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Post by bloogas on May 17, 2017 21:32:33 GMT
I find the notion that we should know - and stand by to criticise (whatever the number, it could be higher) - how much of their money someone else is ploughing in a bit distasteful and unsupportable. That applied to the old lot as well as the new lot. I still think the key is what it's spent on and the extent to which the club becomes self-supporting. As it is, whatever next year's budget, I sense we're not in the territory of flogging anyone or anything that might raise a few bob. That's good and puts us in the realms of building-on from and Improving what we've got . I don't really want to be mega-flushed and out-bidding others to buy anyone who we might fancy to stash away in the squad. Within those broad parameters, what the actual figure is is only significant to a very small number of people. Good luck to them. I agree, & would only add that why would our owners want to tell the whole football world what they've got to spend? But some on these forums got no business acumen whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 21:52:50 GMT
We will have a rough idea of the playing budget by september 1st
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Post by LincsBlue on May 18, 2017 1:12:22 GMT
We will have a rough idea of the playing budget by september 1st September 1st? We need to know right now! Jeezuz, some people.......
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Post by TaiwanGas on May 18, 2017 4:28:51 GMT
The budget will be whatever Wael decides it will be, I'm happy with that, the actual amount is not of interest to me, only that it is spent as wisely as possible and it is enough to satisfy Darrel.
Wael has made it very clear that he is building the club from the base foundations up, if this means he has a smaller budget to offer for the new season due to other financial commitments or circumstance, such as a new training ground or new stadium, surely we have to accept that, well I do.
Our man at the top moves in some pretty elite circles both in football and in business, I am sure that he will be doing absolutely everything possible to prove that his belief in the potential of the Gas is justifiable, not just in the footballing World, but first and foremost to his family, he will not have forever to achieve this, he will need to show interested parties solid, sustainable and continued progress ongoing, and god forbid the word profit!. It is a tough challenge for our maestro, but if anybody can do it, I believe Wael can!.
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Post by crater on May 18, 2017 8:40:25 GMT
How long a player with an injury is out for is not made public so how the fook can anyone with half a brain cell expect the playing budget to be made public? Has a club in the history of football ever made such information public? Wouldn't be a good negotiating tatic when attempting to buy a player/agree a salary etc.
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Post by irishrover on May 18, 2017 12:31:04 GMT
How long a player with an injury is out for is not made public so how the fook can anyone with half a brain cell expect the playing budget to be made public? Has a club in the history of football ever made such information public? Wouldn't be a good negotiating tatic when attempting to buy a player/agree a salary etc. How many people would know what it meant even if it was released? Surely it only makes sense relative to the playing budget of other clubs we are competing with to sign players.
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Post by harrybuckle on May 18, 2017 14:31:05 GMT
brexit means brexit
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 14:59:21 GMT
How long a player with an injury is out for is not made public so how the fook can anyone with half a brain cell expect the playing budget to be made public? Has a club in the history of football ever made such information public? Wouldn't be a good negotiating tatic when attempting to buy a player/agree a salary etc. How many people would know what it meant even if it was released? Surely it only makes sense relative to the playing budget of other clubs we are competing with to sign players. Exactly. Agents would know what it meant, and that wouldn't help negotiations. And to be blunt, what players earn may be mildly interesting, but it's none of our business. Once accounts are released we can retrospectively approximate our wage budget, 60% of turnover max. Of course, that assumes that it isn't stated in the accounts?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 18:05:14 GMT
The budget will be whatever Wael decides it will be, I'm happy with that, the actual amount is not of interest to me, only that it is spent as wisely as possible and it is enough to satisfy Darrel. Wael has made it very clear that he is building the club from the base foundations up, if this means he has a smaller budget to offer for the new season due to other financial commitments or circumstance, such as a new training ground or new stadium, surely we have to accept that, well I do. Our man at the top moves in some pretty elite circles both in football and in business, I am sure that he will be doing absolutely everything possible to prove that his belief in the potential of the Gas is justifiable, not just in the footballing World, but first and foremost to his family, he will not have forever to achieve this, he will need to show interested parties solid, sustainable and continued progress ongoing, and god forbid the word profit!. It is a tough challenge for our maestro, but if anybody can do it, I believe Wael can!. Totally agree with this, the thirst for more inside information that should not be privvy to fans continues to grow, and then if anything slips out its ammunition to beat the club with a stick if in the eyes of some, such as this season, some cannot seem to accept a top 10 finish without a subsequent promotion via the play offs. Some of the nonsense spouted on the other forum has driven me to leave, its a wonder why some of these people bother with football, and if at all they are true Gasheads. Perhaps the club should reverse this growing trend, issue a mandate, by asking fans how much they spend per season on tickets and club merchandise, and while they are at it ask them why they aren't spending more on the club! One thing I really like about the new administration is how everything is being kept under wraps and the only thing the fans witness are actions and not words, no shortage of actions in the past 12 months either.
