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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 15:00:18 GMT
No they don't, one show has a Jackass with a big mouth who shouts at people who hold a different point of view, the other show has a panel of elected Jackasses who ( Laura Pidcock aside) mostly don't shout, but still talk over and totally disregard anybody with a different point of view. What's different? That's actually very similar all bar the shouting. Edit. And I think you've actually provided the rope to hang the original post with, it didn't provide any substance for debate other than using an unpleasant term to label people who were exercising their right to attend a football match. Now, if you think those people are maybe a bit dim and don't understand the format of the competition and the implications, then by all means say so, otherwise, leave them alone. Maybe the reason that nobody else has provided an alternative word is because nobody else thinks they should be labeled in that way But what the heck, I'll give it a bash, here's my alternative thread title, 66 Rovers' Supporters Make The Effort To Attend A Match That They Would probably Rather Wasn't Taking Place, But As It Is, They Wanted To Support Their Boys. Any good? Nope. Sounds similar to to the original thread just a bit poncy. Hmmm, exposed as having no real point, no attempt to address the argument, totally vacuous, you are Russell Brand and I claim my £5.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 15:08:54 GMT
I've made my point earlier in the thread.
Like I said no one can come up with a more legitimate adjective, which you chose to skoot around by saying the obvious when left with the truth. Not everyone enjoys labels, true, but for those whom do, there appears to be little alternative to scab.
And your alternative thread is poncy.
I saw Russell Brand live at Colston Hall earlier this year. Some bits were funny. Some were clever. Some parts were dipped in KP for a bit so yea I guess we got alot in common. Well 2/3 ain't bad (someone else sang that!).
I get the thrust of your point, Bambi. Just see it slightly differently.
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 30, 2017 16:01:24 GMT
He's an adult with a Minion in his avatar, he probably thinks Mrs Brown's Boys is funny. Na Watching Dads army is funny Can't stand that Irish Twat ' WAAAAYYYCIIIIISSSTT'
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 30, 2017 16:08:08 GMT
You don't have to like my opinion but all I see is people giving the football league the knife to murder lower league football. You are not getting it all, son. I do like your opinion. I do think any success for the new Football League Trophy is a nail in the coffin of third and fourth division football clubs. I do think it is a travesty that must be defeated. I do think that attending these 'matches' is 'giving the football league the knife to murder lower league football'. I do think BRFC supporters should boycott every Football League Trophy game until the B-teams are removed permanently. What I find unpleasant in the extreme is you calling people buying tickets to watch BRFC 'scabs'. You did not go without food during the miner's strike. You might use vocabulary you better understand. The shame should be with the football league. You calling gasheads 'scabs' means that the shame is all yours. Perhaps you should try to convince ticket-buying gasheads of the merits of your (our) opinion. If you think that the sixty-six all believe that their buying tickets was to the detriment of BRFC, then you just do not get it. Calling them scabs will not work. Calling them scabs will not convince them that you are right. Calling them scabs will not convince anybody else either. It just sounds like animal noises. I believe we both want Football League Trophy attendances to decline towards zero, until the B-Team idea is consigned to history forever. This requires unity, solidarity, and awareness of the consequences of supporters' actions. Internet animal noises from you are not working. Perhaps 'Chewbacca' would like to address 'the 66' face to face with his opinions stated earlier in this thread? Be quite interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:41:24 GMT
I've made my point earlier in the thread. Like I said no one can come up with a more legitimate adjective, which you chose to skoot around by saying the obvious when left with the truth. Not everyone enjoys labels, true, but for those whom do, there appears to be little alternative to scab. And your alternative thread is poncy. I saw Russell Brand live at Colston Hall earlier this year. Some bits were funny. Some were clever. Some parts were dipped in KP for a bit so yea I guess we got alot in common. Well 2/3 ain't bad (someone else sang that!). I get the thrust of your point, Bambi. Just see it slightly differently. As you say, we'll just have to agree to disagree, my position is that Rovers' supporters who decided to go last night don't need any label, apart from Rovers' supporters. Maybe, if you really insist, you could go with; Fan Supporter Loyal Die hard I don't know, use your imagination, but why choose an insulting one?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:42:43 GMT
I've made my point earlier in the thread. Like I said no one can come up with a more legitimate adjective, which you chose to skoot around by saying the obvious when left with the truth. Not everyone enjoys labels, true, but for those whom do, there appears to be little alternative to scab. And your alternative thread is poncy. I saw Russell Brand live at Colston Hall earlier this year. Some bits were funny. Some were clever. Some parts were dipped in KP for a bit so yea I guess we got alot in common. Well 2/3 ain't bad (someone else sang that!). I get the thrust of your point, Bambi. Just see it slightly differently. As you say, we'll just have to agree to disagree, my position is that Rovers' supporters who decided to go last night don't need any label, apart from Rovers' supporters. Maybe, if you really insist, you could go with; Fan Supporter Loyal Die hard I don't know, use your imagination, but why choose an insulting one? spot on
