dinsdale
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Post by dinsdale on Nov 1, 2017 6:51:55 GMT
I have been hearing nothing but negative stories about the board for the past few months. Are any of you still optimistic they are in it for the long haul and are going to deliver ?
I hated the period of slow decline following the failed promotion season of 99-00 and all the ill feeling towards the board that followed and i really hoped for a period of all pulling together and some relative success.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 1, 2017 7:08:39 GMT
Publicly, no one can doubt the board's intentions.
Privately, some of us feel it's only right to question how they mean to achieve their aims.
For me, until some things are delivered with structure and sincerity, I remain best described as ambivilouus to the current board.
It's not all negative. A huge positive was taken in taking steps to unite the fan base and appear welcoming and approachable. A great pr exercise, but we've yet to see any real substance.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Nov 1, 2017 7:42:52 GMT
A lot of small things have been done around the stadium, contactless card payments at last being one. A lot of investment has been made to the backroom staff, which must be a good thing and making us a more professional club. However, the stalling of the training facilities and UWE are big negatives at present. If they do deliver the former over the coming months/year, then I will feel more comfortable.
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Post by bs5 on Nov 1, 2017 8:14:01 GMT
A lot of small things have been done around the stadium, contactless card payments at last being one. A lot of investment has been made to the backroom staff, which must be a good thing and making us a more professional club. However, the stalling of the training facilities and UWE are big negatives at present. If they do deliver the former over the coming months/year, then I will feel more comfortable. The small investments are there from management of the clubs funds, they have yet to illustrate the parting of any of their own cash and I don't think they ever intended to . " the finances are in place" seems to be one of their most notable and laughable quotes. |
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 1, 2017 8:40:58 GMT
Bring back Higgs.
Bring back Conference Football.
Bring back running a professional football club like your local corner shop.
Bring back ‘the funding is in place and has been for some time’.
Bring back Wonga loans.
Bring back banning supporters of 40 plus years standing for ‘persistent criticism’.
Bring back Santa’s Grotto.
Bring back watertight contracts with Sainsbury’s that are laughed out of court.
Bring back a boardroom and club with more leaks than a sieve.
Bring back being weeks away from probable administration.
Why would anyone with a modicum of sanity want any of this?
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 1, 2017 8:47:32 GMT
I don't have faith in anything, if I can practically avoid it. Where possible, I look at the evidence, and make a judgement using my experience and logic. I then try to continuously test that judgement based on further evidence. I try to look at all scenarios, and decide which ones are most likely, but keep in mind that I might be wrong.
Why would you have 'faith' in some people you've never even met properly?
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bs5
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Post by bs5 on Nov 1, 2017 9:18:51 GMT
Bring back Higgs. Bring back Conference Football. Bring back running a professional football club like your local corner shop. Bring back ‘the funding is in place and has been for some time’. Bring back Wonga loans. Bring back banning supporters of 40 plus years standing for ‘persistent criticism’. Bring back Santa’s Grotto. Bring back watertight contracts with Sainsbury’s that are laughed out of court. Bring back a boardroom and club with more leaks than a sieve. Bring back being weeks away from probable administration. Why would anyone with a modicum of sanity want any of this? well they wouldn't would they? But neither would they want what's really happening with the club at the moment would they? |
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Nov 1, 2017 9:30:06 GMT
Don't forget we now have a suggestion box in place too.
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bs5
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Post by bs5 on Nov 1, 2017 9:31:44 GMT
Don't forget we now have a suggestion box in place too. Is there , whereabouts? |
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Nov 1, 2017 10:56:26 GMT
Don't forget we now have a suggestion box in place too. Is there , whereabouts? There was a suggestion submitted to reveal the whereabouts of the suggestion box but the board have rejected that suggestion |
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Igitur
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Post by Igitur on Nov 1, 2017 11:02:29 GMT
There was a suggestion submitted to reveal the whereabouts of the suggestion box but the board have rejected that suggestion Inside knowledge there, as we do not know what goes on at board meetings. :-) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:29:27 GMT
I don't have faith in anything, if I can practically avoid it. Where possible, I look at the evidence, and make a judgement using my experience and logic. I then try to continuously test that judgement based on further evidence. I try to look at all scenarios, and decide which ones are most likely, but keep in mind that I might be wrong. Why would you have 'faith' in some people you've never even met properly? Ha, you've been reading my diary  It's easy to demonstrate that faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth, so why would anyone with half an ounce of common sense use it to support any belief? But I'm not sure that's what Dinsdale meant here, I'm guessing that what was meant was 'Do people still have confidence in the new owners'? The answer for me is that they won't allow their investment to explode in their faces, but whilst for Wael it's a dream to own a football club, for the rest of the family it's just another business, and probably one that takes a huge amount of valuable time and effort for very little tangible return. I wonder what happens when someone expresses an interest in buying, everybody else around the table looks relieved and says that they should sell but Wael wants to keep his toy? |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Nov 1, 2017 12:17:56 GMT
People start speculating, speculation becomes rumours and rumours become truths. People should just relax and let events take the time they take and not spout rumoured truths.
