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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:21:49 GMT
That is one area where Cameron did get a positive result in his negotiations wit hthe EU. Of course it is but the answer is in the hands of our Government not the EU. I have no idea what you are saying? When should the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of these new migrants have been built please? Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 13:22:04 GMT
That is one area where Cameron did get a positive result in his negotiations wit hthe EU. Of course it is but the answer is in the hands of our Government not the EU. I have no idea what you are saying? When should the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of these new migrants have been built please? As a result of the negotiations with the EU, prior to the vote, we are now able to stop paying EU immigrants in specific circumstances. Many are those to which you are probably referring:- www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105I live in a rural area with, at present, very few migrants of any sort (I don't see too many anyway). I cannot get a non-emergency appointment with a GP for three weeks. Clearly, compared to say 15 years ago, there is not enough support for GP surgeries. When I do go to see my GP I see plenty of old people there. We have an ageing society which is living longer; all within the scope of our Government to deal with.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 13:25:49 GMT
I have no idea what you are saying? When should the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of these new migrants have been built please? Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU The trouble is the press has blamed the EU for most things over 30+ years because it is an easy target and the headline sells papers. I see this result as a build up over that period. We as a country, and our press in particular, have never embraced what the EU and Europe has to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:31:28 GMT
I have no idea what you are saying? When should the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of these new migrants have been built please? Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU Did I blame the EU? I thought we were investigating why the result had happened? Now, step aside from the view of the world out of a window in leafy Hertfordshire, and try to see what Mr Low Skilled Worker who lives adjacent to an area of high migrant population sees in his daily life. Overlay liberal elitist idiots sat on QT panels, all drawing £2000 appearance fees and telling him he's a racist for asking if there's anything that can be done to reduce the stress on local services, and you may have the reason we got the result we did last Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:33:16 GMT
Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU The trouble is the press has blamed the EU for most things over 30+ years because it is an easy target and the headline sells papers. I see this result as a build up over that period. We as a country, and our press in particular, have never embraced what the EU and Europe has to offer. So true
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:34:41 GMT
I have no idea what you are saying? When should the infrastructure needed to meet the needs of these new migrants have been built please? As a result of the negotiations with the EU, prior to the vote, we are now able to stop paying EU immigrants in specific circumstances. Many are those to which you are probably referring:- www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105I live in a rural area with, at present, very few migrants of any sort (I don't see too many anyway). I cannot get a non-emergency appointment with a GP for three weeks. Clearly, compared to say 15 years ago, there is not enough support for GP surgeries. When I do go to see my GP I see plenty of old people there. We have an ageing society which is living longer; all within the scope of our Government to deal with. You didn't answer my question. At what point should the infrastructure have been built to meet the demands of the newly arriving workforce?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:36:58 GMT
Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU Did I blame the EU? I thought we were investigating why the result had happened? Now, step aside from the view of the world out of a window in leafy Hertfordshire, and try to see what Mr Low Skilled Worker who lives adjacent to an area of high migrant population sees in his daily life. Overlay liberal elitist idiots sat on QT panels, all drawing £2000 appearance fees and telling him he's a racist for asking if there's anything that can be done to reduce the stress on local services, and you may have the reason we got the result we did last Thursday. I don't live in Hertfordshire anymore I think in my opening post on this thread I am agreeing with you. But the people you quote in your last post are impacted most because of policies of the national government, balming foreignors as stoked by those same people from that government is silly.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 13:46:57 GMT
As a result of the negotiations with the EU, prior to the vote, we are now able to stop paying EU immigrants in specific circumstances. Many are those to which you are probably referring:- www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105I live in a rural area with, at present, very few migrants of any sort (I don't see too many anyway). I cannot get a non-emergency appointment with a GP for three weeks. Clearly, compared to say 15 years ago, there is not enough support for GP surgeries. When I do go to see my GP I see plenty of old people there. We have an ageing society which is living longer; all within the scope of our Government to deal with. You didn't answer my question. At what point should the infrastructure have been built to meet the demands of the newly arriving workforce? I think I did by suggesting that they haven't provided it for anyone; except themselves as I'm sure they have private facilities. Not all of the problems are related to immigration; much relates to an ageing population. As to timing GP's have been telling us for years that they are overstretched and cannot meet demand. It's still a Government problem and nothing to do with the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 13:57:08 GMT
