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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 14, 2017 15:32:55 GMT
so I've been wondering, if...
- the initial plan was to develop a stadium (or to have a stadium developed for us) and a 'full-facilities' modern club
- the main 'problems' are the UWE plan and operating losses
- a main attraction of the initial plan was that both the initial and future investments would be largely translated into bricks and mortar (stadium and training centre), thus offering something sellable and concrete (ha ha)
- the main expenditure so far has been on potentially 'ephemeral' things like staff (which can come and go) and consultancy fees (much of which might have to be written off) - which seems incongruous
what has really changed, if anything? by the way, at the other place one poster has suggested that 'it won't be Bodin going in January', which implied to me that someone else will be - DC? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 16:42:14 GMT
Maybe they never intended laying a brick and the plan all along has been to sell 'off of plan' for the buyer to build himself? Maybe they had a buyer who introduced new conditions, and that's where it all got sticky with UWE? I dunno I'm sure, it's impossible to work out when the Chairman is saying stuff that doesn't quite sit with what the President says, Hani is Mute, and UWE are saying that the whole thing is still up for discussion, and are inviting us round for a chat over tea and a slice of cake. Anyone who says that they know is just guessing, if there are enough guesses then eventually someone will guess correctly and will spend the next 10 years saying that they knew all along  |
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Post by splitter on Nov 14, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
Anyone who says that they know is just guessing, if there are enough guesses then eventually someone will guess correctly and will spend the next 10 years saying that they knew all along Exactly my thoughts. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 14, 2017 20:35:13 GMT
Tote end Brian Williams reckons weem all doomed. Gasincider. I just go to games and try to leave the politicking out now. It caused me problems
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Post by PessimistGas on Nov 14, 2017 22:10:14 GMT
by the way, at the other place one poster has suggested that 'it won't be Bodin going in January', which implied to me that someone else will be - DC? The owners, hopefully. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC is sick being led up the garden path and finds himself another job. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 22:14:07 GMT
by the way, at the other place one poster has suggested that 'it won't be Bodin going in January', which implied to me that someone else will be - DC? The owners, hopefully. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC is sick being led up the garden path and finds himself another job. He might find that hes already missed the ambition boat though after our recent struggles. |
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Post by bs5 on Nov 15, 2017 0:05:01 GMT
Tote end Brian Williams reckons weem all doomed. Gasincider. I just go to games and try to leave the politicking out now. It caused me problems To be honest I’m not sure if putting a name to a forum nickname is a good idea mate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 0:19:07 GMT
The owners, hopefully. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC is sick being led up the garden path and finds himself another job. He might find that hes already missed the ambition boat though after our recent struggles. People in the game aren't stupid, all the agents know each other, they all talk, word gets around, people will know if he's trying to do the job on a shoestring budget, if he is then this season won't have affected his stock one tiny bit. Anyway, even great managers go through difficult patches. If Clarke put the feelers out for a move he would get plenty of interest. |
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Post by irishrover on Nov 15, 2017 15:36:24 GMT
He might find that hes already missed the ambition boat though after our recent struggles. People in the game aren't stupid, all the agents know each other, they all talk, word gets around, people will know if he's trying to do the job on a shoestring budget, if he is then this season won't have affected his stock one tiny bit. Anyway, even great managers go through difficult patches. If Clarke put the feelers out for a move he would get plenty of interest. What would interest him though? Might be a relevant question as I bet he's probably thinking about it - what would be his logical next step? I heard an interesting program the other night where someone was arguing that the bedblocking of young English Managers is happening lower and lower down the system as the money in the Championship goes up. In other words Championship clubs are becoming less willing to take a punt on an up and coming manager who has yet to prove themselves at that level as they don't think they can afford to take that risk - they want proven success. I'm not sure if that is really true but if it is then Clarke's options (at least in terms of advancing upwards) might not be as large as generally thought. Bolton (and to a lesser extent City's struggles last season) show the landscape has changed a bit as the gap between League 1 and Championship has grown. So if you were an ambitious manager in Clarke's position you would probably want a League 1 club that could become a consolidated Championship club - I'm not sure there are all that many of those in our league right now that would be a great bet for that (takeovers not withstanding etc). So it would be Blackburn, Charlton, Wigan in the first tier list (although all of those look more like Bolton's than Sheff United's right now) and then the likes of Bradford, Plymouth, Peterborough, Oxford, MK Dons maybe. Are any of those club worth leaving a good situation with us for? Maybe, depends how you see the future at Rovers I suppose.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 16:47:42 GMT
People in the game aren't stupid, all the agents know each other, they all talk, word gets around, people will know if he's trying to do the job on a shoestring budget, if he is then this season won't have affected his stock one tiny bit. Anyway, even great managers go through difficult patches. If Clarke put the feelers out for a move he would get plenty of interest. What would interest him though? Might be a relevant question as I bet he's probably thinking about it - what would be his logical next step? I heard an interesting program the other night where someone was arguing that the bedblocking of young English Managers is happening lower and lower down the system as the money in the Championship goes up. In other words Championship clubs are becoming less willing to take a punt on an up and coming manager who has yet to prove themselves at that level as they don't think they can afford to take that risk - they want proven success. I'm not sure if that is really true but if it is then Clarke's options (at least in terms of advancing upwards) might not be as large as generally thought. Bolton (and to a lesser extent City's struggles last season) show the landscape has changed a bit as the gap between League 1 and Championship has grown. So if you were an ambitious manager in Clarke's position you would probably want a League 1 club that could become a consolidated Championship club - I'm not sure there are all that many of those in our league right now that would be a great bet for that (takeovers not withstanding etc). So it would be Blackburn, Charlton, Wigan in the first tier list (although all of those look more like Bolton's than Sheff United's right now) and then the likes of Bradford, Plymouth, Peterborough, Oxford, MK Dons maybe. Are any of those club worth leaving a good situation with us for? Maybe, depends how you see the future at Rovers I suppose.... I wonder how ambitious DC is ? if he was that ambitious surely he would have taken the Leeds job ? Maybe he wants to stay in the South of England for personal reasons ? perhaps if he got the sack he would rather stay in the region and manage a non league club.
