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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 9:55:20 GMT
What a super thread. So far we have someone who has no idea how many members of any given faith attend any given event but he wants to attract more, but only seems interested in directing efforts towards one faith (can't wait to see him going down the road looking for people who look like they may be Muslims so that he can invite them along), we have someone who seems to be suggesting that there's a distinction between being British and being Muslim, and we have a mild-to-moderate slur against Poles. Can't think why the 'Serious Stuff' section got shut down. so people having a discussion is enough to close a forum ? to balance the view poles are tight id say the ones i know work hard and play hard. the reason it was shut down imo was zfc would write inflamotory things at times knowing full well mr gas/kwood gas would bite , i liked the forum and remember a post by oldie pointing out the history of iran 1900-2000 and the interference by the uk/usa very enlightening
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 12:45:08 GMT
To Messers Blue Sky and Bamber Hitchens: you're alright, calm the duck down. The former mis-spoke, and he said he did. The latter, and I say so affectionately, is an increasingly cantankerous sod. Blue Iris's point is of wanting BRFC to attract a larger diverse attendance. And he's onto something that second generation Bristolians who are raised Muslims by parents from overseas, who play and like football, do not appear to be attracted in large numbers to blue and white quarters at the memorial ground. These are not Bristolians whom BRFC are reaching; I suggest those who like the game usually ally themselves to Premier League television clubs. And I repeat that it's hard work, because standing on third division terraces seems most popular when preceeded and followed by the pub. Pubs don't much attract Muslims either. Hence my point that which medieval reinterpretation of ancient middle-eastern folklore a person subscribes to, is not an aspect of diversity I can be bothered to focus on. Shutting down the remaining racism and sectarianism at the Memorial Ground might make more impact. That, and promoting the kind of football people love to see live. I'm sure that, and winning, is what is responsible for increased attendances recently.
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Post by unamused on Jul 25, 2017 14:47:42 GMT
I don't visit the forums outside of the occasional glance during the transfer windows. Part due to these sort of forums being quite outdated now, and also due to seemly being a fair bit younger than the average user on here. Chances are I will not post here again or even come back to read your replies. Though I think its necessary to voice some opposition to this cancer.
Rovers does not need to make its fan base more "diverse" nor would it benefit from doing so. I'd even wager it would harm the club due to locals being driven away by the unwanted and unneeded changes. Most "progressives" mistake people tolerating "diversity" as a sign of them embracing and supporting it. Thanks to increasingly draconian laws we tolerate "diversity" like a victim of an armed robber tolerates handing over their money. My tolerance and the tolerance of many others extends only as far as the law requires. As somebody who has been raised a Gashead and owned my fair share of season tickets. It would sadden me if Rovers went down this route and forced me to turn my back on them, but it isn't a measure I would be unprepared to take.
There are other clubs around who would appreciate the extra income, and they would find themselves in much better standing when this period of PC cancer comes to a close. Fortunately it appears that this will happen sooner rather than later from what I have seen and read about Generation Z. The next generations disdain for PC is something the club would do well to take note of. The youth is the future and all that.
Feel free to call me "racist" or whatever the latest PC memeword is. Trotskyite terms and concepts don't hold any sway on me.
