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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 19, 2016 9:18:19 GMT
no more than the current training grounds Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents why do you mention SBL harry - do Rovers do something there already?
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Post by pirateer on Sept 19, 2016 9:26:51 GMT
no more than the current training grounds Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents I don't see the location being an issue; the attraction of a level 2 academy is what matters. Parents follow their kids all over the country watching their kids play for academy sides anyway, so its surely comes down to a choice of who has the best set up & chance of progression between Rovers, C*ty or the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Cardiff etc who have a presence locally. Parents from Bristol already take kids to bath for the Southampton academy 3 times a week, so getting to almondsbury can't be any worse surely??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 9:46:55 GMT
Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents I don't see the location being an issue; the attraction of a level 2 academy is what matters. Parents follow their kids all over the country watching their kids play for academy sides anyway, so its surely comes down to a choice of who has the best set up & chance of progression between Rovers, C*ty or the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Cardiff etc who have a presence locally. Parents from Bristol already take kids to bath for the Southampton academy 3 times a week, so getting to almondsbury can't be any worse surely?? My neighbour takes his boy from Totnes to Yeovil for his training so I don't see an issue if the child and parents are hungry enough.
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Post by irishrover on Sept 19, 2016 10:19:56 GMT
Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents I don't see the location being an issue; the attraction of a level 2 academy is what matters. Parents follow their kids all over the country watching their kids play for academy sides anyway, so its surely comes down to a choice of who has the best set up & chance of progression between Rovers, C*ty or the likes of Southampton, West Brom, Cardiff etc who have a presence locally. Parents from Bristol already take kids to bath for the Southampton academy 3 times a week, so getting to almondsbury can't be any worse surely?? Also I'd argue that, while that might be a reasonable point to make re; Golden Hill, SBL on the other hand is an absolute nightmare to get at from pretty much everywhere in Bristol and has almost non-existent public transport links.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 19, 2016 10:31:02 GMT
Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents why do you mention SBL harry - do Rovers do something there already? Rovers use Sir Bernard Lovell school for training and matches have done for many years.
The Keynsham Town Fc 3G pitch is well used by Southampton FC....pity Rovers cannot get a slot there as so many youngsters around that area would be worth coaching.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 19, 2016 10:37:39 GMT
why do you mention SBL harry - do Rovers do something there already? Rovers use Sir Bernard Lovell school for training and matches have done for many years.
ta - now I know I might wander by when walking the dog* etc
*not a euphemism Doctor
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Post by The Concept on Sept 19, 2016 11:26:19 GMT
On a training pitch?! That's how the residents cope!I don't think the proximity of the motorway would interfere with training. Yeah, I got that bit. It's more the pain of not being able to sit out in the garden, pop out for a walk, dap down the shops, or even open the windows and doors for fresh air (what with the glorious weather we get here ;-) ), without the constant rattle and hum in the background. Perhaps it's the topography of the valley with Winterbourne Down behind that affects the noise level in Hambrook - I don't think I'd want to train under those conditions! The noise might be a contributing factor as to why so many pubs have closed there: Hambrook Inn; White Horse; The Star Inn, all gone, and The Crown seems to be struggling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 12:21:29 GMT
So, we finally get our own training ground on which we can develop a professional base and (some) people moan that it's a) not immediately accessible from any given starting point and b) It has background noise from a motorway. What's the point? As for a better alternative being to use a field at a comprehensive school, isn't that the sort of approach we!re (some of us) keen to move on from?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 12:52:01 GMT
So, we finally get our own training ground on which we can develop a professional base and (some) people moan that it's a) not immediately accessible from any given starting point and b) It has background noise from a motorway. What's the point? As for a better alternative being to use a field at a comprehensive school, isn't that the sort of approach we!re (some of us) keen to move on from?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 19, 2016 13:12:50 GMT
From local experience the biggest issue with this sort of development is how late you are able to keep the floodlights on. The cricket ground had all sorts of nonsense. Assuming it will have 3G pitches and be used by the academy they will want floodlights til at least 9pm. Good point, also could be a concern of floodlights shining light on nearby M5. Highways agency would require reassurements on that aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 13:28:07 GMT