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 17:56:45 GMT
I've made my point earlier in the thread. Like I said no one can come up with a more legitimate adjective, which you chose to skoot around by saying the obvious when left with the truth. Not everyone enjoys labels, true, but for those whom do, there appears to be little alternative to scab. And your alternative thread is poncy. I saw Russell Brand live at Colston Hall earlier this year. Some bits were funny. Some were clever. Some parts were dipped in KP for a bit so yea I guess we got alot in common. Well 2/3 ain't bad (someone else sang that!). I get the thrust of your point, Bambi. Just see it slightly differently. As you say, we'll just have to agree to disagree, my position is that Rovers' supporters who decided to go last night don't need any label, apart from Rovers' supporters. Maybe, if you really insist, you could go with; Fan Supporter Loyal Die hard I don't know, use your imagination, but why choose an insulting one? Funny, as I think those adjectives you list apply to those whom chose NOT to attend. Because it isn't easy you know - breaking a habit. But I guess if some are short sighted, ignorant, just plain don't care or a n other think the same, then that's their prerogative, and wear the cap that fits..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 18:05:50 GMT
As you say, we'll just have to agree to disagree, my position is that Rovers' supporters who decided to go last night don't need any label, apart from Rovers' supporters. Maybe, if you really insist, you could go with; Fan Supporter Loyal Die hard I don't know, use your imagination, but why choose an insulting one? Funny, as I think those adjectives you list apply to those whom chose NOT to attend. Because it isn't easy you know - breaking a habit. But I guess if some are short sighted, ignorant, just plain don't care or a n other think the same, then that's their prerogative, and wear the cap that fits.. You can hold 'short sighted' or possibly 'don't care' as an opinion, but to suggest that the people who went are ignorant would require that they didn't understand the competition format wouldn't it? One possibility is that they knew that the event was happening regardless and just wanted to support their team. Fair play to them, hope they had a great night watching the boys put one over on a club that have used every trick in the book against us in recent years.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 30, 2017 18:21:35 GMT
Thing is chewie has already won the debate because not many people disagree with his point the format is wrong. It's just a question of how you debate and how you go about it. Which is different to each individual. Jeremy Kyle and Question Time deal with conflict and disagreement all the time in different ways. Scab seems a perfectly reasonable adjective as no one can come up with anything more accurate in one word. Or if they can, they haven't posted it here yet. Leave chewie alone, he's free to express himself like anyone else here, and if it's emotionally evoking then the forums all the better for it I think. No he hasn't won the debate, I'm not sure there is a debate about the merits of this competition. Most fans are in agreement that this is a poor competition made worse by how the EFL have organised it with U21 teams. That isn't the debate here. The debate is about posters calling others with a different opinion names and having an arrogance to believe that because others are supporting our team when they choose not to they can call them all sorts of names. We called that bullying and it still is. It's an individual decision so let individuals choose how they are going to act. And respect that. You are absolutely right that "he's free to express himself...", and I guess that is the point others are making. Others are free to decide as well, it works both ways! Doesn't it? UTG!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 30, 2017 18:29:38 GMT
We have been to the final before, one wonders how many 'scabs' (nasty word for a Rovers supporter) would be at Wembley! Unfortunately it has become acceptable to go much further, via social media, to call our own fans much worse.
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Post by tanksfull on Aug 30, 2017 18:36:43 GMT
I've made my point earlier in the thread. Like I said no one can come up with a more legitimate adjective, which you chose to skoot around by saying the obvious when left with the truth. Not everyone enjoys labels, true, but for those whom do, there appears to be little alternative to scab. And your alternative thread is poncy. I saw Russell Brand live at Colston Hall earlier this year. Some bits were funny. Some were clever. Some parts were dipped in KP for a bit so yea I guess we got alot in common. Well 2/3 ain't bad (someone else sang that!). I get the thrust of your point, Bambi. Just see it slightly differently. Scab is a derogatory term for a strikebreaker, who generally crosses a picket line, where some sort of vote has taken place to make the strike official. Often involving people who didn't even work for that company before the strike began! People who attend a football match can hardly be a scab just because someone else's point of view differs from theirs. The irony is that most won't even be reading this or any other thread so I'm not quite sure who is being "preached" to. I won't be attending even if we reach a Wembley final but think calling any one a scab, in these circumstances, is totally out of order. How about the remaining supporters who went or are comments restricted to "fellow" supporters only? The tone is quite sad. I can only assume the person who initiated the comment has no idea of history and the use of the word.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 18:46:01 GMT
scab/skab/
noun 1.a dry, rough protective crust that forms over a cut or wound during healing. 2.mange or a similar skin disease in animals. 3.a person or thing regarded with contempt.
verb 1.become encrusted or covered with a scab or scabs. 2.act or work as a scab
Probably 3 applies. Probably noun 2 applies to Swindon fans also.