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irishrover
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Post by irishrover on Nov 1, 2017 13:23:39 GMT
Bring back Higgs. Bring back Conference Football. Bring back running a professional football club like your local corner shop. Bring back ‘the funding is in place and has been for some time’. Bring back Wonga loans. Bring back banning supporters of 40 plus years standing for ‘persistent criticism’. Bring back Santa’s Grotto. Bring back watertight contracts with Sainsbury’s that are laughed out of court. Bring back a boardroom and club with more leaks than a sieve. Bring back being weeks away from probable administration. Why would anyone with a modicum of sanity want any of this? But that's a false logic. Being sceptical of the current ownership does not imply validation of the previous ownership. Also, it's quite possible to say that the Al-Qadi's have done good things for us while at the same time being concerned about the current direction of the club. It's not an all or nothing scenario.
I still have hope that things will work out but I have been unhappy with the mood coming out of the club and some recent developments give me cause to doubt how committed our owners are to their model of evolving success. I would argue that the collapse of the UWE deal, the stalling of the colony, the current lack of a clear commitment to a plan B beyond a bit of bluster, a fair amount of cryptic obfuscation on behalf of the owners and a clear lack of investment in the team (versus the stated intention of steady improvement) are all causes for concern. None of these things are definitive and can definitely put in the context of good progress up to this point - but I don't see why I should have any particular loyalty to these owners and if they do things that concern me I'm going to mention that. It's not unsubstantiated rumour- it's simply an interpretation of events that have occurred that, in my opinion, add up to a potentially concerning picture although I very much hope I'm wrong in these worries. As with the previous regime (and indeed any owners in the modern era) I primarily want them to get on with the job competently rather than be replaced; I have no desire to see new owners.
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Post by PessimistGas on Nov 1, 2017 13:26:18 GMT
Bring back ‘the funding is in place and has been for some time’. They already have. |
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crater
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Post by crater on Nov 1, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
In the words of the song I have faith...
Because I gotta to have faith faith
I gotta to have faith, faith, faith
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faggotygas
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 1, 2017 14:11:12 GMT
I don't have faith in anything, if I can practically avoid it. Where possible, I look at the evidence, and make a judgement using my experience and logic. I then try to continuously test that judgement based on further evidence. I try to look at all scenarios, and decide which ones are most likely, but keep in mind that I might be wrong. Why would you have 'faith' in some people you've never even met properly? Ha, you've been reading my diary It's easy to demonstrate that faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth, so why would anyone with half an ounce of common sense use it to support any belief? But I'm not sure that's what Dinsdale meant here, I'm guessing that what was meant was 'Do people still have confidence in the new owners'? The answer for me is that they won't allow their investment to explode in their faces, but whilst for Wael it's a dream to own a football club, for the rest of the family it's just another business, and probably one that takes a huge amount of valuable time and effort for very little tangible return. I wonder what happens when someone expresses an interest in buying, everybody else around the table looks relieved and says that they should sell but Wael wants to keep his toy? Ok, confidence. Personally, I'm not sure - I have questions that would need to be answered before I could have confidence. Fact is, I don't know - I just don't have enough to go on.
These splinters up my bum hurt
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 1, 2017 14:16:18 GMT
Ha, you've been reading my diary It's easy to demonstrate that faith isn't a reliable pathway to truth, so why would anyone with half an ounce of common sense use it to support any belief? But I'm not sure that's what Dinsdale meant here, I'm guessing that what was meant was 'Do people still have confidence in the new owners'? The answer for me is that they won't allow their investment to explode in their faces, but whilst for Wael it's a dream to own a football club, for the rest of the family it's just another business, and probably one that takes a huge amount of valuable time and effort for very little tangible return. I wonder what happens when someone expresses an interest in buying, everybody else around the table looks relieved and says that they should sell but Wael wants to keep his toy? Ok, confidence. Personally, I'm not sure - I have questions that would need to be answered before I could have confidence. Fact is, I don't know - I just don't have enough to go on.
These splinters up my bum hurt
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 14:20:17 GMT
I've been watching Rovers since 1991 and aware of the politics of the club since the mid-90's. I've rarely retained faith in any board.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Nov 1, 2017 14:33:07 GMT
Bottom line is that there is a lot of bitching and whining on here, Gaschat, and social media, but the number of people who have dared to publically challenge the boardroom over the past four decades can be counted on a single person’s fingers and toes.
There will never be an effective demonstration, there will never be any evidence based challenge, just ‘me mates sister and law’s third cousin twice removed says’ type stuff, and there will never be an AFC Bristol Rovers after any bankruptcy or other club meltdown. For the simple reason that 99.95% of the fan base can not be bothered to get off their behinds and do something.
In the meantime we just carry on being subjected to a drip feed of false information and unsubstantiated rumour as a substitute for anything remotely resembling fact. ‘‘Twas ever the same.
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