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Post by c4h10 on Jul 19, 2016 10:08:23 GMT
The EFL is doing really well imo on behalf of the Premier League ..... ...the latter will soon have their own Premier League Cup ...we will have division made up of second string Premier League sides ...the FA Cup will all but disappear - far too many premier clubs consider this to be of nuisance hence weakened sides entered ...this whole farce has nothing to do with trying to improve the strength of the England side or if this is the belief then they have as much idea of running football as the F A does! . There won't be a division of B teams, football league clubs voted no and it wasn't even close! No football league clubs want that. This is different. Trying to revamp a s*** trophy, it might work, it might not, but it's a one year trial so not the end of the world.Providing real football fans stay away.
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Post by Igitur on Jul 19, 2016 10:44:17 GMT
. There won't be a division of B teams, football league clubs voted no and it wasn't even close! No football league clubs want that. This is different. Trying to revamp a s*** trophy, it might work, it might not, but it's a one year trial so not the end of the world.Providing real football fans stay away. The EFL should do primarily what it is there for and that is to look after EFL sides. Trying to help England by bringing youngsters through is not EFL's remit, that is for the FA to sort out. Revamping the Paint Pot Trophy is needed, but not at the expense of EFL teams. The latter stages of the competition and final are lucrative for lower sides and in some cases a life line. There's a huge banana skin ahead if two Premier sides make it to the final of an E FL competition. It may be a one year trial, but that could mean for two L1 and L2 sides no day out at Wembley.
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Post by irishrover on Jul 19, 2016 11:01:09 GMT
Football League's chairman has denied that the refusal of top Premier League clubs to play in the EFL Trophy is a "failure" for the controversial competition. Ian Lenegan told a fans' conference that the revamped cup, which will include Carlisle United, now has the agreement of 16 academy teams to take part. Changes to the former Johnstone's Paint Trophy have caused huge debate with some fans threatening to boycott matches as top-flight teams are introduced. Major clubs like Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea are set to decline invitations to enter teams from their category one academies. Others such as Middlesbrough and Everton have confirmed that they will be taking part. But the refusal of some of the country's biggest clubs has led the EFL to extend invitations to more Championship clubs. The changes are intended to "reinvigorate" the competition but many fans have hit out at the changes to what has traditionally been a lower-league cup competition with the eventual prize of a Wembley final. According to the Against League Three campaign, Lenegan told the Supporters Summit at Wembley - hosted by the Football Supporters Federation and Supporters Direct - that "a degree of nervousness" will be felt if two academy teams make it to the final. But the former Oxford director insisted the changes were not the "thin end of the wedge" that would eventually lead to B teams entering the league pyramid. Lenegan also reportedly told the meeting that 16 invited teams have now been confirmed. They are expected to be announced soon. Why was the inclusion of Carlisle United worthy of comment? Why wouldn't Carlisle United be included? Can Premier League Teams not identify Cumbria on a map?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 19, 2016 11:03:21 GMT
Football League's chairman has denied that the refusal of top Premier League clubs to play in the EFL Trophy is a "failure" for the controversial competition. Ian Lenegan told a fans' conference that the revamped cup, which will include Carlisle United, now has the agreement of 16 academy teams to take part. Changes to the former Johnstone's Paint Trophy have caused huge debate with some fans threatening to boycott matches as top-flight teams are introduced. Major clubs like Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea are set to decline invitations to enter teams from their category one academies. Others such as Middlesbrough and Everton have confirmed that they will be taking part. But the refusal of some of the country's biggest clubs has led the EFL to extend invitations to more Championship clubs. The changes are intended to "reinvigorate" the competition but many fans have hit out at the changes to what has traditionally been a lower-league cup competition with the eventual prize of a Wembley final. According to the Against League Three campaign, Lenegan told the Supporters Summit at Wembley - hosted by the Football Supporters Federation and Supporters Direct - that "a degree of nervousness" will be felt if two academy teams make it to the final. But the former Oxford director insisted the changes were not the "thin end of the wedge" that would eventually lead to B teams entering the league pyramid. Lenegan also reportedly told the meeting that 16 invited teams have now been confirmed. They are expected to be announced soon. Why was the inclusion of Carlisle United worthy of comment? Why wouldn't Carlisle United be included? Can Premier League Teams not identify Cumbria on a map? the article was from the local Carlisle Rag
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 19, 2016 12:20:46 GMT
Serious question (tin hat on): Would anyone go to watch our kids play in cup? I know it's a different competition, but I've supported youth cup games and reserve matches for years. Would anyone toddle along to watch our kids in action up Mem for a few quid v Exeter, say? I have done and did so with the FFS. I used to go watch training sessions too but then at least you know what you're getting. This new format is nothing but a precursor to get B teams credibility when the powers that be would be better off sorting proper reserve team games. I know it's just my own opinion but I hope others don't go to these games.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 19, 2016 12:28:11 GMT
The EFL is doing really well imo on behalf of the Premier League ..... ...the latter will soon have their own Premier League Cup ...we will have division made up of second string Premier League sides ...the FA Cup will all but disappear - far too many premier clubs consider this to be of nuisance hence weakened sides entered ...this whole farce has nothing to do with trying to improve the strength of the England side or if this is the belief then they have as much idea of running football as the F A does! . There won't be a division of B teams, football league clubs voted no and it wasn't even close! No football league clubs want that. This is different. Trying to revamp a s*** trophy, it might work, it might not, but it's a one year trial so not the end of the world. It's a trial and if it goes well then it's another nail into lower league teams IMO. We could look back on this as the seminal point where the PL took itself away from the rest
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Post by c4h10 on Jul 19, 2016 16:01:07 GMT
Serious question (tin hat on): Would anyone go to watch our kids play in cup? I know it's a different competition, but I've supported youth cup games and reserve matches for years. Would anyone toddle along to watch our kids in action up Mem for a few quid v Exeter, say? I have done and did so with the FFS. I used to go watch training sessions too but then at least you know what you're getting. This new format is nothing but a precursor to get B teams credibility when the powers that be would be better off sorting proper reserve team games. I know it's just my own opinion but I hope others don't go to these games. I miss the days of proper reserve games. I've only seen a handful of away games over the years, but was at Eastville every week of the season. It means that players are in a proper league, and fans get to know the lads coming through. Ah, well.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jul 19, 2016 16:20:54 GMT
. There won't be a division of B teams, football league clubs voted no and it wasn't even close! No football league clubs want that. This is different. Trying to revamp a s*** trophy, it might work, it might not, but it's a one year trial so not the end of the world. It's a trial and if it goes well then it's another nail into lower league teams IMO. We could look back on this as the seminal point where the PL took itself away from the rest In 1960 when the Football League Cup was introduced several Clubs wanted to boycott it regarding it as a poor man's FA Cup. But the introduction of floodlights to most league grounds enabled it to be introduced as a mid week tournament. Rovers in fact made history by staging the first ever league cup tie with Fulham at Eastville.