So, we finally get our own training ground on which we can develop a professional base and (some) people moan that it's a) not immediately accessible from any given starting point and b) It has background noise from a motorway. What's the point? As for a better alternative being to use a field at a comprehensive school, isn't that the sort of approach we!re (some of us) keen to move on from? You're a good man, Cast In Stone! I think it's a great location, if we view ourselves as catering for more than the population of central Kingswood and their convenience. It's about 5 minutes from a motorway junction (well, it's over a fence from a motorway interchange, but you know what I mean). You can probably do a direct comparison: I'd have thought it was as accessible from Totnes, if not more so, than Yeovil is: we could potentially attract from a much larger area. in a traffic calmed suburb, a good 20 or 30 minutes from the motorway, on the other hand.... I wonder what percentage of people going to Golden Hill go by bus, foot, or bicycle; of those being driven, how many would find Almondsbury easier or at least no worse? In extremis, buzz the minibus round.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 13:48:44 GMT
You're a good man, Cast In Stone! I think it's a great location, if we view ourselves as catering for more than the population of central Kingswood and their convenience. It's about 5 minutes from a motorway junction (well, it's over a fence from a motorway interchange, but you know what I mean). You can probably do a direct comparison: I'd have thought it was as accessible from Totnes, if not more so, than Yeovil is: we could potentially attract from a much larger area. in a traffic calmed suburb, a good 20 or 30 minutes from the motorway, on the other hand.... I wonder what percentage of people going to Golden Hill go by bus, foot, or bicycle; of those being driven, how many would find Almondsbury easier or at least no worse? In extremis, buzz the minibus round. I used to live on the old hospital site and although the traffic can be a mare during rush hour the A38 junction with the M5 has been improved and is a lot better now and certainly no worse than trying to battle your way around the ring road to SBL or the A38 into bristol to Golden Hill where the pitches are poor and on occasions dangerous and of course rented. That was the reason the first team moved from there to Colerne over a decade ago. In my opinion it's in a perfect location and with 27 acres of potential facilities BRFC will become a professional football club with it's training facilities rather then the nomadic outfit we are at the moment. Another box ticked for the new owners as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 19, 2016 14:03:07 GMT
So, we finally get our own training ground on which we can develop a professional base and (some) people moan that it's a) not immediately accessible from any given starting point and b) It has background noise from a motorway. What's the point? As for a better alternative being to use a field at a comprehensive school, isn't that the sort of approach we!re (some of us) keen to move on from? No, I didn't moan, I asked a perfectly reasonable question. Edit: I asked the question on page 1 whether there are any traffic noise problems at the new site. Since then the conversation has been about problems in Hambrook and Winterboune Down, not the new site at Hortham Lane.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:25:40 GMT
From local experience the biggest issue with this sort of development is how late you are able to keep the floodlights on. The cricket ground had all sorts of nonsense. Assuming it will have 3G pitches and be used by the academy they will want floodlights til at least 9pm. Good point, also could be a concern of floodlights shining light on nearby M5. Highways agency would require reassurements on that aspect. Jon ,the professionals and non school players train during the day,school age players usually start between 6 and 6.30 and finish about 8 so I don't think there will be a problem with the floodlights.Most working people don't eat till about 7 so by the time they are ready to put their feet up and watch the t.v it is past 8
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Post by Smithy Gas on Sept 19, 2016 14:38:53 GMT
From local experience the biggest issue with this sort of development is how late you are able to keep the floodlights on. The cricket ground had all sorts of nonsense. Assuming it will have 3G pitches and be used by the academy they will want floodlights til at least 9pm. Good point, also could be a concern of floodlights shining light on nearby M5. Highways agency would require reassurements on that aspect. The point is, this isn't a planning application per se, but an application to remove two conditions of an extant permission. So, without seeing the conditions of said permission, the floodlights are already permitted but it is not known if there are any conditions on their use. If there was, it would be wise to assume the club would have requested this condition also be removed/amended in this application also.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:56:22 GMT
no more than the current training grounds Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents Harry,have you ever tried getting a bus that goes anywhere past Kingswood high street.?First bus make a mockery of their use the bus to get to the mem,only if you live nearer the mem than kingswood high street,so how do you think it is easier to get to sbl by public transport with the service people in east Bristol get>?Some kids have no alternative but to bus it to training because one parent or the other is not home and has the car.