Did I blame the EU? I thought we were investigating why the result had happened? Now, step aside from the view of the world out of a window in leafy Hertfordshire, and try to see what Mr Low Skilled Worker who lives adjacent to an area of high migrant population sees in his daily life. Overlay liberal elitist idiots sat on QT panels, all drawing £2000 appearance fees and telling him he's a racist for asking if there's anything that can be done to reduce the stress on local services, and you may have the reason we got the result we did last Thursday. I don't live in Hertfordshire anymore I think in my opening post on this thread I am agreeing with you. But the people you quote in your last post are impacted most because of policies of the national government, balming foreignors as stoked by those same people from that government is silly. Maybe so, but when you have nothing, nobody is listening and things only look set to get worse, you may as well stick what little you do have on red, or black, spin the wheel and see what happens. BTW, I take it you didn't want us to balm foreigners? Could get messy You did see the episode of QT where a homeless man walked out after being accused, wrongly, of racism? Everything that's wrong with the debate and the way we refuse to hold it in a civilised way, right there. Did the panellists care? Not one bit, they collected their fees, plus expenses, and trotted off to the green room for champers, then off to the hotel, whilst he was probably sleeping rough. Like you, this stuff doesn't impact me much, I just look at it all and want to bang people's heads together. Farage has spent 20 years insulting people in the EU chambers, now he's got what he wanted, he's effectively sacked himself, and his German wife and he's gone into hiding. You literally couldn't make it up.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 14:06:15 GMT
Not just the needs of immigrants. We had real issues with housing, availability and cost, before 2005. As Tanksfull keeps saying, the power to address this was and is in the hands of our sovereign government. They sat on their hands, both Labour, The Coalition and the Tories. Don't blame the EU Did I blame the EU? I thought we were investigating why the result had happened? Now, step aside from the view of the world out of a window in leafy Hertfordshire, and try to see what Mr Low Skilled Worker who lives adjacent to an area of high migrant population sees in his daily life. Overlay liberal elitist idiots sat on QT panels, all drawing £2000 appearance fees and telling him he's a racist for asking if there's anything that can be done to reduce the stress on local services, and you may have the reason we got the result we did last Thursday. I totally agree with you and have great sympathy for those who live in Lincolnshire. Their lives have been changed dramatically. The point is that work is there that nobody wanted to do. Even out of the EU work permits will still be given to carry out that work. So why blame the EU?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 14:09:29 GMT
You didn't answer my question. At what point should the infrastructure have been built to meet the demands of the newly arriving workforce? I think I did by suggesting that they haven't provided it for anyone; except themselves as I'm sure they have private facilities. Not all of the problems are related to immigration; much relates to an ageing population. As to timing GP's have been telling us for years that they are overstretched and cannot meet demand. It's still a Government problem and nothing to do with the EU. No, you haven't addressed the question, you've sidestepped it and attempted to conflate issues. Let's concentrate on migration. More people arriving means more demand on local services, surely you agree with that, so, at what point should that have been put in place.
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Post by brizzle on Jun 26, 2016 14:21:17 GMT
It's just like old times on here ennit, although what any of it has to do with the Chairman's Message is beyond me.
Mind you I am getting a little concerned about these references to ''an ageing population,'' and the problems that they bring with them. What's the solution likely to be, especially considering that they allegedly swung the referendum result all on their own, and in doing so deprived a whole generation of everything which they deserved to have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 14:25:36 GMT
It's just like old times on here ennit, although what any of it has to do with the Chairman's Message is beyond me. Mind you I am getting a little concerned about these references to ''an ageing population,'' and the problems that they bring with them. What's the solution likely to be, especially considering that they allegedly swung the referendum result all on their own, and in doing so deprived a whole generation of everything which they deserved to have. Soylent green.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
I think I did by suggesting that they haven't provided it for anyone; except themselves as I'm sure they have private facilities. Not all of the problems are related to immigration; much relates to an ageing population. As to timing GP's have been telling us for years that they are overstretched and cannot meet demand. It's still a Government problem and nothing to do with the EU. No, you haven't addressed the question, you've sidestepped it and attempted to conflate issues. Let's concentrate on migration. More people arriving means more demand on local services, surely you agree with that, so, at what point should that have been put in place. Of course I agree with you and also that with an ageing population there are pressures on those same services. However, why are you asking me a question that should be asked of the UK Government (over the last 15-20 years). You ask a question which you know I cannot be expected to answer. I do know that there is the same issue (to a lesser or greater degree) in many areas across the UK and for different reasons which are not related to immigration.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 26, 2016 15:20:45 GMT
