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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 12:06:04 GMT
The SC have made a start asking questions, so maybe there will be some movement, if things are heading in the right direction and there's something I think I can add, and if they want me, I'm more than happy to give my time. The missing bit is that the SC could well become an irrelevance if they don't modernise. What I mean is, if the SC stand still they will become the next Woolworths, or BHS, or Blockbusters, it will be a matter of time before a group like Jon's FFSclub offer more of what the punters want, his group grows and eclipses the SC. No doubt the SC loyalists will laugh at that suggestion, but the owners of those businesses named above thought they were set fair and nothing would change. Maybe Jon will be the Netflix to Jim's Blockbusters Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? Raise money for the club and have some fun along the way, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 12:06:58 GMT
The SC have made a start asking questions, so maybe there will be some movement, if things are heading in the right direction and there's something I think I can add, and if they want me, I'm more than happy to give my time. The missing bit is that the SC could well become an irrelevance if they don't modernise. What I mean is, if the SC stand still they will become the next Woolworths, or BHS, or Blockbusters, it will be a matter of time before a group like Jon's FFSclub offer more of what the punters want, his group grows and eclipses the SC. No doubt the SC loyalists will laugh at that suggestion, but the owners of those businesses named above thought they were set fair and nothing would change. Maybe Jon will be the Netflix to Jim's Blockbusters Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? to give the punters what they want and when [ in sc case information ]
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 3, 2016 12:08:37 GMT
The SC have made a start asking questions, so maybe there will be some movement, if things are heading in the right direction and there's something I think I can add, and if they want me, I'm more than happy to give my time. The missing bit is that the SC could well become an irrelevance if they don't modernise. What I mean is, if the SC stand still they will become the next Woolworths, or BHS, or Blockbusters, it will be a matter of time before a group like Jon's FFSclub offer more of what the punters want, his group grows and eclipses the SC. No doubt the SC loyalists will laugh at that suggestion, but the owners of those businesses named above thought they were set fair and nothing would change. Maybe Jon will be the Netflix to Jim's Blockbusters Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? in the post pinned at the top of the forum
The aims of The FFS Club:
Try to Encourage Unity and Positivity Raise funds for the Football Club we all Love Sponsor Players who may not normally attract a Sponsor Sponsor Home Games, plus if possible some Youth Team games Offer members reduced prices for Hospitality & Player Sponsorships they otherwise may not afford Meet up with other like-minded Gasheads Oh and we give away Prizes to Members including Sponsored Match Worn Shirts & Hospitality Places!
Read more: gasheads.org/thread/3668/fans-forum-sponsor-club-update#ixzz4AW92CCqv
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 12:23:07 GMT
The SC have made a start asking questions, so maybe there will be some movement, if things are heading in the right direction and there's something I think I can add, and if they want me, I'm more than happy to give my time. The missing bit is that the SC could well become an irrelevance if they don't modernise. What I mean is, if the SC stand still they will become the next Woolworths, or BHS, or Blockbusters, it will be a matter of time before a group like Jon's FFSclub offer more of what the punters want, his group grows and eclipses the SC. No doubt the SC loyalists will laugh at that suggestion, but the owners of those businesses named above thought they were set fair and nothing would change. Maybe Jon will be the Netflix to Jim's Blockbusters Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? Good question. It's an embryonic organisation, I don't think that I even suggested that it had matured yet to a position where it had a defined long-term objective, or even that it was an organisation that, in it's present stage of development could replace the SC? Others have listed the present objectives, hope that helps clarify
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 15:14:42 GMT
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Post by harrybuckle on Jun 3, 2016 15:20:53 GMT
Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? Good question. It's an embryonic organisation, I don't think that I even suggested that it had matured yet to a position where it had a defined long-term objective, or even that it was an organisation that, in it's present stage of development could replace the SC? Others have listed the present objectives, hope that helps clarify "embryonic organisation" wow ....I guess BRSC do have the edge with 103 years experience in the raising of funds for the Club. But like helpline and Young pirates,1883 club etc any organisation that provides something for fans must be positive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 16:17:33 GMT
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Post by Swedish Gas on Jun 3, 2016 16:43:14 GMT
First paragraph is really chicken and egg. The second paragraph I wholeheartedly agree with and is pretty much what I've been saying all along. The SC have made a start asking questions, so maybe there will be some movement, if things are heading in the right direction and there's something I think I can add, and if they want me, I'm more than happy to give my time. The missing bit is that the SC could well become an irrelevance if they don't modernise. What I mean is, if the SC stand still they will become the next Woolworths, or BHS, or Blockbusters, it will be a matter of time before a group like Jon's FFSclub offer more of what the punters want, his group grows and eclipses the SC. No doubt the SC loyalists will laugh at that suggestion, but the owners of those businesses named above thought they were set fair and nothing would change. Maybe Jon will be the Netflix to Jim's Blockbusters Last time I looked it was Bob Holness' Blockbusters. Has JC reluctantly taken that on too?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 3, 2016 16:56:52 GMT
Beg my ignorance but what are the aims and objectives of Netflix (sorry) FFS please ? in the post pinned at the top of the forum
The aims of The FFS Club:
Try to Encourage Unity and Positivity Raise funds for the Football Club we all Love Sponsor Players who may not normally attract a Sponsor Sponsor Home Games, plus if possible some Youth Team games Offer members reduced prices for Hospitality & Player Sponsorships they otherwise may not afford Meet up with other like-minded Gasheads Oh and we give away Prizes to Members including Sponsored Match Worn Shirts & Hospitality Places!
