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Post by gaslife on Apr 6, 2016 15:42:42 GMT
I'm expecting either a change in capacity or a change in design to allow a future increase in capacity. But I'm also expecting it to be properly planned so that the potential for failure doesn't have to be hidden behind the smoke screen of confidentiality. Was anybody actually taken in by that nonsense? I don't think we'll need to change the design (externally anyway), as the present plan allows for an increase from 21,700 to 26,000 by installing a second tier. A third tier (which would require another planning application), would take it to 35,000. I can't see us needing that in the near future. I do have fond memories of being in a 33,000+ crowd at Eastville vs Stoke in the 5th round of the league cup, so who knows? I remember that Stoke game. Squeezed in like sardines in the North Enclosure, would be illegal nowadays. Now I'm older I want a nice seat with a good view, don't mind if there are a few empty seats around me either. Build the new stadium as big as feasibly possible I reckon.
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Post by womble on Apr 6, 2016 15:56:29 GMT
I don't think we'll need to change the design (externally anyway), as the present plan allows for an increase from 21,700 to 26,000 by installing a second tier. A third tier (which would require another planning application), would take it to 35,000. I can't see us needing that in the near future. I do have fond memories of being in a 33,000+ crowd at Eastville vs Stoke in the 5th round of the league cup, so who knows? I remember that Stoke game. Squeezed in like sardines in the North Enclosure, would be illegal nowadays. Now I'm older I want a nice seat with a good view, don't mind if there are a few empty seats around me either. Build the new stadium as big as feasibly possible I reckon. That's where I was! When the crowd moved you went with it, like it or not. The Safety at Sports Grounds Act cut the capacity from 39,000 (no idea where the other 6,000 would have fitted) to 12,000. Looking back, it's amazing there weren't more accidents before the change in regulations.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 6, 2016 15:58:29 GMT
I don't think we'll need to change the design (externally anyway), as the present plan allows for an increase from 21,700 to 26,000 by installing a second tier. A third tier (which would require another planning application), would take it to 35,000. I can't see us needing that in the near future. I do have fond memories of being in a 33,000+ crowd at Eastville vs Stoke in the 5th round of the league cup, so who knows? I remember that Stoke game. Squeezed in like sardines in the North Enclosure, would be illegal nowadays. Now I'm older I want a nice seat with a good view, don't mind if there are a few empty seats around me either. Build the new stadium as big as feasibly possible I reckon. I remember it but for all the wrong reasons. My Dad took the older 3 boys but they decided it would be too dangerous to go to that game. Apparently there were fans on the pitch throughout the game. Had some of the 1966 World Cup players too. I was at home, with mama, listening in and angry that I wasn't there
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Post by womble on Apr 6, 2016 16:07:47 GMT
I remember that Stoke game. Squeezed in like sardines in the North Enclosure, would be illegal nowadays. Now I'm older I want a nice seat with a good view, don't mind if there are a few empty seats around me either. Build the new stadium as big as feasibly possible I reckon. I remember it but for all the wrong reasons. My Dad took the older 3 boys but they decided it would be too dangerous to go to that game. Apparently there were fans on the pitch throughout the game. Had some of the 1966 World Cup players too. I was at home, with mama, listening in and angry that I wasn't there My mum took me, only time I saw my hero (non-Rovers) Gordon Banks play. Still annoyed that he saved a Harold Jarman piledriver, that I was convinced was going in the top right corner.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 6, 2016 16:13:44 GMT
I remember it but for all the wrong reasons. My Dad took the older 3 boys but they decided it would be too dangerous to go to that game. Apparently there were fans on the pitch throughout the game. Had some of the 1966 World Cup players too. I was at home, with mama, listening in and angry that I wasn't there My mum took me, only time I saw my hero (non-Rovers) Gordon Banks play. Still annoyed that he saved a Harold Jarman piledriver, that I was convinced was going in the top right corner. It's funny really but reading this has made me realise that I am still pretty upset that I missed that. The other one that REALLY got to me was the away game, at Old Trafford. Once again I was told I was too small and young to go. Of course, I now realise it was more about the older boys and dad having a proper day out and not worrying about a young kid hanging around. The only two of the big games I missed. We always used to go together. George Best penalty saved by Dicky Shep. Another radio night
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Post by womble on Apr 6, 2016 16:14:24 GMT
I don't think we'll need to change the design (externally anyway), as the present plan allows for an increase from 21,700 to 26,000 by installing a second tier. A third tier (which would require another planning application), would take it to 35,000. I can't see us needing that in the near future. I do have fond memories of being in a 33,000+ crowd at Eastville vs Stoke in the 5th round of the league cup, so who knows? My take on the expansion was that a second tier on 3 sides would increase to over 30k, I haven't heard anything about a 3rd? A second tier of 4,300 capacity would be pretty small, no? MK Dons lower tier is pretty close to our new stadium, 22,000. The planning application says around 26,000 with a second tier. The infrastructure is designed to cope with the extra load. The second tier varies from about 6 to 11 rows deep, so not a huge extra capacity. A third tier to take capacity to 35,000, would require the removal and replacement of the roof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 16:51:52 GMT