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Post by kegandeg on May 18, 2017 18:58:16 GMT
Most of us couldn't even afford the bill where this so called meeting took place, can't see wael scrimping somehow, just hope Darrell knew which cutlery to pick up first as it could have been a deal breaker.
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Post by a more piratey game on May 18, 2017 19:11:46 GMT
Most of us couldn't even afford the bill where this so called meeting took place, can't see wael scrimping somehow, just hope Darrell knew which cutlery to pick up first as it could have been a deal breaker. do you think Wael is snobby then?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 19:21:05 GMT
The budget will be whatever Wael decides it will be, I'm happy with that, the actual amount is not of interest to me, only that it is spent as wisely as possible and it is enough to satisfy Darrel. Wael has made it very clear that he is building the club from the base foundations up, if this means he has a smaller budget to offer for the new season due to other financial commitments or circumstance, such as a new training ground or new stadium, surely we have to accept that, well I do. Our man at the top moves in some pretty elite circles both in football and in business, I am sure that he will be doing absolutely everything possible to prove that his belief in the potential of the Gas is justifiable, not just in the footballing World, but first and foremost to his family, he will not have forever to achieve this, he will need to show interested parties solid, sustainable and continued progress ongoing, and god forbid the word profit!. It is a tough challenge for our maestro, but if anybody can do it, I believe Wael can!. Totally agree with this, the thirst for more inside information that should not be privvy to fans continues to grow, and then if anything slips out its ammunition to beat the club with a stick if in the eyes of some, such as this season, some cannot seem to accept a top 10 finish without a subsequent promotion via the play offs. Some of the nonsense spouted on the other forum has driven me to leave, its a wonder why some of these people bother with football, and if at all they are true Gasheads.Perhaps the club should reverse this growing trend, issue a mandate, by asking fans how much they spend per season on tickets and club merchandise, and while they are at it ask them why they aren't spending more on the club! One thing I really like about the new administration is how everything is being kept under wraps and the only thing the fans witness are actions and not words, no shortage of actions in the past 12 months either. What have they been saying to make you think they don't want what's best for the club? Not having a go at you, but if ticketing and merchandising wasn't stuck in the stone age, they would have some idea who was spending what.