Yep that's our original idea and pretty much what we've done for a few years now. We have no particular aim to get much bigger and certainly don't intend to be competition for the SC, we have a good relationship with them and i hope a mutual respect. But, with the football club seemingly in a much better shape now we will need to have a chat with supporters to see where we'd like to go. For example we always got a discount for Hospitality, it worked for both the club and ourselves, we got cheap rates - they filled spaces that otherwise would have remained empty, but with our recent success on field those places will now be easy to sell and at a more profitable rate - and that's good. I intend to speak to both members and non-members to discuss where we'd like to go next. I will also be meeting with Steve Hamer in a few weeks time to discuss a few things with him about moving forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 17:27:56 GMT
Good question. It's an embryonic organisation, I don't think that I even suggested that it had matured yet to a position where it had a defined long-term objective, or even that it was an organisation that, in it's present stage of development could replace the SC? Others have listed the present objectives, hope that helps clarify "embryonic organisation" wow ....I guess BRSC do have the edge with 103 years experience in the raising of funds for the Club. But like helpline and Young pirates,1883 club etc any organisation that provides something for fans must be positive. Not sure what your point is, but Woolworths lasted 90 years, didn't react to a changing market and paid the price. Serious question, do you think that the SC will survive as a viable organisation if they just continue doing what they are doing right now?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 3, 2016 18:12:10 GMT
"embryonic organisation" wow ....I guess BRSC do have the edge with 103 years experience in the raising of funds for the Club. But like helpline and Young pirates,1883 club etc any organisation that provides something for fans must be positive. Not sure what your point is, but Woolworths lasted 90 years, didn't react to a changing market and paid the price. Serious question, do you think that the SC will survive as a viable organisation if they just continue doing what they are doing right now? I understand the gist but also know that any club that values its fans will need the goodwill and help of volunteers. At least that's how I've been conditioned to understand it, being a Rovers supporter. I don't think that just because we now don't have to rely on non paid staff doesn't mean that it should be turned away. The problem, as I see it, is that whatever happens there will be some people who will feel that that their nose is out of joint. This is where the real leadership qualities will be needed and I look forward to there actually being some of that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:19:44 GMT
Not sure what your point is, but Woolworths lasted 90 years, didn't react to a changing market and paid the price. Serious question, do you think that the SC will survive as a viable organisation if they just continue doing what they are doing right now? I understand the gist but also know that any club that values its fans will need the goodwill and help of volunteers. At least that's how I've been conditioned to understand it, being a Rovers supporter. I don't think that just because we now don't have to rely on non paid staff doesn't mean that it should be turned away. The problem, as I see it, is that whatever happens there will be some people who will feel that that their nose is out of joint. This is where the real leadership qualities will be needed and I look forward to there actually being some of that I think we covered this much earlier in the thread. Things are going to change, like you, I hope that people who have given their time freely when they were most needed won't be cast aside.
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Post by The Gas on Jun 5, 2016 7:42:31 GMT
in the post pinned at the top of the forum
The aims of The FFS Club:
Try to Encourage Unity and Positivity Raise funds for the Football Club we all Love Sponsor Players who may not normally attract a Sponsor Sponsor Home Games, plus if possible some Youth Team games Offer members reduced prices for Hospitality & Player Sponsorships they otherwise may not afford Meet up with other like-minded Gasheads Oh and we give away Prizes to Members including Sponsored Match Worn Shirts & Hospitality Places!
Yep that's our original idea and pretty much what we've done for a few years now. We have no particular aim to get much bigger and certainly don't intend to be competition for the SC, we have a good relationship with them and i hope a mutual respect. But, with the football club seemingly in a much better shape now we will need to have a chat with supporters to see where we'd like to go. For example we always got a discount for Hospitality, it worked for both the club and ourselves, we got cheap rates - they filled spaces that otherwise would have remained empty, but with our recent success on field those places will now be easy to sell and at a more profitable rate - and that's good. I intend to speak to both members and non-members to discuss where we'd like to go next. I will also be meeting with Steve Hamer in a few weeks time to discuss a few things with him about moving forward.Blimey, the Supporters Club directors have not been seen by Steve Hamer since the takeover, so one up to you Jon if you have already got a date for a "chat".