Resume your circlejerk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:52:06 GMT
To Messers Blue Sky and Bamber Hitchens: you're alright, calm the duck down. The former mis-spoke, and he said he did. The latter, and I say so affectionately, is an increasingly cantankerous sod. Blue Iris's point is of wanting BRFC to attract a larger diverse attendance. And he's onto something that second generation Bristolians who are raised Muslims by parents from overseas, who play and like football, do not appear to be attracted in large numbers to blue and white quarters at the memorial ground. These are not Bristolians whom BRFC are reaching; I suggest those who like the game usually ally themselves to Premier League television clubs. And I repeat that it's hard work, because standing on third division terraces seems most popular when preceeded and followed by the pub. Pubs don't much attract Muslims either. Hence my point that which medieval reinterpretation of ancient middle-eastern folklore a person subscribes to, is not an aspect of diversity I can be bothered to focus on. Shutting down the remaining racism and sectarianism at the Memorial Ground might make more impact. That, and promoting the kind of football people love to see live. I'm sure that, and winning, is what is responsible for increased attendances recently. Thats how i should have worded my op,its what i was trying to express so well put.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 14:56:59 GMT
I don't visit the forums outside of the occasional glance during the transfer windows. Part due to these sort of forums being quite outdated now, and also due to seemly being a fair bit younger than the average user on here. Chances are I will not post here again or even come back to read your replies. Though I think its necessary to voice some opposition to this cancer. Rovers does not need to make its fan base more "diverse" nor would it benefit from doing so. I'd even wager it would harm the club due to locals being driven away by the unwanted and unneeded changes. Most "progressives" mistake people tolerating "diversity" as a sign of them embracing and supporting it. Thanks to increasingly draconian laws we tolerate "diversity" like a victim of an armed robber tolerates handing over their money. My tolerance and the tolerance of many others extends only as far as the law requires. As somebody who has been raised a Gashead and owned my fair share of season tickets. It would sadden me if Rovers went down this route and forced me to turn my back on them, but it isn't a measure I would be unprepared to take. There are other clubs around who would appreciate the extra income, and they would find themselves in much better standing when this period of PC cancer comes to a close. Fortunately it appears that this will happen sooner rather than later from what I have seen and read about Generation Z. The next generations disdain for PC is something the club would do well to take note of. The youth is the future and all that. Feel free to call me "racist" or whatever the latest PC memeword is. Trotskyite terms and concepts don't hold any sway on me. Resume your circlejerk. Racist.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 25, 2017 15:28:21 GMT
I don't visit the forums outside of the occasional glance during the transfer windows. Part due to these sort of forums being quite outdated now, and also due to seemly being a fair bit younger than the average user on here. Chances are I will not post here again or even come back to read your replies. Though I think its necessary to voice some opposition to this cancer. Rovers does not need to make its fan base more "diverse" nor would it benefit from doing so. I'd even wager it would harm the club due to locals being driven away by the unwanted and unneeded changes. Most "progressives" mistake people tolerating "diversity" as a sign of them embracing and supporting it. Thanks to increasingly draconian laws we tolerate "diversity" like a victim of an armed robber tolerates handing over their money. My tolerance and the tolerance of many others extends only as far as the law requires. As somebody who has been raised a Gashead and owned my fair share of season tickets. It would sadden me if Rovers went down this route and forced me to turn my back on them, but it isn't a measure I would be unprepared to take. There are other clubs around who would appreciate the extra income, and they would find themselves in much better standing when this period of PC cancer comes to a close. Fortunately it appears that this will happen sooner rather than later from what I have seen and read about Generation Z. The next generations disdain for PC is something the club would do well to take note of. The youth is the future and all that. Feel free to call me "racist" or whatever the latest PC memeword is. Trotskyite terms and concepts don't hold any sway on me. Resume your circlejerk. I applaud you attempt at a wind-up because no way can that be a serious post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 15:52:42 GMT
I don't visit the forums outside of the occasional glance during the transfer windows. Part due to these sort of forums being quite outdated now, and also due to seemly being a fair bit younger than the average user on here. Chances are I will not post here again or even come back to read your replies. Though I think its necessary to voice some opposition to this cancer. Rovers does not need to make its fan base more "diverse" nor would it benefit from doing so. I'd even wager it would harm the club due to locals being driven away by the unwanted and unneeded changes. Most "progressives" mistake people tolerating "diversity" as a sign of them embracing and supporting it. Thanks to increasingly draconian laws we tolerate "diversity" like a victim of an armed robber tolerates handing over their money. My tolerance and the tolerance of many others extends only as far as the law requires. As somebody who has been raised a Gashead and owned my fair share of season tickets. It would sadden me if Rovers went down this route and forced me to turn my back on them, but it isn't a measure I would be unprepared to take. There are other clubs around who would appreciate the extra income, and they would find themselves in much better standing when this period of PC cancer comes to a close. Fortunately it appears that this will happen sooner rather than later from what I have seen and read about Generation Z. The next generations disdain for PC is something the club would do well to take note of. The youth is the future and all that. Feel free to call me "racist" or whatever the latest PC memeword is. Trotskyite terms and concepts don't hold any sway on me. Resume your circlejerk. Here's hoping.