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Post by basel on Jul 20, 2016 10:22:41 GMT
I won't be attending this insult of a 'competition'. I hope the collective attendances for all these games is nil.
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 20, 2016 11:07:37 GMT
It's a trial and if it goes well then it's another nail into lower league teams IMO. We could look back on this as the seminal point where the PL took itself away from the rest In 1960 when the Football League Cup was introduced several Clubs wanted to boycott it regarding it as a poor man's FA Cup. But the introduction of floodlights to most league grounds enabled it to be introduced as a mid week tournament. Rovers in fact made history by staging the first ever league cup tie with Fulham at Eastville.
Some clubs effectively do boycott it, sending out the kids.
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Post by captain1883 on Jul 20, 2016 11:52:07 GMT
In 1960 when the Football League Cup was introduced several Clubs wanted to boycott it regarding it as a poor man's FA Cup. But the introduction of floodlights to most league grounds enabled it to be introduced as a mid week tournament. Rovers in fact made history by staging the first ever league cup tie with Fulham at Eastville.
Some clubs effectively do boycott it, sending out the kids. I liked Sheffield Wednesday's approach to the competition a couple of years ago where they started a match with 6 of their 'first team' players and promptly subbed 3 of them off after a minute
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 20, 2016 14:02:48 GMT
Some clubs effectively do boycott it, sending out the kids. I liked Sheffield Wednesday's approach to the competition a couple of years ago where they started a match with 6 of their 'first team' players and promptly subbed 3 of them off after a minute Would love Rovers to do something like this, at least for the game against whatever B team we come up again. With a crowd of 0 to go along with it.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 26, 2016 16:22:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 16:31:21 GMT
I think Premier League Two looks like a good idea. A modern day Pontins League. I don't see that it has to affect the Football League at all.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jul 27, 2016 9:16:15 GMT
EFL are twittering the draw. Grim Up North sections first.
A: Everton Youth; Bolton; Blackpool; Cheltenham -?? eh??
B: Wolves Youth; Chesterfield; Crewe; Accy.
C: Stoke Youth; Bradford; Morecambe; Bury
D: Blackburn Youth ; Fleetwood; Carlisle; Oldham.
E: Derby Youth; Port Vale; Doncaster; Mansfield.
F: Sunderland Youth; Rochdale; Hartlepool; Notts County.
G: Middlesbrough Youth; Scunthorpe; Cambridge; Shrewsbury.
H: Leicester Youth; Sheffield Utd; Grimsby, Walsall.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 27, 2016 9:17:25 GMT
Cheltenham - north Gloucestershire!
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jul 27, 2016 9:20:37 GMT
We're first out of the hat.
We've got: Reading Youth; Portsmouth; Yeovil.
Be still, my beating heart.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 27, 2016 9:24:32 GMT
The excitement of playing Reading Youth has not really got my heart racing. Think I'll skip this 'competition'.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jul 27, 2016 9:26:57 GMT
That soft southern half of the draw in full:
A: Reading Youth; ROVERS; Pompey; Yeovil.
B: Swansea Youth; Wimbledon; Newport; Plymouth;
C: Chelsea Youth; Swindon; Exeter; Oxford.
D: West Ham Youth; Coventry; Wycombe; Northampton.
E: Southampton Youth; Charlton; Colchester; Crawley.
F: Norwich Youth; Peterborough; Barnet; MK Dons.
G: Brighton Youth; Southend; Stevenage; Leyton Orient.
H: West Brom Youth; Millwall; Luton; Gillingham.
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Jul 27, 2016 9:49:17 GMT
This academy business is a real joke. A nice competition for League One and Two clubs to rotate their squads and chance their arm for a Wembley day out. Utterly ruins the 'little league' feel of the competition and patronises the professional players having to play the B team academy reserves of clubs just one division higher.
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