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Post by One F in Dunford on Jun 5, 2016 8:07:42 GMT
Yep that's our original idea and pretty much what we've done for a few years now. We have no particular aim to get much bigger and certainly don't intend to be competition for the SC, we have a good relationship with them and i hope a mutual respect. But, with the football club seemingly in a much better shape now we will need to have a chat with supporters to see where we'd like to go. For example we always got a discount for Hospitality, it worked for both the club and ourselves, we got cheap rates - they filled spaces that otherwise would have remained empty, but with our recent success on field those places will now be easy to sell and at a more profitable rate - and that's good. I intend to speak to both members and non-members to discuss where we'd like to go next. I will also be meeting with Steve Hamer in a few weeks time to discuss a few things with him about moving forward.Blimey, the Supporters Club directors have not been seen by Steve Hamer since the takeover, so one up to you Jon if you have already got a date for a "chat". Have the Supporters Club directors disappeared? Brian SS was last online on 9th April and as for Ken!
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Post by Peter Parker on Jun 5, 2016 8:13:50 GMT
Yep that's our original idea and pretty much what we've done for a few years now. We have no particular aim to get much bigger and certainly don't intend to be competition for the SC, we have a good relationship with them and i hope a mutual respect. But, with the football club seemingly in a much better shape now we will need to have a chat with supporters to see where we'd like to go. For example we always got a discount for Hospitality, it worked for both the club and ourselves, we got cheap rates - they filled spaces that otherwise would have remained empty, but with our recent success on field those places will now be easy to sell and at a more profitable rate - and that's good. I intend to speak to both members and non-members to discuss where we'd like to go next. I will also be meeting with Steve Hamer in a few weeks time to discuss a few things with him about moving forward.Blimey, the Supporters Club directors have not been seen by Steve Hamer since the takeover, so one up to you Jon if you have already got a date for a "chat". Perhaps they should ask Jon how he managed it? Who has BSS met as he has said himself he has met someone and.discussed issues?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 9:40:25 GMT
Blimey, the Supporters Club directors have not been seen by Steve Hamer since the takeover, so one up to you Jon if you have already got a date for a "chat". Perhaps they should ask Jon how he managed it? Who has BSS met as he has said himself he has met someone and.discussed issues? It's quite easy to speak to Steve Hamer. I've contacted him twice and on both occasions he replied within 24 hours.
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Post by fanatical on Jun 5, 2016 10:03:19 GMT
Perhaps they should ask Jon how he managed it? Who has BSS met as he has said himself he has met someone and.discussed issues? It's quite easy to speak to Steve Hamer. I've contacted him twice and on both occasions he replied within 24 hours. The President's Club representatives met with Steve Hamer and report a very fruitful meeting. Jim Chappell met with Steve Hamer - presumably on behalf of the Supporters Club? - but was Jim impressed? JS has arranged a meeting So why have BSS & KM not been able to meet Steve Hamer - or have they?
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 5, 2016 17:08:36 GMT
Jon has already met with Steve Hamer and Wael Al Qadi, he got both of them to stump up £10 and both are members of the FFSC ! I bet neither of them are members of the supporters club though . Both Steve and Wael make themselves available during the week, reply to e-mails/twitter and particularly Wael on match days to fans around the ground. There is no reason I can think of that Jim, Brian or even Ken couldn't meet with them formally or informally unless they are hiding from them. Perhaps they have met with them but don't want to give us the impression they are getting too cosy with them and giving up their independence.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jun 5, 2016 18:42:59 GMT
Jon has already met with Steve Hamer and Wael Al Qadi, he got both of them to stump up £10 and both are members of the FFSC ! I bet neither of them are members of the supporters club though . Both Steve and Wael make themselves available during the week, reply to e-mails/twitter and particularly Wael on match days to fans around the ground. There is no reason I can think of that Jim, Brian or even Ken couldn't meet with them formally or informally unless they are hiding from them. Perhaps they have met with them but don't want to give us the impression they are getting too cosy with them and giving up their independence. I believe both Steve and Wael joined the BRSC in Feb so they can attend the AGM amongst others things. Both also regularly buy 50/50 tickets. sold by BRSC
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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 5, 2016 19:37:59 GMT
Jon has already met with Steve Hamer and Wael Al Qadi, he got both of them to stump up £10 and both are members of the FFSC ! I bet neither of them are members of the supporters club though . Both Steve and Wael make themselves available during the week, reply to e-mails/twitter and particularly Wael on match days to fans around the ground. There is no reason I can think of that Jim, Brian or even Ken couldn't meet with them formally or informally unless they are hiding from them. Perhaps they have met with them but don't want to give us the impression they are getting too cosy with them and giving up their independence. I believe both Steve and Wael joined the BRSC in Feb so they can attend the AGM amongst others things. Both also regularly buy 50/50 tickets. sold by BRSC
That is good news if that is the case so why hasn't Jim told us if they have Harry or have I missed that announcement and apologise now if I have ? Why put on a show as he did in his jottings to try and put distance between a very hard and loyal working group of supporters and the new owners (by staff's own admission they see and speak to the new owners more often now than they ever did before), do you have any inkling why he would have done that ? As a long time BRSC member it really doesn't make any sense to me.
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