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Post by c13 on Jul 25, 2017 16:45:15 GMT
I don't visit the forums outside of the occasional glance during the transfer windows. Part due to these sort of forums being quite outdated now, and also due to seemly being a fair bit younger than the average user on here. Chances are I will not post here again or even come back to read your replies. Though I think its necessary to voice some opposition to this cancer. Rovers does not need to make its fan base more "diverse" nor would it benefit from doing so. I'd even wager it would harm the club due to locals being driven away by the unwanted and unneeded changes. Most "progressives" mistake people tolerating "diversity" as a sign of them embracing and supporting it. Thanks to increasingly draconian laws we tolerate "diversity" like a victim of an armed robber tolerates handing over their money. My tolerance and the tolerance of many others extends only as far as the law requires. As somebody who has been raised a Gashead and owned my fair share of season tickets. It would sadden me if Rovers went down this route and forced me to turn my back on them, but it isn't a measure I would be unprepared to take. There are other clubs around who would appreciate the extra income, and they would find themselves in much better standing when this period of PC cancer comes to a close. Fortunately it appears that this will happen sooner rather than later from what I have seen and read about Generation Z. The next generations disdain for PC is something the club would do well to take note of. The youth is the future and all that. Feel free to call me "racist" or whatever the latest PC memeword is. Trotskyite terms and concepts don't hold any sway on me. Resume your circlejerk. "The next generation's disdain for PC"? My god. Yet another aspiring supremacist thinking that the redpill subreddit or 4chan boards are the entire world. Grow the **** up.
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Post by dido on Jul 25, 2017 16:51:29 GMT
I'd ignore it.........if I could understand it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 17:04:16 GMT
To Messers Blue Sky and Bamber Hitchens: you're alright, calm the duck down. The former mis-spoke, and he said he did. The latter, and I say so affectionately, is an increasingly cantankerous sod. Blue Iris's point is of wanting BRFC to attract a larger diverse attendance. And he's onto something that second generation Bristolians who are raised Muslims by parents from overseas, who play and like football, do not appear to be attracted in large numbers to blue and white quarters at the memorial ground. These are not Bristolians whom BRFC are reaching; I suggest those who like the game usually ally themselves to Premier League television clubs. And I repeat that it's hard work, because standing on third division terraces seems most popular when preceeded and followed by the pub. Pubs don't much attract Muslims either. Hence my point that which medieval reinterpretation of ancient middle-eastern folklore a person subscribes to, is not an aspect of diversity I can be bothered to focus on. Shutting down the remaining racism and sectarianism at the Memorial Ground might make more impact. That, and promoting the kind of football people love to see live. I'm sure that, and winning, is what is responsible for increased attendances recently. At the risk of appearing argumentative, can you provide anything to support you 'feeling' that 2nd generation people from one religious group are less likely to attend 3rd tier football matches than any other 2nd generation group within society? If not, why choose that one group? I don't know for sure but suspect that some proper research has been done into these issues, if Blue Sky is serious, why is he wasting his time rattling on about it here, why isn't he investigating the subject properly and then drafting a report to present to our BoD? Just wishing for something on a low grade message board isn't going to make it pop into existence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 17:41:35 GMT
To Messers Blue Sky and Bamber Hitchens: you're alright, calm the duck down. The former mis-spoke, and he said he did. The latter, and I say so affectionately, is an increasingly cantankerous sod. Blue Iris's point is of wanting BRFC to attract a larger diverse attendance. And he's onto something that second generation Bristolians who are raised Muslims by parents from overseas, who play and like football, do not appear to be attracted in large numbers to blue and white quarters at the memorial ground. These are not Bristolians whom BRFC are reaching; I suggest those who like the game usually ally themselves to Premier League television clubs. And I repeat that it's hard work, because standing on third division terraces seems most popular when preceeded and followed by the pub. Pubs