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Post by garystash on Nov 15, 2017 16:58:31 GMT
What would interest him though? Might be a relevant question as I bet he's probably thinking about it - what would be his logical next step? I heard an interesting program the other night where someone was arguing that the bedblocking of young English Managers is happening lower and lower down the system as the money in the Championship goes up. In other words Championship clubs are becoming less willing to take a punt on an up and coming manager who has yet to prove themselves at that level as they don't think they can afford to take that risk - they want proven success. I'm not sure if that is really true but if it is then Clarke's options (at least in terms of advancing upwards) might not be as large as generally thought. Bolton (and to a lesser extent City's struggles last season) show the landscape has changed a bit as the gap between League 1 and Championship has grown. So if you were an ambitious manager in Clarke's position you would probably want a League 1 club that could become a consolidated Championship club - I'm not sure there are all that many of those in our league right now that would be a great bet for that (takeovers not withstanding etc). So it would be Blackburn, Charlton, Wigan in the first tier list (although all of those look more like Bolton's than Sheff United's right now) and then the likes of Bradford, Plymouth, Peterborough, Oxford, MK Dons maybe. Are any of those club worth leaving a good situation with us for? Maybe, depends how you see the future at Rovers I suppose.... I wonder how ambitious DC is ? if he was that ambitious surely he would have taken the Leeds job ? Maybe he wants to stay in the South of England for personal reasons ? perhaps if he got the sack he would rather stay in the region and manage a non league club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 17:25:07 GMT
People in the game aren't stupid, all the agents know each other, they all talk, word gets around, people will know if he's trying to do the job on a shoestring budget, if he is then this season won't have affected his stock one tiny bit. Anyway, even great managers go through difficult patches. If Clarke put the feelers out for a move he would get plenty of interest. What would interest him though? Might be a relevant question as I bet he's probably thinking about it - what would be his logical next step? I heard an interesting program the other night where someone was arguing that the bedblocking of young English Managers is happening lower and lower down the system as the money in the Championship goes up. In other words Championship clubs are becoming less willing to take a punt on an up and coming manager who has yet to prove themselves at that level as they don't think they can afford to take that risk - they want proven success. I'm not sure if that is really true but if it is then Clarke's options (at least in terms of advancing upwards) might not be as large as generally thought. Bolton (and to a lesser extent City's struggles last season) show the landscape has changed a bit as the gap between League 1 and Championship has grown. So if you were an ambitious manager in Clarke's position you would probably want a League 1 club that could become a consolidated Championship club - I'm not sure there are all that many of those in our league right now that would be a great bet for that (takeovers not withstanding etc). So it would be Blackburn, Charlton, Wigan in the first tier list (although all of those look more like Bolton's than Sheff United's right now) and then the likes of Bradford, Plymouth, Peterborough, Oxford, MK Dons maybe. Are any of those club worth leaving a good situation with us for? Maybe, depends how you see the future at Rovers I suppose.... Mid to late December, a couple of Championship teams will be looking at where they are and considering options before the transfer window opens. |
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Post by johnmalyckyj on Nov 15, 2017 21:06:03 GMT
Tote end Brian Williams reckons weem all doomed. Gasincider. I just go to games and try to leave the politicking out now. It caused me problems To be honest I’m not sure if putting a name to a forum nickname is a good idea mate. Why not, if you have something to say, then say it and have the courage to put your name to it? Regards John Malyckyj |
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 15, 2017 22:12:13 GMT
Yeah - but Malyckyj isn't your real surname. It's just a very good scrabble score.