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Post by warehamgas on May 18, 2017 22:42:45 GMT
The budget will be whatever Wael decides it will be, I'm happy with that, the actual amount is not of interest to me, only that it is spent as wisely as possible and it is enough to satisfy Darrel. Wael has made it very clear that he is building the club from the base foundations up, if this means he has a smaller budget to offer for the new season due to other financial commitments or circumstance, such as a new training ground or new stadium, surely we have to accept that, well I do. Our man at the top moves in some pretty elite circles both in football and in business, I am sure that he will be doing absolutely everything possible to prove that his belief in the potential of the Gas is justifiable, not just in the footballing World, but first and foremost to his family, he will not have forever to achieve this, he will need to show interested parties solid, sustainable and continued progress ongoing, and god forbid the word profit!. It is a tough challenge for our maestro, but if anybody can do it, I believe Wael can!. Totally agree with this, the thirst for more inside information that should not be privvy to fans continues to grow, and then if anything slips out its ammunition to beat the club with a stick if in the eyes of some, such as this season, some cannot seem to accept a top 10 finish without a subsequent promotion via the play offs. Some of the nonsense spouted on the other forum has driven me to leave, its a wonder why some of these people bother with football, and if at all they are true Gasheads. Perhaps the club should reverse this growing trend, issue a mandate, by asking fans how much they spend per season on tickets and club merchandise, and while they are at it ask them why they aren't spending more on the club! One thing I really like about the new administration is how everything is being kept under wraps and the only thing the fans witness are actions and not words, no shortage of actions in the past 12 months either. Great couple of posts. Our owners have been completely true to their word. Steady growth, plenty of improvements, plans to build an academy and training centre which will help future development of our younger players. Hope the UWE or equivalent happens but I'm glad our owners are fighting to get the best deal for BRFC or we could find ourselves in 5-6 years time in a Coventry/Oxford situation. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 14:27:39 GMT
Totally agree with this, the thirst for more inside information that should not be privvy to fans continues to grow, and then if anything slips out its ammunition to beat the club with a stick if in the eyes of some, such as this season, some cannot seem to accept a top 10 finish without a subsequent promotion via the play offs. Some of the nonsense spouted on the other forum has driven me to leave, its a wonder why some of these people bother with football, and if at all they are true Gasheads.Perhaps the club should reverse this growing trend, issue a mandate, by asking fans how much they spend per season on tickets and club merchandise, and while they are at it ask them why they aren't spending more on the club! One thing I really like about the new administration is how everything is being kept under wraps and the only thing the fans witness are actions and not words, no shortage of actions in the past 12 months either. What have they been saying to make you think they don't want what's best for the club? Not having a go at you, but if ticketing and merchandising wasn't stuck in the stone age, they would have some idea who was spending what. Wanting the best for the club IMO is letting those in charge get on with the job, a job that in such a short space of time is being done extremely well. The club has never been in better and nor has it been more professionally run than it is today, behind the scenes the speed of development has been incredible, yet the mindless are out to critisise in a way I find mind boggling, the negativity in some people is astounding. If people actually listened to what WAQ said from day one about building a sustainable future for the FC without flitting millions and rushing into making snap decisions then they would realise that harking on about negative points is a waste of time, I don't think he will be drawn into appeasing the whingers, nor should he. Very easy to pick on the ticketing system while the new owners are working tirelessly to build a new home for the club fit for the 21st century, everything will fall into place over time, and sadly people will still whinge in the meantime, something i personally find baffling given the history of the club in being run like a pub team.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:05:53 GMT
What have they been saying to make you think they don't want what's best for the club? Not having a go at you, but if ticketing and merchandising wasn't stuck in the stone age, they would have some idea who was spending what. Wanting the best for the club IMO is letting those in charge get on with the job, a job that in such a short space of time is being done extremely well. The club has never been in better and nor has it been more professionally run than it is today, behind the scenes the speed of development has been incredible, yet the mindless are out to critisise in a way I find mind boggling, the negativity in some people is astounding. If people actually listened to what WAQ said from day one about building a sustainable future for the FC without flitting millions and rushing into making snap decisions then they would realise that harking on about negative points is a waste of time, I don't think he will be drawn into appeasing the whingers, nor should he. Very easy to pick on the ticketing system while the new owners are working tirelessly to build a new home for the club fit for the 21st century, everything will fall into place over time, and sadly people will still whinge in the meantime, something i personally find baffling given the history of the club in being run like a pub team. Is a dire playing season acceptable in 2017-18 while the club gets everything sorted out for sustainable growth?
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Post by nailseagas36 on May 19, 2017 15:41:53 GMT
Well i have seen the excel spreadsheet and the amazing power point presented to the board and i can confirm we will be making firm efforts to bring Messi, Gareth Bale from Real, Costa from Chelsea and Progba from Man Utd to the Memorial Stadium, UWE stadium is fully funded, after a such a good season the board has every confidence we achieve great things this season and the transfer budget as well as wage budget will reflect this. (then the wife said to get off that bloody game before i end up wearing my tea)
on a serious note - Wael has said from day one evolution not revolution, this doesn't mean as some naysayers and certain 6 fingers knuckles draggers think that Wael has no money and "he isn't a real Billionaire" unlike the great Bristol sport franchise director pantsdown.