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Post by harrybuckle on Sept 19, 2016 17:26:47 GMT
Golden Hill at Horfield, SBL at Oldland a tad easier than Almondsbury for most Bristol residents Harry,have you ever tried getting a bus that goes anywhere past Kingswood high street.?First bus make a mockery of their use the bus to get to the mem,only if you live nearer the mem than kingswood high street,so how do you think it is easier to get to sbl by public transport with the service people in east Bristol get>?Some kids have no alternative but to bus it to training because one parent or the other is not home and has the car. I used to live in Hanham for 25 years so know the area well....In fact I used to take my son aged 8-10 to Bristol City Academy training at St Katherines School in Pill for 530pm...so am fully aware of difficult journeys. Then when he was 10-13 to Rovers School of Excellence at UWE and Chipping Sodbury School 7pm once a week ...again a real journey from Hanham. Delighted Rovers appear to have got themselves a training base.I do recall attending the WISE Centre opening at Filton during the Trollope era and still regularly go there all these years later and see BCFC signs everywhere....makes me jealous how they took it all over....
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Post by traveling_wilbury on Sept 19, 2016 17:52:20 GMT
Rovers use Sir Bernard Lovell school for training and matches have done for many years.
ta - now I know I might wander by when walking the dog* etc
*not a euphemism Doctor
How far do you take your dog for a walk then?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 20:25:47 GMT
Harry,have you ever tried getting a bus that goes anywhere past Kingswood high street.?First bus make a mockery of their use the bus to get to the mem,only if you live nearer the mem than kingswood high street,so how do you think it is easier to get to sbl by public transport with the service people in east Bristol get>?Some kids have no alternative but to bus it to training because one parent or the other is not home and has the car. I used to live in Hanham for 25 years so know the area well....In fact I used to take my son aged 8-10 to Bristol City Academy training at St Katherines School in Pill for 530pm...so am fully aware of difficult journeys. Then when he was 10-13 to Rovers School of Excellence at UWE and Chipping Sodbury School 7pm once a week ...again a real journey from Hanham. Delighted Rovers appear to have got themselves a training base.I do recall attending the WISE Centre opening at Filton during the Trollope era and still regularly go there all these years later and see BCFC signs everywhere....makes me jealous how they took it all over.... Have you ever wondered how BCFC did manage to take it all over? Don't bother it's gone now but nobody bothered asking at the time.
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Post by a more piratey game on Sept 20, 2016 8:39:26 GMT
from today's Grauniad....
It is probably a reflection of Nottingham Forest’s difficulties in the modern era that when they renew acquaintances with Arsenal on Tuesday it will be the first time in the 21st century they have encountered the club who wear the same colours because it was Forest, 130 years ago, who donated a red strip to help set them up.
The last occasion the two sides met was in January 1999 when Ron Atkinson had just been appointed as Forest’s manager and infamously began his short, undistinguished spell more like Rowan Atkinson by climbing into the wrong dugout. Forest, with the fingers of relegation closing round their necks, lost 1-0 and it was their next home game when they played in a nine-goal thriller against Manchester United that is still talked about on the banks of the Trent. Unfortunately for Forest, they scored only one of the goals.
Today, the club are 13th in English football’s second tier, exactly the position where Brian Clough inherited them in 1975. It is the 12th anniversary of Clough’s death and in the 12th minute of their EFL Cup tie against Arsenal a tribute is planned for the man who led Forest – “the most unprogressive club in the country” as one of their own committee members described them – to promotion, a league title, two European Cups, four League Cups and a place in football where they could beat Barcelona in the European Super Cup yet be clapped out of Camp Nou by the Catalan supporters.