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Post by bs5 on Nov 15, 2017 22:13:23 GMT
To be honest I’m not sure if putting a name to a forum nickname is a good idea mate. Why not, if you have something to say, then say it and have the courage to put your name to it? Regards John Malyckyj Listen pal, there’s a few on here but plenty on the other sh1tpit of a forum who like to give it the billy big bollox from the comfort of their own sofa hurling insults etc to others such as myself and Gasincider etc, for daring to reveal present shortcomings at our club , why should you be outed on here or the other forum for telling the truth that people don’t like ? I’m not for a moment saying KP has meant any malice in it but others could make Gasinciders life f@cking awkward without thinking which really ain’t on in my opinion. I remember that belter Jim Chappell having a dig and taking exception because I dared shout “ f@ck me Rovers this is f@cking s***” when at Rovers v Exeter when we got relegated to league 2 , I pay my money I’ll speak as I choose. |
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Post by vaughan on Nov 15, 2017 22:15:27 GMT
I agree. Even Gasincider coughed up that his real name was Dave Perry from WSM. I found it a bit of an anti-climax personally. Not the same ring as Poirot.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
as you are one of those clueless rosetinters from the supporters club who don’t represent the supporters but represent the club at all costs even though we’re having our pants pulled down I am so far out of the loop on this one, and probably I am ignorant, but was not John Malyckyj a key player in the (sadly short-lived) 'change' movement within BRSC who wanted BRSC to hold BRFC to account under far greater scrutiny regarding its failings? I do not have a hound in this race at all, but are you sure you and John do not agree about pointing out inadequacies and asking challenging questions on behalf of supporters? At least more so than the current (permanent) BRSC regime, who seem never to do so. Let me know if I have this all arse-backwards. |
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 15, 2017 22:44:52 GMT
as you are one of those clueless rosetinters from the supporters club who don’t represent the supporters but represent the club at all costs even though we’re having our pants pulled down I am so far out of the loop on this one, and probably I am ignorant, but was not John Malyckyj a key player in the (sadly short-lived) 'change' movement within BRSC who wanted BRSC to hold BRFC to account under far greater scrutiny regarding its failings? I do not have a hound in this race at all, but are you sure you and John do not agree about pointing out inadequacies and asking challenging questions on behalf of supporters? At least more so than the current (permanent) BRSC regime, who seem never to do so. Let me know if I have this all arse-backwards. I believe, though I'm not sure, that the difference is that Mr Malyckyj calls himself by his real name on here, whereas many others on here call him Mr Maltwhiskey I hope he doesn't mind me mentioning that - I don't know him and would hate to offend him in any way, especially as I've always found his posts to be thoughtful and impeccably polite |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 23:26:45 GMT
as you are one of those clueless rosetinters from the supporters club who don’t represent the supporters but represent the club at all costs even though we’re having our pants pulled down I am so far out of the loop on this one, and probably I am ignorant, but was not John Malyckyj a key player in the (sadly short-lived) 'change' movement within BRSC who wanted BRSC to hold BRFC to account under far greater scrutiny regarding its failings? I do not have a hound in this race at all, but are you sure you and John do not agree about pointing out inadequacies and asking challenging questions on behalf of supporters? At least more so than the current (permanent) BRSC regime, who seem never to do so. Let me know if I have this all arse-backwards. Maltwhisky can speak for himself, but BS5 has it slightly wrong. As you say, John was one of the driving forces behind modernising the SC, this lead to things like the 'where's the money gone?' report, the drafting of the Agenda For Change document, the Share Scheme, which whether you like it or loath it provided essential funds at a critical time, it was during John's time that the regional SC groups blossomed, I could go on and on. On the other hand, Jim did once say to me that he saw the primary role of the SC as being to support the FC, so maybe BS5 has just got people confused? |
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Post by bs5 on Nov 16, 2017 0:06:06 GMT
I am so far out of the loop on this one, and probably I am ignorant, but was not John Malyckyj a key player in the (sadly short-lived) 'change' movement within BRSC who wanted BRSC to hold BRFC to account under far greater scrutiny regarding its failings? I do not have a hound in this race at all, but are you sure you and John do not agree about pointing out inadequacies and asking challenging questions on behalf of supporters? At least more so than the current (permanent) BRSC regime, who seem never to do so. Let me know if I have this all arse-backwards. Maltwhisky can speak for himself, but BS5 has it slightly wrong. As you say, John was one of the driving forces behind modernising the SC, this lead to things like the 'where's the money gone?' report, the drafting of the Agenda For Change document, the Share Scheme, which whether you like it or loath it provided essential funds at a critical time, it was during John's time that the regional SC groups blossomed, I could go on and on. On the other hand, Jim did once say to me that he saw the primary role of the SC as being to support the FC, so maybe BS5 has just got people confused? in that case perhaps I have , so I’ll take it back |
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