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Post by matealotblue on Aug 30, 2017 8:52:00 GMT
Well said. Last year was the same, poor attendances early on. Whenever Shaun Harvey, EFL boss, talks about attendances he always claims the record Coventry v Oxford record attendance. Of course it had nothing to do with the U21 teams but when have PR people ever let the evidence affect what you put out. Well done matealotblue, some good reason and a lot of sense in that post. But I guess that if we've had this argument over a first round match just imagine the in-fighting we'd get for a final. Now that would split the support! UTG! True, but I don't see why we have to have all this infighting though. It's called a difference of opinion. We should all be tolerant of each other's different views on this. Go/don't go. The choice is yours. Make your statement, respect that of others who have a difference of opinion. Have a good debate - move on. Simple really. But again (in my view) I can't stress enough - if as a fan (of any of the clubs involved) you feel this competition is really truly s**te then you have to stay away right to the end. It's the only opinion EFL are interested in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:06:18 GMT
He's an adult with a Minion in his avatar, he probably thinks Mrs Brown's Boys is funny. Na Watching Dads army is funny Can't stand that Irish Twat jesus, i agree with you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:06:54 GMT
I don't think anyone has called anyone a 'scab' for shades of allegiance division since the Miners' Strikes. It's about as senseless as the Peoples' Front of Judea calling the Judean Peoples' Front 'splitters' in Life of Brian. If someone wants to attend, bloody well let them. That's one more evening of their time and money supporting the club we love that YOU decided to spend being hysterical on the internet. Again. So you agree with the premise that Premier League and Championship B teams should play in the football league? where have they said that ?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 10:17:35 GMT
He's an adult with a Minion in his avatar, he probably thinks Mrs Brown's Boys is funny. Na Watching Dads army is funny Can't stand that Irish Twat You missed out the 'transvestite' bit and thus an opportunity to be more controversial!
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 30, 2017 10:25:43 GMT
So you agree with the premise that Premier League and Championship B teams should play in the football league? where have they said that ? To be fair I don't think they have explicitly. I think it comes down to how much you trust them not to introduce that in the future. Personally, with Harvey at the helm I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Which ain't very far. And I think that for many(me included) that is the basis of our concerns. No smoke without fire and all that. They just can't stop tinkering, and not always for the better. Cup draw in Outer Mongolia anyone.....?💰
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:35:50 GMT
where have they said that ? To be fair I don't think they have explicitly. I think it comes down to how much you trust them not to introduce that in the future. Personally, with Harvey at the helm I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Which ain't very far. And I think that for many(me included) that is the basis of our concerns. No smoke without fire and all that. They just can't stop tinkering, and not always for the better. Cup draw in Outer Mongolia anyone.....?💰 thing is i dont think ANYONE is arguing against that, the bit that is wrong in my opinion is chewbacca writing s**t about rovers fans , scabs/ club murdering, immoral, subhuman morons ive seen some s**te written on forums [ and ive done some] but thats piss poor ,
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:58:21 GMT
To be fair I don't think they have explicitly. I think it comes down to how much you trust them not to introduce that in the future. Personally, with Harvey at the helm I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Which ain't very far. And I think that for many(me included) that is the basis of our concerns. No smoke without fire and all that. They just can't stop tinkering, and not always for the better. Cup draw in Outer Mongolia anyone.....?💰 thing is i dont think ANYONE is arguing against that, the bit that is wrong in my opinion is chewbacca writing s*** about rovers fans , scabs/ club murdering, immoral, subhuman morons ive seen some s***e written on forums [ and ive done some] but thats piss poor , You don't have to like my opinion but all I see is people giving the football league the knife to murder lower league football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 11:22:00 GMT
You don't have to like my opinion but all I see is people giving the football league the knife to murder lower league football. You are not getting it all, son. I do like your opinion. I do think any success for the new Football League Trophy is a nail in the coffin of third and fourth division football clubs. I do think it is a travesty that must be defeated. I do think that attending these 'matches' is 'giving the football league the knife to murder lower league football'. I do think BRFC supporters should boycott every Football League Trophy game until the B-teams are removed permanently. What I find unpleasant in the extreme is you calling people buying tickets to watch BRFC 'scabs'. You did not go without food during the miner's strike. You might use vocabulary you better understand. The shame should be with the football league. You calling gasheads 'scabs' means that the shame is all yours. Perhaps you should try to convince ticket-buying gasheads of the merits of your (our) opinion. If you think that the sixty-six all believe that their buying tickets was to the detriment of BRFC, then you just do not get it. Calling them scabs will not work. Calling them scabs will not convince them that you are right. Calling them scabs will not convince anybody else either. It just sounds like animal noises. I believe we both want Football League Trophy attendances to decline towards zero, until the B-Team idea is consigned to history forever. This requires unity, solidarity, and awareness of the consequences of supporters' actions. Internet animal noises from you are not working.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2017 11:26:23 GMT
So you agree with the premise that Premier League and Championship B teams should play in the football league? where have they said that ? Having B teams in this competition is clearly a softener for allowing B teams into the Football League. By attending, you are implying support for that.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 30, 2017 11:30:03 GMT
Yes, exactly what the duck said. People win arguments on this Forum (usually) by reasoned debate. If it's just name-calling - other Forums are available, and indeed encourage that sort of behaviour and language. Bad call Chewy. Poor "bants".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 12:32:30 GMT
Come on guys, Chewy is one of the 'good guys', let's not turn this into some kind of morality contest, it was a poor choice of words, the term still resonates with people of my age, lucky him if he didn't live through it.