We all know what we're talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:03:09 GMT
Come on guys, Chewy is one of the 'good guys', let's not turn this into some kind of morality contest, it was a poor choice of words, the term still resonates with people of my age, lucky him if he didn't live through it. Hands up everyone who has never posted anything that they've looked at later and thought that they would rather have expressed their thoughts in a different way. Anybody? Thought not. Can't we just leave it and move on please? Of course he is a good guy, and clearly a proper gashead. I cannot start morality contests; I'm just a duck. I think my solidarity with the wookie was clear in my points and avuncular tone, but my point about calling such names stands. Is it not likely that some of the 66 were families somehow proximal to Wycombe and innocently attracted to the affordable ticket availavilty, but whom may have been entirely unaware of B-Team conspiracies? These are not scabs. I can quite imagine snapping up cheaper competition tickets to take a duckling to a BRFC away match near the nest. These people need to hear good arguments for boycotting this awful competition format. We need not to shame ourselves by insulting well meaning BRFC ticket buyers, and we need to WIN THIS ARGUMENT, otherwise the Premier League et al will destroy us. You are right though, he is on our side of course. Respect the wookie.
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Post by Rex on Aug 30, 2017 19:06:36 GMT
Right, here goes.
Dads Army is funny.
Minnions are neither funny nor unfunny to grown ups.
Mrs Browns Boys is abysmal s**te.
The Checkatrade Trophy is worse than Mrs Browns Boys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:36:23 GMT
Thing is chewie has already won the debate because not many people disagree with his point the format is wrong. It's just a question of how you debate and how you go about it. Which is different to each individual. Jeremy Kyle and Question Time deal with conflict and disagreement all the time in different ways. Scab seems a perfectly reasonable adjective as no one can come up with anything more accurate in one word. Or if they can, they haven't posted it here yet. Leave chewie alone, he's free to express himself like anyone else here, and if it's emotionally evoking then the forums all the better for it I think. No he hasn't won the debate, I'm not sure there is a debate about the merits of this competition. Most fans are in agreement that this is a poor competition made worse by how the EFL have organised it with U21 teams. That isn't the debate here. The debate is about posters calling others with a different opinion names and having an arrogance to believe that because others are supporting our team when they choose not to they can call them all sorts of names. We called that bullying and it still is. It's an individual decision so let individuals choose how they are going to act. And respect that. You are absolutely right that "he's free to express himself...", and I guess that is the point others are making. Others are free to decide as well, it works both ways! Doesn't it? UTG! It was a good competition made execrable by the EFL allowing reserve teams into it.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Aug 30, 2017 19:46:17 GMT
Right, here goes. Dads Army is funny. Minnions are neither funny nor unfunny to grown ups. Mrs Browns Boys is abysmal s***e. The Checkatrade Trophy is worse than Mrs Browns Boys. I bet you were still pleased with the 5-1 score line
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:46:48 GMT
No he hasn't won the debate, I'm not sure there is a debate about the merits of this competition. Most fans are in agreement that this is a poor competition made worse by how the EFL have organised it with U21 teams. That isn't the debate here. The debate is about posters calling others with a different opinion names and having an arrogance to believe that because others are supporting our team when they choose not to they can call them all sorts of names. We called that bullying and it still is. It's an individual decision so let individuals choose how they are going to act. And respect that. You are absolutely right that "he's free to express himself...", and I guess that is the point others are making. Others are free to decide as well, it works both ways! Doesn't it? UTG! It was a good competition made execrable by the EFL allowing reserve teams into it. Good word, nice one
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 30, 2017 20:10:34 GMT
No he hasn't won the debate, I'm not sure there is a debate about the merits of this competition. Most fans are in agreement that this is a poor competition made worse by how the EFL have organised it with U21 teams. That isn't the debate here. The debate is about posters calling others with a different opinion names and having an arrogance to believe that because others are supporting our team when they choose not to they can call them all sorts of names. We called that bullying and it still is. It's an individual decision so let individuals choose how they are going to act. And respect that. You are absolutely right that "he's free to express himself...", and I guess that is the point others are making. Others are free to decide as well, it works both ways! Doesn't it? UTG! It was a good competition made execrable by the EFL allowing reserve teams into it. That's a fair enough comment. Unfortunately the actions of the EFL have made the competition, as you say, very poor. Before it was a chance to get to Wembley and enjoy it. Now if we were to get to Wembley we'd have a 70 page thread and not for the right reasons. UTG!
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Post by markwind on Aug 30, 2017 21:40:16 GMT
If you think using the term 'scab' to describe a fellow Rovers fan is acceptable, you need to re-evaluate. What term is acceptable? The thrust of the term is widely understood, no matter how unpalatable it may be. Supporter? Gashead? Both fit better
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 31, 2017 6:07:22 GMT
Will we have this thread for every game or just every season?
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