Well, we've just cut off our nose to spite our face, so why not them? It would be less of an issue for them: the EU collectively is a much bigger market for us than the UK is for any individual EU state. As for them starting a trade war, if we're going to compete against rather than with them, who's doing that? It's odd to pick a fight and get indignant at the thought that others won't protect their interest at least to the point of neutralising the effect. Ultimately if we don't get equivalent access to the single market as we do now in Europe then that shortfall in trade, if there is one, will have to be made up elsewhere. As people are stating that will have to be with the Far East, China etc, Russia and all the States preciously defined as BRICS. Given the political situations in those countries, good luck with agreeing a legally enforceable legal framework with them. But back to controlled immigration. Brexiteers have promised to reduce the overall level of immigration. Lets say, for the sake of argument net immigration target is set at 100,000, and visas will only be issued to that number.. What happens if there is a labour shortfall because the labour market demanded 200,000? ?? North America? Oh yes the EU has failed to conclude a deal with them and we don't know why because the negotiations are secret and not for the ears of us common people. And back to immigration, the only straw that the Remain camp have to grasp at.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 15:21:25 GMT
Well the Foreign Secretary has said that we'll need to stay in the Single Market - the Swiss-Norwegian model of glorious isolationism. That means we pay the EU, have to accept the free movement of people, and accompanying rules and regs, but just get no say in running the thing. So I can't see how people think they've solved an immigration 'problem'.
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 15:34:20 GMT
Ultimately if we don't get equivalent access to the single market as we do now in Europe then that shortfall in trade, if there is one, will have to be made up elsewhere. As people are stating that will have to be with the Far East, China etc, Russia and all the States preciously defined as BRICS. Given the political situations in those countries, good luck with agreeing a legally enforceable legal framework with them. But back to controlled immigration. Brexiteers have promised to reduce the overall level of immigration. Lets say, for the sake of argument net immigration target is set at 100,000, and visas will only be issued to that number.. What happens if there is a labour shortfall because the labour market demanded 200,000? ?? North America? Oh yes the EU has failed to conclude a deal with them and we don't know why because the negotiations are secret and not for the ears of us common people. And back to immigration, the only straw that the Remain camp have to grasp at. Goodness me you will want to know the negotiation details, whilst they are going on, for the next player about to join BRFC next. Yes the negotiations are taking far too long but we don't know, and should not know, what is being discussed. Sorry but I'm begining to see that many wouldn't understand the negotiations even if they were told what they were any more than they understood the reasons for staying in or leaving the EU. "The only straw"? What do you mean by that? It was the only thing that the leave campaign had to offer, other than banging the drum of "Rule Britannia" and "Independence Day".
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Post by tanksfull on Jun 26, 2016 15:37:32 GMT
North America? Oh yes the EU has failed to conclude a deal with them and we don't know why because the negotiations are secret and not for the ears of us common people. And back to immigration, the only straw that the Remain camp have to grasp at. Goodness me you will want to know the negotiation details, whilst they are going on, for the next player about to join BRFC next. Yes the negotiations are taking far too long but we don't know, and should not know, what is being discussed. Sorry but I'm begining to see that many wouldn't understand the negotiations even if they were told what they were any more than they understood the reasons for staying in or leaving the EU. "The only straw"? What do you mean by that? It was the only thing that the leave campaign had to offer, other than banging the drum of "Rule Britannia" and "Independence Day". I'm off before I start to attack the writer rather than the post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 15:39:08 GMT
North America? Oh yes the EU has failed to conclude a deal with them and we don't know why because the negotiations are secret and not for the ears of us common people. And back to immigration, the only straw that the Remain camp have to grasp at. Goodness me you will want to know the negotiation details, whilst they are going on, for the next player about to join BRFC next. Yes the negotiations are taking far too long but we don't know, and should not know, what is being discussed. Sorry but I'm begining to see that many wouldn't understand the negotiations even if they were told what they were any more than they understood the reasons for staying in or leaving the EU. "The only straw"? What do you mean by that? It was the only thing that the leave campaign had to offer, other than banging the drum of "Rule Britannia" and "Independence Day". i wanted to be ruled by ourselves rather than europe, immigration was second on my list whats your views on ttip ?
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jun 26, 2016 15:39:37 GMT
They only work about 37 hours a week - that's why! :-) Exactly Epping, exactly. If you could produce three items in one hour in France and three in 1.5 hours in the UK who has the lower input cost and therefore greater Gross Profit? So I'm sure that inward investment in France has far outstripped that of the UK, any figures to prove that?
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