don't much attract Muslims either. Hence my point that which medieval reinterpretation of ancient middle-eastern folklore a person subscribes to, is not an aspect of diversity I can be bothered to focus on. Shutting down the remaining racism and sectarianism at the Memorial Ground might make more impact. That, and promoting the kind of football people love to see live. I'm sure that, and winning, is what is responsible for increased attendances recently. At the risk of appearing argumentative, can you provide anything to support you 'feeling' that 2nd generation people from one religious group are less likely to attend 3rd tier football matches than any other 2nd generation group within society? If not, why choose that one group? I don't know for sure but suspect that some proper research has been done into these issues, if Blue Sky is serious, why is he wasting his time rattling on about it here, why isn't he investigating the subject properly and then drafting a report to present to our BoD? Just wishing for something on a low grade message board isn't going to make it pop into existence. how weird? do you forward all your intricate thoughts on uwe to the board to help them make the project happen? For the 2 years you were telling all and sundry on here that darrell clarke was totally useless were you passing this onto the club so they could sack him? Why does my thread have some special need for me to present my ideas to the club but not all the other threads?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 19:25:23 GMT
At the risk of appearing argumentative... It's who you are, Sir. Don't resist it. ...can you provide anything to support you 'feeling' that 2nd generation people from one religious group are less likely to attend 3rd tier football matches than any other 2nd generation group within society? No, of course not. For how long have we been conducting research before discussing our impressions on a 'low grade' message board? I am asserting, yes without evidence, that I think Atheists, Jews, Christians, Rastafarians, Sikhs, and polytheists all are more likely to enjoy the combination of pints in the pub and shouting or singing on the terraces of the Memorial Ground than are Muslims, who are in the main not supposed to drink alcohol. Since the pub (or stadium bars) are so often and widely combined by BRFC supporters, I believe this does not especially attract adherents of Islam. So second-generation Bristolians of West Indian parentage (as an example less likely Muslim) should be easier to attract, since they are more likely people with whom we share a local pub. You have not even disagreed with me. I am not sure it even matters a jot, but I am willing to assert that I think it. If not, why choose that one group? That was Mr Blue Sky, who has since clarified his position, and is really just keen to see more diversity and greater numbers at the Rovers. Religion's not the issue. Is it? ...low grade message board... How dare you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 20:34:17 GMT
At the risk of appearing argumentative... It's who you are, Sir. Don't resist it. ...can you provide anything to support you 'feeling' that 2nd generation people from one religious group are less likely to attend 3rd tier football matches than any other 2nd generation group within society? No, of course not. For how long have we been conducting research before discussing our impressions on a 'low grade' message board? I am asserting, yes without evidence, that I think Atheists, Jews, Christians, Rastafarians, Sikhs, and polytheists all are more likely to enjoy the combination of pints in the pub and shouting or singing on the terraces of the Memorial Ground than are Muslims, who are in the main not supposed to drink alcohol. Since the pub (or stadium bars) are so often and widely combined by BRFC supporters, I believe this does not especially attract adherents of Islam. So second-generation Bristolians of West Indian parentage (as an example less likely Muslim) should be easier to attract, since they are more likely people with whom we share a local pub. You have not even disagreed with me. I am not sure it even matters a jot, but I am willing to assert that I think it. If not, why choose that one group? That was Mr Blue Sky, who has since clarified his position, and is really just keen to see more diversity and greater numbers at the Rovers. Religion's not the issue. Is it? ...low grade message board... How dare you? I'm not convinced that beer is necessarily an insurmountable barrier to attracting followers of Islam to football matches. Sounds a bit of an odd argument to me when we would be discussing (in this instance) somebody who makes all of their leisure time decisions on the basis that they will be sober. It's not as if you are taking a drunkard and telling him he can't enjoy his poison if he attends a football match, in that scenario you may have a point. I have no idea if religion is the issue, or an issue at all, that's why it may be a good idea to speak to people who have looked into this before spouting off nonsense about wanting 500 Muslims at a home match. Keep your guard up, that bloke stood next to you could well worship Hanuman! If Blue Sky finds out about that we'll have to find a quota of those to attend every game as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 21:51:30 GMT