Isn't it just ! I know we ALL have bad times and sometimes we post on here when going through some very deeply upsetting stuff but I guess I have learned, if only a little, to not let that surface in the way I once would have. I am sorry for this guy to be honest and hope they are ok. Anyway, I agree with the consensus that I would rather have the team do well and allow the dedicated people, employed for the stadium, to deal with it This is the main difference from the previous chairman and board. We now have professional people. whose only job it is is to sort out that side. Steve Hamer is basically letting them do their job and the visit to MK is something we should see as evidence of the levels of research that they are doing. The difference is light and day and there is no comparing the two. One tried to do it all by himself and made a hash of it while the new owner is going about it in a measured but purposeful manner. The art of delegation is a fine art but some are just incapable of ceding the responsibility to others. Nick took a huge gamble, it backfired. We now have owners who won't leave anything to chance and have levels of management to consult. The team is now able to freely do their thing and that must make a huge difference to DC & his planning for next season. That is a top post KP.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Apr 6, 2016 20:14:31 GMT
Isn't it just ! I know we ALL have bad times and sometimes we post on here when going through some very deeply upsetting stuff but I guess I have learned, if only a little, to not let that surface in the way I once would have. I am sorry for this guy to be honest and hope they are ok. Anyway, I agree with the consensus that I would rather have the team do well and allow the dedicated people, employed for the stadium, to deal with it This is the main difference from the previous chairman and board. We now have professional people. whose only job it is is to sort out that side. Steve Hamer is basically letting them do their job and the visit to MK is something we should see as evidence of the levels of research that they are doing. The difference is light and day and there is no comparing the two. One tried to do it all by himself and made a hash of it while the new owner is going about it in a measured but purposeful manner. The art of delegation is a fine art but some are just incapable of ceding the responsibility to others. Nick took a huge gamble, it backfired. We now have owners who won't leave anything to chance and have levels of management to consult. The team is now able to freely do their thing and that must make a huge difference to DC & his planning for next season. That is a top post KP. Thank you kind Sir. Much appreciated
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Apr 7, 2016 5:47:55 GMT
I will be very disappointed if the build doesn't start this year, the new board have been around the club since last autumn I would be surprised if the talks on funding, naming rights etc aren't at a very advanced stage. also, we've got permission for up to 26,500 seat stadium, how much bigger do we need, no additional permission required, this is the trouble with an information vacuum, it leads to educated guessing dressed up as "in the know" from some on here, let's just let the new guys get on with their job and hope to god we don't have any more delays.....
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Post by Igitur on Apr 7, 2016 6:57:42 GMT
Patience.
We would be more patient if, when the new regime took over, the first announcement to build a new stadium was made, but as it is we have had years of nonsense from the previous mob causing frustration and distrust.
As the old saying goes: Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 7, 2016 7:02:20 GMT
Patience. We would be more patient if, when the new regime took over, the first announcement to build a new stadium was made, but as it is we have had years of nonsense from the previous mob causing frustration and distrust. As the old saying goes: Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting. I think you get the impression from Steve Hamer that the new board wanted to push ahead and perhaps make the announcement, but have hit some hurdles with things the old regime had done (or not)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 8:35:52 GMT
Patience. We would be more patient if, when the new regime took over, the first announcement to build a new stadium was made, but as it is we have had years of nonsense from the previous mob causing frustration and distrust. As the old saying goes: Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting. I think you get the impression from Steve Hamer that the new board wanted to push ahead and perhaps make the announcement, but have hit some hurdles with things the old regime had done (or not)
I think that's the impression they're trying to give, yes.
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Post by Lazza on Apr 7, 2016 9:31:34 GMT
"Says when they are in a position to make public any stadium announcement they will" So that's good when he says it but bad when NH said it? That's not all he said. He said he would release information when he knew it was concrete fact. That's far better than having a watertight case or telling us we'd be off to Whaddon Road. Just when I've almost forgotten my planned trip to Whaddon Road to see my new season ticket seats way back then you remind me and my blood pressure has shot up! It's so refreshing to actually now have a chairman I believe when he speaks. I'm loving it!