For the modern-day Forest, it is a very different set of ambitions. There is, however, one area of the club that has quietly been excelling and it helps that the latest manager, Philippe Montanier, is a firm believer in giving young players a chance. Montanier helped bring through Antoine Griezmann at Real Sociedad. He also gave Ousmane Dembélé his debut at Rennes and he has joined a club that is building a reputation for the quality and quantity of its academy players.
Perhaps the best way to gauge it is to walk through the entrance of the Nigel Doughty Academy, named after Forest’s late chairman, and look at the 11 framed photographs that have been positioned neatly on the left-hand wall.
The first 10 are the academy graduates who have risen through the system to play for Forest’s first team in the past two and a bit years. Ben Osborn, first on the list, joined the club at the age of nine and is now a first-team regular. Oliver Burke, another who started at Forest at primary-school age, has just been sold to RB Leipzig for £13m, a fee that many people feel will one day be regarded as a steal. Tyler Walker, son of Des, is among the other photographs – alongside Matty Cash, Jorge Grant, Gerry McDonagh, Dimitar Evtimov, Alex Iacovitti, James Thorne and Deimantas Petravicius – and the montage is certainly a striking way of demonstrating why Forest are building a reputation within the sport for their academy’s success. The 11th frame is for all the other boys who might be passing through. There is no picture in this one. It says simply: “Will you be next?”
There cannot be many other clubs in England’s top two divisions, if any, with a better production line from youth level to first team – the pathway as it is known – over the same period and the conveyor belt of young talent is testament to the work of Gary Brazil, the head of academy, and his staff, among them the former Forest striker Jack Lester.
Brazil, another ex-striker whose playing career incorporated spells at Fulham, Newcastle United, Preston North End and Sheffield United, takes his ethos from the sign behind his desk – “the only place success comes before work is in the dictionary” – and another of the academy’s finds could soon be on the wall. Anel Ahmedhodzic, a 17-year-old Swedish centre-half, was put on the bench by Montanier for last week’s game at Rotherham. Three others – Joe Worrall, Jordan Gabriel and Ryan Yates – went with the first team on their pre-season tour.
Virgil Gomis, from the Under-18s, is also one to keep an eye on and others are coming through. Dan Micciche, manager of England’s Under-16s, regards Forest’s team of that age level as one of the finest around. Kevin Betsy, manager of England’s Under-15s, is another admirer.
“We’re got some really driven people here and it’s starting to give us a real return,” Brazil says. “The ideal situation would be that in two or three years we have four or five kids playing regularly in the first team. The fans love seeing their own players coming through and we believe there are others who the fans might not know about yet. It’s the culmination of a lot of hard work.”
It also makes a difference that Montanier goes by the same ethos that once led Clough to make an 18‑year‑old Gary Mills the youngest ever player in a European Cup final. Montanier’s first game in charge featured five academy graduates, including two debutants, in his starting lineup.
Burke, a winger with the build of an Olympic sprinter, was given carte blanche to menace opposition defences and just about every club in the Premier League was eyeing the teenager in the last transfer window before he signed for Leipzig on his 19th birthday. Burke – “Twisty” to use his nickname – started 10 games in the Championship and quickly made an impression on his Bundesliga debut, setting up the decisive goal in a 1-0 win over Borussia Dortmund.
“Oliver’s a young man with a great future,” Brazil says. “We’ve lost a wonderful young man and precocious talent but three years ago it wasn’t a given that he would reach this stage. Oliver still has a lot of work to do to fulfil his potential but we’ve created a programme for the boys, we stay consistent to it and the fact we’ve had some real joy lately has made the staff even hungrier.
“When Oliver made his [Leipzig] debut, all the staff who have worked with him here were watching it. Everyone was so proud.”
www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/sep/20/nottingam-forest-production-line-arsenal-efl-cup-brian-clough-anniversary
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