't his main job, defending is. Sercombe put in a good shift considering he was totally out of position. O Clarke subbed at HT. Don't recall him doing anything. Anything. Anything at all. Again. Locks as captain is a joke. Locks 'first name on the team sheet' is a joke. But in the words of Morrissey - "that joke isn't funny any more". Nichols. DC - can you please just hold your hands up and say "I have made a massive mistake". He is just not worth persevering with. Not worth a place on the bench. 0-3 down, so what do we do - take off Broadbent and bring on an equally poor centre back. We were so sh*t I actually thought Byron Moore could come on and improve things. It was THAT bad. Barring 10 minutes after HT when Billy came on and actually got them on the back foot - that was a pile of sh*t. The Blackthorn Terrace just watched in stunned silence.
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 20, 2017 9:20:58 GMT
"What on earth do they do in training"?. Team Slocombe Leadbitter Sweeney Broadbent Bola Bodin Sercombe (Captain) Lines Harrison Gaffney Nicholls Thanks Steve. I like your suggested line-up. 4-4-2 with Ellis going to the wing solves the 'left flank' problem. Sercombe as Captain - good shout. Nicholls shouldn't even be on the bench. I'd like to see Telford/Gaffney have a go up front. No 'magic solution' to our on the pitch problems - but I don't see DC getting anywhere near the answer. I'd also like to see Manayese/Broadbent as a centre-back pairing given more time (1 late goal conceded in 180 minutes).
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Post by hungerfordgas on Nov 20, 2017 10:24:48 GMT
No need to panic,likely we will be in the bottom four come Saturday night,then the players/coaching staff will wake up!
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 20, 2017 17:05:56 GMT
Nichols is our most expensive player at the moment. He cost more than what we sold Taylor for who was a regular goalscorer. Nichols cost almost as much as our record signing Andy Tillson. Guess the manager who sees him train feels he has more to offer than Gaffers ? Even if you are right and Nichols does look better than Rory in training, that sure as hell isn't what happens on match day. but when Gaffers comes on he plays on the left wing never as a central striker either he is told that by DC or perhaps he is our new width ?
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Post by laughinggas on Nov 20, 2017 18:47:11 GMT
Ellis was left wing sat. Gaffers was supposed to be down the middle, till BB went searching
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Post by bloogas on Nov 20, 2017 18:51:47 GMT
No need to panic,likely we will be in the bottom four come Saturday night,then the players/coaching staff will wake up! I think you're being facetious, but in fact you're probably bang on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:35:23 GMT
People on this thread and also some at matches ripping into each and every player. We have had a bad run and virtually every player is lacking confidence. We all know they are better players than their showing at the moment and their the only players we have so i just dont see the point of different posters picking on players and hammering them constantly. No genuine wide players at the club right now have been effective except bodin so its clear the manager has to get around this as best he can,some will say he hasnt but we must keep in mind we are limited in that area. In time some of the current team will fall by the wayside but right now they are all we have got.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2017 0:53:48 GMT
A half hearted report this week which matches the entertainment or lack of it that was dished up. Last week I missed my first game for a few years and all I can say tonight is that I wished I'd have stayed on holiday a few more days such was the crap that was dished up by a team who honestly now look like they have met for the first time and my main question would be "What on earth do they do in training"?. the first important thing to say is that this like Notts County, Swindon,West Ham under23s and most of the teams we have played this season was a rank average League 1 team that we gave the freedom of the park with a mix of no understanding, individual mistakes , a system that nobody appears to know what their part is and a team that seems intent on passing sideways and back where each pass puts the team in more trouble. the front players come back so far to try to get the ball and then the bloody keeper spends the entire game hoofing the ball up to the opposition. I despair where our next point will come from and we are a CLUB that looks in total downfall with no leadership either on the field or off it. We are a total shambles and it is about time that the "nicey nicey" owner provides some leadership and tells us what the bloody hell is happening to our club. I wish I could say that DC will get it right - I thought he would but I now have total doubt as to whether he has the ability to put it right- I certainly have little faith that he is capable of making the sort of signings we need in January unless he receives help from an experienced person who has the knowledge of quality players and probably the charisma needed to persuade them to come. Smith 5 Some good saves but no command of six yard box and nearly gave away another calamity when dropping a simple ball Leadbitter 5 Attacking wise did well but went missing on at least two goals- needs to get defending right FIRST Lockyer 2 Welsh international-my ass. Broadbent 3 Too many mistakes but not helped b y more experienced players- at least he can pass a ball Brown 3 Great goal but another who needs to get defending right as priority Sinclair 2 Most over rated player in the squad,perhaps put his head on the other way and he might make a forward pass O Clarke 1 Was he out there today? A long rest needed Lines 3 We don't need a player playing right in front of a back four who all seem to play more forward than him- must be DC awful tactics Sercombe 6 The best midfielder but lost out wide. Harrison 6 Runs about but has to run everywhere to get the ball and then we have no striker at all Harrison 6 Runs about but has to run everywhere to get the ball and then we have no striker at all Nichols 3 There's a player in there but totally lost as is our forward line in general Subs: Sweeney 6 better than what he replaced but the damage had already been done Bodin 6 Obviously lacking match fitness but skill is always there Gaffney 6 Why can't DC just stick with him for a few games and tell him he is a centre forward Crowd 3 Can we really be blamed when such pathetic performances are now becoming the norm. Ref 6 Ok Dons 7 Another rank average team that make us look stupid Dc 1 has now changed so much that he doesn't know where to start. He has provided us with a lightweight team that EVERY team we play can now dominate us all over the pitch. He must select a team and stick with it till January barring injuries and leave out some of his obvious favourites. I have no magic answer to our problems other than picking a team and saying to them that if they perform well they will keep their places for at least 5 games. We need the back four to earn their money as DEFENDERS and push up with Sweeney organising to ensure defenders are marking opponents. We must work on pressurising from the front and the discipline must be concentrated on imposing OUR game on the opposition rather than the present which allows the opposition to impose itself on us home or away! Team Slocombe Leadbitter Sweeney Broadbent Bola Bodin Sercombe (Captain) Lines Harrison Gaffney Nicholls Unless I witness a great improvement at Blackburn next week than I won't be attending many more away games as at present it is a waste of time and money. UTG Steve, i left the game with 25 minutes to go. I just couldn’t take anymore. Something is badly wrong at the club imho
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Post by timothyq on Nov 21, 2017 9:15:53 GMT
Difficult to argue with really. It's made worse by the knowledge that those ****s at Ashton are enjoying a purple patch, and that that piece of subhuman slime Matty Taylor is scoring goals.
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 21, 2017 10:20:34 GMT
I would suggest events off field training base, new stadium do not even get discussed by a bunch of out of form players who clearly are lacking in confidence ability to compete in this league at the moment. Providing they are paid have their agents representing their best interests and in the squad that's the best they can hope for. Politics off the field do not figure high on their agenda. But obviously it does for DC who understandably is looking at the league table and his group with anger at our current form.
As we all know the industry is a results inspired business but his stock is still high with most fans and more importantly the club's owners.
I would just quote a very poor run of the fairly recent past well 15 years ago now...eight consecutive league defeats which was a club record 26.10.2002-21.12.2002 under Ray Graydon. He survived bas manager until 2004.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 21, 2017 14:02:00 GMT
The players may have their own problems to deal with. If true then it’s been suggested their payments have been problematical. I’ve not had full validation on this but have had some
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