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Post by mrbluesky on Apr 7, 2016 11:16:59 GMT
I remember it but for all the wrong reasons. My Dad took the older 3 boys but they decided it would be too dangerous to go to that game. Apparently there were fans on the pitch throughout the game. Had some of the 1966 World Cup players too. I was at home, with mama, listening in and angry that I wasn't there My mum took me, only time I saw my hero (non-Rovers) Gordon Banks play. Still annoyed that he saved a Harold Jarman piledriver, that I was convinced was going in the top right corner. i just remember stoke playing off the park and wrapping the game up by half time!!
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Post by gasheadnaboo on Apr 7, 2016 11:47:51 GMT
I don't think we'll need to change the design (externally anyway), as the present plan allows for an increase from 21,700 to 26,000 by installing a second tier. A third tier (which would require another planning application), would take it to 35,000. I can't see us needing that in the near future. I do have fond memories of being in a 33,000+ crowd at Eastville vs Stoke in the 5th round of the league cup, so who knows? My take on the expansion was that a second tier on 3 sides would increase to over 30k, I haven't heard anything about a 3rd? A second tier of 4,300 capacity would be pretty small, no? MK Dons lower tier is pretty close to our new stadium, 22,000. BBC reported their expansion in 2011: MK Dons have confirmed the second phase of their Stadium MK development will be completed by the start of next season.
The work, which will increase the ground's capacity from 22,000 to 32,000, is being funded by a new £56m retail development on the site.
Stadium MK has remained a work in progress since it was opened in 2007.
"It's something we've worked so hard for over the last few years," Dons chairman Pete Winkelman told BBC Three Counties Radio.
"Being able to secure these kinds of deals in this kind of economic climate is a great green light for growth in Milton Keynes."
The League One side have attracted an average attendance of 8,111 this season, with their highest crowd of 10,554 - against S****horpe in October - over 21,000 seats short of the ground's proposed capacity.
But the stadium has showed its potential to attract larger crowds through other events.
"It's not about the capacity for the football in the short term," Winkelman added. "It's about the cultural infrastructure of Milton Keynes.
"We set our stall out that we would go and build a Uefa standard stadium. It's already brought us international games and of course the Saints games last year.
"So it's really about all the things we can do if we get the stadium finished."
The work on the stadium, which is in the Denbigh area of Milton Keynes, will focus on putting seats in the currently unused second tier.
Initial plans for the project included the possibility of adding a third tier and taking the capacity to 45,000.
The retail park, which will be called MK1, will include spaces for four major retailers.So they built a 30,000+ capacity stadium, which they'll never fill, whilst not even owning a training ground. Crap artificial football club.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 12:00:59 GMT
I will be very disappointed if the build doesn't start this year, the new board have been around the club since last autumn I would be surprised if the talks on funding, naming rights etc aren't at a very advanced stage. also, we've got permission for up to 26,500 seat stadium, how much bigger do we need, no additional permission required, this is the trouble with an information vacuum, it leads to educated guessing dressed up as "in the know" from some on here, let's just let the new guys get on with their job and hope to god we don't have any more delays..... This is what I like about this forum, a sense of perspective, over the road in the kids playground called Gaschat the doubts over Steve Hamers credibility have surfaced already by one or two supporters, you couldn't make it up. The new BoD have been in place what 8-10 weeks now? And have since walked in to discover skeletons falling out of several cupboards following a previous ownership that run the FC like a sunday pub team. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if there are further delays, billionaires do not become billionaires by purchasing stadium builds on rented land nor giving away income streams to the land owner. The chairman has made huge strides forward in the past 8 weeks and is a breath of fresh air, Wael has brought in some appointments that Nick Higgs couldn't quite get hold of using his fax machine, all is great IMO and if there is a delay to make sure the stadium looks and feels excellent instead of very good then that is a delay worth waiting for IMO.
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Post by steviegas on Apr 7, 2016 12:20:43 GMT
My take on the expansion was that a second tier on 3 sides would increase to over 30k, I haven't heard anything about a 3rd? A second tier of 4,300 capacity would be pretty small, no? MK Dons lower tier is pretty close to our new stadium, 22,000. BBC reported their expansion in 2011: MK Dons have confirmed the second phase of their Stadium MK development will be completed by the start of next season.
The work, which will increase the ground's capacity from 22,000 to 32,000, is being funded by a new £56m retail development on the site.
Stadium MK has remained a work in progress since it was opened in 2007.
"It's something we've worked so hard for over the last few years," Dons chairman Pete Winkelman told BBC Three Counties Radio.
"Being able to secure these kinds of deals in this kind of economic climate is a great green light for growth in Milton Keynes."
The League One side have attracted an average attendance of 8,111 this season, with their highest crowd of 10,554 - against S****horpe in October - over 21,000 seats short of the ground's proposed capacity.