I'm not convinced that beer is necessarily an insurmountable barrier to attracting followers of Islam to football matches... Me either. But I'm willing to assert that I think the following are in order of population at the Memorial Ground. Sorry if I'm wrong. - Gloucester Road drinkers - groups of mates
- Stadium drinkers - groups of mates
- Families
- Stone cold sober groups of mates
I'm willing to assert that abstention from alcohol makes watching BRFC less popularly appealing. But I've done this to death. I would love to see MORE Bristolians support BRFC at the Memorial Ground. This does mean greater diversity, but as the means rather than an end to itself. Some schools I know in the London Boroughs of Haringey and Enfield are Tottenham Hotspur schools. Some kids at them follow Arsenal for their own (presumably family) reasons. But the football-interested kids not so influenced by family are exposed to THFC's schools and community work from primary school. Players visit the schools. Kids are taken on THFC trips. This is what I would like to see. Kids at schools north and east of Bristol city centre growing up with a BRFC school identity. Kids' parents' religion can howl at the moon for all I care. EDIT: To conclude, manage to get sufficient Bristolian schoolkids to feel a BRFC identity and diversity should take care of itself within a generation.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 25, 2017 22:07:58 GMT
Difficult subject and not sure how to word the thread title but there is a huge untapped potential for increased and even a more diverse fan base. Trouble is people I work with don't seem comfortable with the idea of actually going to games although it must be said they follow arsenal and Chelsea with great interest on tv. Is it possible to change this for Bristol rovers and maybe football in general or am I being naïve? If you had been with me on the day either an Indian or Pakistani was the Lino or should I say assistant ref ? This was on the West side, you would probably have been as angry and disgusted as I was. The things being shouted were nothing short of obscene. What made it worse was there was an Indian/Pakistani fan there, with his young boy. I felt compelled to apologise even though it wasn't I who had said anything, the guy turned to me, tears of anger in his eyes and said but do you think it's right ? I obviously said no & explained why I felt compelled to apologise, for the idiots around me. I never saw him back again, well .., you just wouldn't, Would you ? Sadly, there are still a great many who hold extreme views and they get much braver when in sympathetic company & with a few pints onboard we also used to have 5-6 Black guys turn up each home game & I have not seen them in the last 3 seasons. I think you are onto something here and maybe the club could make it one of its priorities, to actively encourage those people and make us a truly and fully inclusive club. As you may probably know, I sometimes go to the 82's games and I see so many more of both sets of those two groups, as a percentage. It really does need addressing and yes, I did email the club about it and they did put more stewards there but the damage had already been done
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 22:15:42 GMT
It's still there, isn't it? You're at the ground a whole lot more than I am. It's this bulls**t which has to go. Gasheads need to express to such offenders what we consider to be the limits of acceptable behaviour. And it's not just officials and opponents. I cannot be the only one to suspect that some of the s**t Ellis Harrison gets comes from similar prejudice?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 25, 2017 22:16:41 GMT