Hands up everyone who has never posted anything that they've looked at later and thought that they would rather have expressed their thoughts in a different way. Anybody? Thought not.
Can't we just leave it and move on please?
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 30, 2017 12:54:34 GMT
Come on guys, Chewy is one of the 'good guys', let's not turn this into some kind of morality contest, it was a poor choice of words, the term still resonates with people of my age, lucky him if he didn't live through it. Hands up everyone who has never posted anything that they've looked at later and thought that they would rather have expressed their thoughts in a different way. Anybody? Thought not. Can't we just leave it and move on please? Not sure what all the fuss is about, I agree with everything he said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 12:59:49 GMT
Come on guys, Chewy is one of the 'good guys', let's not turn this into some kind of morality contest, it was a poor choice of words, the term still resonates with people of my age, lucky him if he didn't live through it. Hands up everyone who has never posted anything that they've looked at later and thought that they would rather have expressed their thoughts in a different way. Anybody? Thought not. Can't we just leave it and move on please? Not sure what all the fuss is about, I agree with everything he said. Take that back or I'll get Harry to fight you.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 30, 2017 13:20:22 GMT
Ummmm this has all gone weird.....Agree with Bamber.
Still very much don't like Mrs Brown's Boys, though would not call the pretty canny chap who stars in it 'an Irish Twat' since I kind of like the idea that he annoys so many snobbish people who think they have a monopoly on what is funny - I don't like it but other people seem to so good for them. Don't like the Check-a-Trade thingy at all and agree with Chewy on the sentiment. Still rather partial to Minions but then I l find the aliens in Toy Story funny - so maybe I'm just tickled by that kind of thing. Use of term scab a bit incendiary to put in a thread title given that it refers to other Gasheads (who I think can make up their own minds whether to go to these games or not - I'd rather they didn't though) but I don't think it's completely ridiculous in the context of Chewy's overall argument on this and I'm sure I've seen others use term to describe the same thing last season and it passed without comment. From a family with a strong background in mining communities in which issues around this can still be very raw - but can't say I found use of term in this way particularly offensive to be honest.
I have never particularly had the desire to fight a historian in a car park. Now, we may need a 3D Venn diagram all this.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 13:41:03 GMT
Thing is chewie has already won the debate because not many people disagree with his point the format is wrong.
It's just a question of how you debate and how you go about it.
Which is different to each individual. Jeremy Kyle and Question Time deal with conflict and disagreement all the time in different ways.
Scab seems a perfectly reasonable adjective as no one can come up with anything more accurate in one word. Or if they can, they haven't posted it here yet.
Leave chewie alone, he's free to express himself like anyone else here, and if it's emotionally evoking then the forums all the better for it I think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 13:47:33 GMT
Jeremy Kyle and Question Time deal with conflict and disagreement all the time in different ways. No they don't, one show has a Jackass with a big mouth who shouts at people who hold a different point of view, the other show has a panel of elected Jackasses who ( Laura Pidcock aside) mostly don't shout, but still talk over and totally disregard anybody with a different point of view. What's different? Edit. And I think you've actually provided the rope to hang the original post with, it didn't provide any substance for debate other than using an unpleasant term to label people who were exercising their right to attend a football match. Now, if you think those people are maybe a bit dim and don't understand the format of the competition and the implications, then by all means say so, otherwise, leave them alone. Maybe the reason that nobody else has provided an alternative word is because nobody else thinks they should be labeled in that way But what the heck, I'll give it a bash, here's my alternative thread title, 66 Rovers' Supporters Make The Effort To Attend A Match That They Would probably Rather Wasn't Taking Place, But As It Is, They Wanted To Support Their Boys. Any good?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
This thread reminds me of a virulent bout of chicken pox I once suffered as a child.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2017 14:03:33 GMT
Good job. In two words you have revealed the type of person you are. It was a term of endearment you know Both are useful in their own way
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Post by csssmooth on Aug 30, 2017 14:03:37 GMT
This was always going to be a divisive issue, and I'm not even sure whether this thread is meant to be taken seriously or not. Is it worse to go to Wycombe or shop at Sainsburys who knows. I wouldn't do either. One of my mates who supports Cov had his only good day in a season watching them win a cup no-one else really wanted. I hate both Dad"s Army and Mrs Brown's boys but would really recommend Quacks on BBC2 for anyone wanting a laugh, and probably some olde world cure for scabs
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 30, 2017 14:47:54 GMT
Jeremy Kyle and Question Time deal with conflict and disagreement all the time in different ways. No they don't, one show has a Jackass with a big mouth who shouts at people who hold a different point of view, the other show has a panel of elected Jackasses who ( Laura Pidcock aside) mostly don't shout, but still talk over and totally disregard anybody with a different point of view. What's different? That's actually very similar all bar the shouting. Edit. And I think you've actually provided the rope to hang the original post with, it didn't provide any substance for debate other than using an unpleasant term to label people who were exercising their right to attend a football match. Now, if you think those people are maybe a bit dim and don't understand the format of the competition and the implications, then by all means say so, otherwise, leave them alone. Maybe the reason that nobody else has provided an alternative word is because nobody else thinks they should be labeled in that way But what the heck, I'll give it a bash, here's my alternative thread title, 66 Rovers' Supporters Make The Effort To Attend A Match That They Would probably Rather Wasn't Taking Place, But As It Is, They Wanted To Support Their Boys. Any good? Nope. Sounds similar to to the original thread just a bit poncy.
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