But the stadium has showed its potential to attract larger crowds through other events.
"It's not about the capacity for the football in the short term," Winkelman added. "It's about the cultural infrastructure of Milton Keynes.
"We set our stall out that we would go and build a Uefa standard stadium. It's already brought us international games and of course the Saints games last year.
"So it's really about all the things we can do if we get the stadium finished."
The work on the stadium, which is in the Denbigh area of Milton Keynes, will focus on putting seats in the currently unused second tier.
Initial plans for the project included the possibility of adding a third tier and taking the capacity to 45,000.
The retail park, which will be called MK1, will include spaces for four major retailers.So they built a 30,000+ capacity stadium, which they'll never fill, whilst not even owning a training ground. Crap artificial football club.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Apr 7, 2016 13:02:02 GMT
I will be very disappointed if the build doesn't start this year, the new board have been around the club since last autumn I would be surprised if the talks on funding, naming rights etc aren't at a very advanced stage. also, we've got permission for up to 26,500 seat stadium, how much bigger do we need, no additional permission required, this is the trouble with an information vacuum, it leads to educated guessing dressed up as "in the know" from some on here, let's just let the new guys get on with their job and hope to god we don't have any more delays..... This is what I like about this forum, a sense of perspective, over the road in the kids playground called Gaschat the doubts over Steve Hamers credibility have surfaced already by one or two supporters, you couldn't make it up. The new BoD have been in place what 8-10 weeks now? And have since walked in to discover skeletons falling out of several cupboards following a previous ownership that run the FC like a sunday pub team. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if there are further delays, billionaires do not become billionaires by purchasing stadium builds on rented land nor giving away income streams to the land owner. The chairman has made huge strides forward in the past 8 weeks and is a breath of fresh air, Wael has brought in some appointments that Nick Higgs couldn't quite get hold of using his fax machine, all is great IMO and if there is a delay to make sure the stadium looks and feels excellent instead of very good then that is a delay worth waiting for IMO.Well said. Before, any delay in the project or continued silence would give credible doubts as to whether a brick would ever be laid. With the current lot, I have little doubt that it is only a matter of time until the building starts, so if they want extra time all the better as far as I'm concerned, as it will show things are being done properly and that anything being done on the cheap by the former board is being ammended/improved.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Apr 7, 2016 13:23:48 GMT
I will be very disappointed if the build doesn't start this year, the new board have been around the club since last autumn I would be surprised if the talks on funding, naming rights etc aren't at a very advanced stage. also, we've got permission for up to 26,500 seat stadium, how much bigger do we need, no additional permission required, this is the trouble with an information vacuum, it leads to educated guessing dressed up as "in the know" from some on here, let's just let the new guys get on with their job and hope to god we don't have any more delays..... This is what I like about this forum, a sense of perspective, over the road in the kids playground called Gaschat the doubts over Steve Hamers credibility have surfaced already by one or two supporters, you couldn't make it up. The new BoD have been in place what 8-10 weeks now? And have since walked in to discover skeletons falling out of several cupboards following a previous ownership that run the FC like a sunday pub team. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if there are further delays, billionaires do not become billionaires by purchasing stadium builds on rented land nor giving away income streams to the land owner. The chairman has made huge strides forward in the past 8 weeks and is a breath of fresh air, Wael has brought in some appointments that Nick Higgs couldn't quite get hold of using his fax machine, all is great IMO and if there is a delay to make sure the stadium looks and feels excellent instead of very good then that is a delay worth waiting for IMO. Care to enlighten us mere mortals by this statement ? or is this just more bulls**t ?
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Post by Gas Since 1957 on Apr 7, 2016 16:44:18 GMT
This is what I like about this forum, a sense of perspective, over the road in the kids playground called Gaschat the doubts over Steve Hamers credibility have surfaced already by one or two supporters, you couldn't make it up. The new BoD have been in place what 8-10 weeks now? And have since walked in to discover skeletons falling out of several cupboards following a previous ownership that run the FC like a sunday pub team. I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if there are further delays, billionaires do not become billionaires by purchasing stadium builds on rented land nor giving away income streams to the land owner. The chairman has made huge strides forward in the past 8 weeks and is a breath of fresh air, Wael has brought in some appointments that Nick Higgs couldn't quite get hold of using his fax machine, all is great IMO and if there is a delay to make sure the stadium looks and feels excellent instead of very good then that is a delay worth waiting for IMO. Care to enlighten us mere mortals by this statement ? or is this just more bulls*** ? I think it is taking a comment from Steve Hamer's latest interview and expanding the meaning of it. He said there were some unexpected issues but I don't think he meant with regard to the new stadium. But remember, it is compulsory to criticise the old board at every opportunity......
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