if Wael feels that we can realistically push onto the championship and compete ( unlike a certain other team who shall remain nameless) then i am sure he will make the necessary funds available to DC, he also understands that from a fan's point of view that it's is almost seen as a rite of passage for a new owner to provide a very healthy transfer kitty to prove they have the club best interest at heart.
so far since Wael has been in charge, all debt paid off , training ground bought and paid for, work started, new kit supplier, infrastructure investment being made over the summer to give the mem a much needed lick of paint , pitch drainage being sorted. so not like he has come in , asset stripped the club, made no investment and demanded we change the name and club colours.
every interview i have seen , he comes across a genuine man and has developed a strong attachment for our little club and wants to help us achieve everything we can, but these thing take time, he isn't an mansur or an abromoivich a bored oil tycoon with more money than brain's we can't sell the naming right to our training ground, or get a sponsor for the training kit or the club bog roll, we don't get the millions in TV money, we have build our reputation since that dreadful day in 2014 by hard work and results on the pitch. we are now recognised as an up and coming club heading in the right directions.
can you imagine these boards if we had made the playoffs - the world and if wife would be calling for 10 million transfer budget and immediate build of UWE. every lower end prem club and championship would be calling DC with Job offers.
Wise man he say " shut the F*** up and when there is something you need too know you will know"
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Post by trunky on May 19, 2017 16:00:35 GMT
Wanting the best for the club IMO is letting those in charge get on with the job, a job that in such a short space of time is being done extremely well. The club has never been in better and nor has it been more professionally run than it is today, behind the scenes the speed of development has been incredible, yet the mindless are out to critisise in a way I find mind boggling, the negativity in some people is astounding. If people actually listened to what WAQ said from day one about building a sustainable future for the FC without flitting millions and rushing into making snap decisions then they would realise that harking on about negative points is a waste of time, I don't think he will be drawn into appeasing the whingers, nor should he. Very easy to pick on the ticketing system while the new owners are working tirelessly to build a new home for the club fit for the 21st century, everything will fall into place over time, and sadly people will still whinge in the meantime, something i personally find baffling given the history of the club in being run like a pub team. Is a dire playing season acceptable in 2017-18 while the club gets everything sorted out for sustainable growth?
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Post by trunky on May 19, 2017 16:03:23 GMT
The club has never been better run because we have a fantastic manager if it wasn't for him apart from improved training facilities I fail to see much difference in the running of the club from previous seasons.
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Post by Alveston Gas on May 19, 2017 16:33:46 GMT
The club has never been better run because we have a fantastic manager if it wasn't for him apart from improved training facilities I fail to see much difference in the running of the club from previous seasons. Really......?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 16:47:08 GMT
What have they been saying to make you think they don't want what's best for the club? Not having a go at you, but if ticketing and merchandising wasn't stuck in the stone age, they would have some idea who was spending what. Wanting the best for the club IMO is letting those in charge get on with the job, a job that in such a short space of time is being done extremely well. The club has never been in better and nor has it been more professionally run than it is today, behind the scenes the speed of development has been incredible, yet the mindless are out to critisise in a way I find mind boggling, the negativity in some people is astounding. If people actually listened to what WAQ said from day one about building a sustainable future for the FC without flitting millions and rushing into making snap decisions then they would realise that harking on about negative points is a waste of time, I don't think he will be drawn into appeasing the whingers, nor should he. Very easy to pick on the ticketing system while the new owners are working tirelessly to build a new home for the club fit for the 21st century, everything will fall into place over time, and sadly people will still whinge in the meantime, something i personally find baffling given the history of the club in being run like a pub team. Sorry, but you probably won't be surprised to hear that I don't agree. When the times were good in the past we sat on our hands and did nothing about getting communication and marketing sorted, we're doing it again. This stuff produces profits in real time, there's no excuse for not dealing with it, especially as the playing budget is directly linked to income, and also we are going to have rather a lot of seats to fill in a couple of years. Don't misunderstand, I'm first in line to applaud what's been done so far in other areas, but when you see basics apparently being ignored it does make you raise an eyebrow and ask who is supposed to be dealing with it? And you've still not given examples of what people are saying that make you think that they don't want what's best for Rovers, I'm genuinely interested.
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