You can say the same for Sikhs, Hindus, Pagans, Satanists and Scientologists. I'm not a fan of pigeon holing folk.. Bath City tried to bring in extra support by special offers to select groups, all very well but the regular crowd (can justifiably?) feel they are being discriminating by being loyal. We tried it last season with special offer to services personnel. I'm not sure how much extra was brought in? There are only two select group that deserve encouraging imo, kids and rovers fans. Loyalty should be rewarded, kids should be encouraged with special offers, whatever their faith.. I'm sorry 02 but that made I laugh as the tickets that were given out to services, many of them were sold on rather than used. I know that once you have a ticket, it's up to you what you do with it but I found it pretty wrong that they were sold on and especially when given for free just one more thing that shows we are no longer gasfamily but, as you said, more gas community. I cannot write this without admitting that I had been given ST's last season and because certain people wanted to show their kindness and generosity, due to my health crap. I just normally get the early bird tickets but I shall be looking at buying a flexi ticket, that way I can miss a couple of games but not miss out on the money paid. I have 2 friends that rarely go yet buy ST's just so they can say they truly support the club. Fair play to that
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 25, 2017 22:23:17 GMT
There may well be lots of white british looking muslims going to matches but i doubt it. Its very noticeable to me when im at a football match how there is virtually no ethnic diversity compared to say a trip to the mall or at my work place. Maybe saying "muslims" wasnt the correct term but what im trying to get at is there is massive potential to increase our support and revenue in this area. With an average gate of less than 10,000 in a catchment area of what 1m you are right to say there is massive potential. You're wrong to bring race and religion in to the argument though to satisfy your latent PC racism. Please explain how it's latent in any way CGH ? I think it's something we could have and should have tried to address years ago. Like it or not, we still have a lot of racist fans. It really is untapped potential and my own opinion is that the OP is a raises a valid point
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 22:24:10 GMT
Difficult subject and not sure how to word the thread title but there is a huge untapped potential for increased and even a more diverse fan base. Trouble is people I work with don't seem comfortable with the idea of actually going to games although it must be said they follow arsenal and Chelsea with great interest on tv. Is it possible to change this for Bristol rovers and maybe football in general or am I being naïve? If you had been with me on the day either an Indian or Pakistani was the Lino or should I say assistant ref ? This was on the West side, you would probably have been as angry and disgusted as I was. The things being shouted were nothing short of obscene. What made it worse was there was an Indian/Pakistani fan there, with his young boy. I felt compelled to apologise even though it wasn't I who had said anything, the guy turned to me, tears of anger in his eyes and said but do you think it's right ? I obviously said no & explained why I felt compelled to apologise, for the idiots around me. I never saw him back again, well .., you just wouldn't, Would you ? Sadly, there are still a great many who hold extreme views and they get much braver when in sympathetic company & with a few pints onboard we also used to have 5-6 Black guys turn up each home game & I have not seen them in the last 3 seasons. I think you are onto something here and maybe the club could make it one of its priorities, to actively encourage those people and make us a truly and fully inclusive club. As you may probably know, I sometimes go to the 82's games and I see so many more of both sets of those two groups, as a percentage. It really does need addressing and yes, I did email the club about it and they did put more stewards there but the damage had already been done Yes i agree. If i was say a somalian who likes my football and wanted to watch a live game at rovers i would be nervous. If somehow the club had a campaign of sorts to attract ethnic minorities from near the ground and we could get say 100 going regularly i think it would just become the norm for them to go to matches. But its getting to that sort of number thats the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 22:34:20 GMT
Please explain how it's latent in any way CGH ? I think it's something we could have and should have tried to address years ago. Like it or not, we still have a lot of racist fans. It really is untapped potential and my own opinion is that the OP is a raises a valid point It's not latent. CGH alleged that Bluesky's OP was borne of latent PC (presumably by implication anti-white) racism, because Bluesky wanted to see greater diversity and volume of BRFC support, but worded it in a way interpreted contrary to his intentions. CGH was just taking a cheap potshot at Bluesky, who is hardly 'PC' and has said nothing racist that I have noticed. Respect to Bluesky and Jools for acknowledging the problem of racism at the Memorial Ground, and its effect upon BRFC's diversity of support. I hope and believe it's a tiny minority responsible. But they do still seem to get away with it sometimes. Get rid I say.
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